IPE Meeting: 35
Working Group: LIR
Status: Final
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Draft Minutes LIR WG 35
Schirbe: Paul Tate, RIPE NCC

1. Admin
scribe, participant list, charter, mailinglists

2. Agenda

3. Meet the RIPE NCC hostmasters

4. RIPE 34
minutes, actions

5. Reports from the Registries
Status of the Latin and AFRI NiCs

6. Report from the address council

7. The policy making process

8. Establish final selection procedure for the address council

9. Domain objects in the database

10. PGP authentication

11. WG management

11. AOB
IP address usage

1. Admin
scribe, participant list, charter, mailinglists
Paul Tate from the RIPE NCC was appointed scribe and an
ecstatic response from the audience was observed.

A charter was shown to the attendees defining the LIR and specifying
its role as a policy-making forum. There were no requests to change the
charter from the audience. The chair also encouraged all those in the
audience not just to subscribe to the LIR-WG mailing list, if they
weren’t already, but to actively participate in the discussions.

2. Agenda
No additional points were added to an already rammed agenda.

3. Meet the RIPE NCC hostmasters
An already enthusiastic audience was brought to its knees as the
hostmasters were presented to them.

4. RIPE 34
minutes, actions
The chair, Hans Peter Holen began the meeting in earnest with his
presentation – available in powerpoint format at this URL:

The vast majority of action points from RIPE 34 had already been done
and the remaining few would soon be completed.

5. Reports from the Registries


RIPE NCC was represented by Head of Registration Services, Nurani
Nimpuno. The slides are available in powerpoint format at this URL:

The main points were that the registration services have been busier
than ever. There had been excellent co-operation between the three RIRs
concerning IPv6 requests and this would continue in the future. No
questions were raised from the audience.


ARIN – Richard Jimmerson was here to give us an indication as to how
the American RIR was performing at the moment. Again it was a slide
presentation available in everybody’s favorite format at the following

The main areas of interest to the audience included ARIN’s telephone
support facility, with over 15 000 calls received in 1998. The
forthcoming ARIN meeting will comprise two days of public policy
discussion followed by one day for members only.

A question was raised from the audience regarding the use of old legacy
space, registered in the ARIN database but for the main part, in use in
the RIPE service region. From a telco’s point of view then life would
be much easier if policies were the same amongst all three of the RIRs,
since their networks are often global. The RIPE NCC and ARIN have been
working together of late to make the database transfers easier and in
the future ARIN would make an effort to claim back some of this legacy
space were possible.

Hans Peter Holen indicated that policies for such issues should be the
same amongst the three RIRs. As yet there is no policy stating that
legacy space should be returned but perhaps this is something to aim
for in the future.

Wilfred Woeber pointed out the advantages of exchanging legacy space
for aggregatable space and that the effort of renumbering was

Mirjam Kuehne drew our attention to the current trend which is that
policies between the three RIRs are becoming more in tune with each

Daniel Karrenberg asked about the positive and negative aspects of
accepting telephone calls from interested parties. On the downside it
was noted that about a third of all calls concern domain name requests!
(numerous scowls and grunts were observed at this point)


ICANN Andrew Mclaughlin was here and explained the basic role of ICANN
which was to take over the role of the US Government. There was a brief
explanation as to the history of the organization in that it had taken
over the role of IANA and Jon Postel. The ASO comprises nine members,
three of whom are elected from the RIPE region. At the forthcoming
ICANN meeting in Cairo then there would be a discussion about the
creation of new TLDs.

Status of the Latin and AFRI NiCs

The creation of the other two RIRs – AFRINic and LATINic is underway
and the discussion forum for the latter is somewhere on the web. Coffee
was served as an ailment to recovering livers.

6. Report from the address council

The chair gave his report to the group available as a powerpoint
presentation at the following URL:

7. The policy making process
Hans Peter launched the discussion on the policy making process within
the RIPE community. There were surprisingly few of the attendees who
knew how to make or amend existing policies. The proposal was for a
document to be created to describe the way things are done rather than
have a concrete set of steps.

8. Establish final selection procedure for the address council

8 The selection procedure for nominees to the Address Council is that
everyone present at the RIPE meeting may vote. In future it may be
possible for candidates to be presented on the RIPE website with a
section allowing individuals to add their comments regarding a

9. Domain objects in the database

The number of these is increasing.

10. PGP authentication

A presentation was given from Olaf Kohlman of the RIPE NCC reagarding
the introduction of PGP signatures for mails to hostmaster _at_ ripe _dot_ net the
powerpoint presentation is available here:

11. WG management

Stephen Gurley from uunet asked when the output of the asused tool,
which hostmasters use to check the database entries under an
allocation, would be made available for all. This would be done before
the next RIPE meeting.

The issue of IP addresses for GPRS was also raised. We will shortly see
requests for the GPRS infrastructure (not the telephones themselves!)
The chair urged those involved with these services to come to the RIPE
NCC and to work within the current guidelines. Other possible solutions
to this include:

Acquiring the addresses internally though the LIR affiliated to the
Setting up a new RIR specifically for GPRS services
Using private address space

At this point the RIPE NCC was encouraged to initiate some kind of
discussion forum to see whether those requesting IP addresses for GPRS
services would find it practical to request space through the RIPE NCC.

The final point was made by the chair himself when he explicitly
encouraged everyone to participate in the LIR-WG discussions and asked
for some volunteers to support and help with the workload as and when