Wednesday, 24 May, 09:00 - 10:30 (UTC+2)
Scribe: Gergana Petrova
Chairs: Johan (Julf) Helsingius, Desiree Miloshevic and Achilleas Kemos
Status: Final
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Julf welcomed the attendees. Desiree introduced the agenda.
Benjamin Broersma
The presentation is available at:
https://ripe86.ripe.net/wp-content/uploads/presentations/88-20230524_InternetNL_RIPE_public.pdf
Benjamin Broersma introduced the Dutch Internet Standards Platform which promotes modern Internet standards such as IPv6, DNSSEC, HTTPS, HTTPS security headers, DMARC+DKIM+SPF, STARTTLS+DANE and RPKI. Currently they are working on expanding existing tests, creating an interactive email test, testing for the presence of CA records and RPKI validation in connection tests. Interestingly most companies in the Netherlands score a lot lower than Dutch government sites (65% against 85%).
Peter Koch, DENIC, thanked Benjamin for the presentation. He remarked that with more complex standards and protocols there might be several good options which could develop in different directions. He asked who decides what is correct and how the platform deals with competing schools of thought.
Benjamin acknowledged that Peter had a valid point. He answered that they try to stick to RFC recommendations or advice from the Internet Standardisation Forum in the Netherlands.
Maarten Botterman, ICANN Board, asked when the code, which has already been available for a long time, will be made easier to implement. He also asked which changes would be made.
Benjamin said he expected it to go live at the end of the year. He added that with the Docker set up he could run and patch it without being a developer, but was still waiting to have an easier set up. He mentioned there is also interest from organisations in Spain about it.
Maarten remarked that Internet.nl already offers the opportunity to test, but organisations want to do it locally. He added that there is also interest in organisations in India and Africa.
Niall O’Reilly, Tolerant Networks Ltd,, remarked they use these kinds of dashboards from time to time and are very enthusiastic about them. He mentioned Internet.nl and Zonemaster from AFNIC and IIS. He added that when trying to use them, there is occasionally a gap between the helpful messages that appear on the dashboard and the toolbox resources that might be linked to those messages. He suggested having an information button besides the message pointing to where one needs to look, because finding the toolbox entry can be a greater challenge than setting up the configuration.
Benjamin agreed and added they are trying to improve that. In the technical view they get a lot of questions about content security policy, so now they have a detailed split out of the sub‑test case that is not preferable in the CSP. They also try to link to different toolboxes that are gathered in their GitHub toolbox.
Carsten Schiefner commented that Thomas Fairbank has set up an e‑mail tester suggested that maybe these two efforts could be combined or linked to each other.
Benjamin responded that they recently spoken to him about implementing this on internet.nl but it hasn’t been put into production yet. However, they will probably integrate it or part of the code in the future.
Cooperation Working Group Small Task Team
The presentations are available at:
https://ripe86.ripe.net/wp-content/uploads/presentations/93-2023-05-24_coopwg_rdam_update1.pdf
and at:
https://ripe86.ripe.net/wp-content/uploads/presentations/94-2023-05-24_coopwg_rdam_FNL.pdf
The Cooperation Working Group Small Task Team described their response to the European Commission Consultation on the Future of the Electronic Communications Sector and Its Infrastructure. The team consisted of the following RIPE community members: Patrik Fältström, Netnod, Frode Sørenson - NKOM, Konstantinos Komaitis, Thomas Lohninger, Carsten Schiefner, Alex de Joode, AMS-IX, Christian de Larrinaga and Desiree Miloshevic.
In their response, the team focused on the Section 4 of the questionnaire and reiterated the three important principles: - the principle of net neutrality to ensure that Internet traffic is exchanged between autonomous systems without discrimination at all levels; the principle of network resilience - a diverse set of networks with local provisioning of interconnection help achieve resilience, enabling growth and traffic can route around disturbances); and having an Internet based on Autonomous Networks – each responsible for their own networks, including maintenance, upgrades and finances. Their response highlighted that IAPs/ISPs and content application providers (CAPs) are mutually dependent and questioned the suggestion that there is no fair and proportionate contribution to the “costs of public goods, services and infrastructures”, given there are already working financial incentives and well-established mechanisms for charging for access to the internet. They advised against a mandatory payment mechanism in order to avoid termination monopoly, which would then necessitate regulatory oversight.
Desiree encouraged anyone interested to write to the Cooperation Working Group mailing list.
There were no questions.
Sebastien Bachollet, Chair of EURALO and Natalia Filina, Secretary of EURALO
The presentation is available at:
https://ripe86.ripe.net/wp-content/uploads/presentations/77-RIPE-and-EURALO_Filina-N._24-May-23.pdf
Sebastien Bachollet and Natalia Filina called for deeper collaboration between the RIPE community and EURALO, ICANN’s European Regional At-Large Organisation. The most simple and productive way is to take part in ICANN’s development processes and public comments and broader discussions about Internet governance.
There were no questions.
The chairs closed the session.