Re: [anti-spam-wg] Steve Linford and Spamhaus Internet Terrorists

Emanuele Balla wrote:


There are DNSBLs with the explicit goal to list dynamic IPs, as well as
others list known spammers machines, and others listing abused machines.

There are so many of them. Some of them you can talk to the maintainers,
others not. Some useable ones even do their jobs automatically.
Some of them are used to fight religious wars only, not to prevent spam.

Which one are you speaking about, if you even know what a DNSBL is?

Having disabled DNSBL on my mailers, yes I know what it is.
That is why I can understand everybody complaining about them.

Seems to me you just speak to hear the sound of your voice.

No, it's just somebody triggered a bomb in me.

Seeing clueless people managing mailers all over the world, I can understand
everybody complaing. The spammers dont complain. The offer you to get
your mail through and they do succeed. Only, I dont have bulkmail. :)

I have seen my personal email bouncing from all kinds of blacklists that
exist and I can tell from most of them why they complain this time and
most of the time I succed convincing them.

There are some targets I never suceed. That is why I am happy to see AOL
sinking. One problem solved.

I have seen my mails delayed by greylists. They did get through finally without
me doing anything.

I have seen the friendly qsecretary from qmail. Another way to stop spams.

There must be something terribly wrong with people implementing blacklists,
especially when they are blocking their own customers.

Most of the trouble comes from the blacklists maintained by religious
people who believe things like "You have a dynamic ip. You must be a spammer",
"You come from outside the US. You must be a spammer", "You dont have an AOL
account. You must be a spammer" or "It's friday. You must be a spammer."

I guess its enough noise now. Fell much better.

Peter and Karin

Peter and Karin Dambier
Cesidian Root - Radice Cesidiana
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D-64646 Heppenheim
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