RE: [anti-spam-wg] Any suggestions about how to deal with non co-operative ISP's and RIR's ?

  • From: Jørgen Hovland jorgen@localhost
  • Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 11:07:51 +0200

> I do believe that only if every responsible organisation on the net 
cooperate on hacking, spam and other abuse issues - we will be able to do 
anything about - otherwise ....


And by spam you mean what you decide is spam, or do you mean that the spam is illegal by law in the country of the ISP and/or the destination country?
Just curious..

Cheers,
j


-----Original Message-----
From: anti-spam-wg-admin@localhost [
] On Behalf Of oca@localhost Sent: 3. april 2007 10:06 Subject: Re: [anti-spam-wg] Any suggestions about how to deal with non co-operative ISP's and RIR's ? Blocking the ISP, in one or another way, is ofcourse a way to deal with spam from a given ISP ... But this is only a short-term ( selfish ) solution and dosn't solve the root for my frustrations - namely that the ISP and the RIR dosn't seem willing to cooperate... Besides this - technically - blocking isn't possible for me ... I'm sitting behind a mail relay belonging to my ISP.. Anyway - I appreciate that I'm not the only one feeling p... off by this matter. I do believe that only if every responsible organisation on the net cooperate on hacking, spam and other abuse issues - we will be able to do anything about - otherwise .... Ole ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter h" peter@localhost Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 7:37 AM Subject: Re: [anti-spam-wg] Any suggestions about how to deal with non co-operative ISP's and RIR's ? On Monday 02 April 2007 08.50, oca@localhost wrote: > Any suggestions about how to deal with non co-operative ISP's and RIR's ? > > When I receive a spam mail, I normally send a spam repport to the "abuse > mail account" of the ISP being responsible for the IP address using the > whois databases of the RIR's. > > Normally this works very fine ... or rather ... I'm often able to deliver > the repport somewhere without any problems. > > But in some cases the given account dosn't exist or is hidden behind a > spamfilter.. > > In these cases I have tried to contact the RIR of the ISP but with very > different outcome ... > > Some RIR's consider this as a problem they can deal with and some dosn't > !!! > > Last week I received a third spam mail from an ip address belonging to > charter.net... > > According to the whois of arin, and to the homepage of the ISP, I should > repport abuse to abuse@localhost... > > This I have tried several times getting an "unable to deliver" repport > every > time ... > > Trying to raise this as an issue for ARIN gives this repply: > > > ARIN is an IP registry whose primary function is the registration and > > distribution of IP number resources (IP addresses and Autonomous System > > Numbers) in North America. > > > > IP number resource registration information can be found in the > > public ARIN WHOIS database found at: > > > > http://www.arin.net/whois/ > > > > Please understand that ARIN does not operate any of the networks > > contained > > in the WHOIS database nor is ARIN responsible for supplying and > > maintaining the registration data in the WHOIS database. That > > responsibility lies soley with the registrant of the data. > > How do we fight spam, and other kind of abuse, as long as some of the > ISP's > and the RIR's has this kind of attitudes ? > > Ole > > The solution is - block them. Either subscribe on a blocklist that fills the need or block the offending ISP's yourself. IP ranges is easily available by "whois" The downside is that _if_ someone is within that ISP's net they are not able to mail you, but a proper "bounce-message" ( "Use gmail or any other serious mailprovider" ) or punch a hole in you block when needed. The only real pressure that can be applied to unserious ISP is to threat their income. Make their customers complain and eventually abandom them. -- Peter Håkanson There's never money to do it right, but always money to do it again ... and again ... and again ... and again. ( Det är billigare att göra rätt. Det är dyrt att laga fel. )