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20061002 07:55:35 | kistel@irc | hmmm
20061002 07:56:04 | Kistel@jabber | re
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20061002 11:49:13 | Kate@jabber | Hi, my name is Kate from the RIPE NCC. I will be monitoring this channel during this session. If you have a question or comment, I can read it out. Please make your questions as clear as possible and give your name. I will read out any questions when the speaker asks for questions at the end of his/her presentation.
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20061002 12:00:21 | menno@irc | hi marcoh 
20061002 12:01:11 | marcoh@irc | lo
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20061002 12:12:41 | pheldal@jabber | no webcast? or isn't the session started yet?
20061002 12:13:04 | emma@irc | 10[13:11] jabber: 01(webcastdesk) we are working on it
20061002 12:13:15 | webcastdesk@jabber | yes it is starting we are working on it now
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20061002 12:13:24 | webcastdesk@jabber | we will let you know when it is up
20061002 12:14:39 | Kate@jabber | The session started at 2.03, the questions session has now started
20061002 12:14:48 | menno@irc | it is up
20061002 12:16:39 | webcastdesk@jabber | it should  work now
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20061002 12:25:08 | henku@jabber | Massimo Rimondini started 2 mintues ago
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20061002 12:36:13 | emma-1290@irc | Is there any way to remove the noise from the audio stream? I hear background fuzziness everytime someone speaks, but not when no-one is.
20061002 12:37:11 | pheldal@jabber | emma: I've asked webcastdesk to look into alternative audio and video encoding
20061002 12:37:36 | emma-1290@irc | thanks. it's use-able, your ears filter it out eventually... 
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20061002 12:39:05 | pheldal@jabber | btw, the reason for the noise is that  audio is compressed to only 8kbit.
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20061002 12:51:28 | Kate@jabber | Massimo has finished the presentation and asked for comments so please let me know your question now if you have not done so already.
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20061002 13:59:08 | Susannah@jabber | Hi, this is Susannah from the RIPE NCC and I will be monitoring this channel during this session.
20061002 13:59:37 | Susannah@jabber | If you are participating remotely and have a question or comment, I can read it out.
20061002 14:00:13 | Susannah@jabber | I will read out any questions when the speaker asks for questions at the end of his/her presentation
20061002 14:03:20 | Susannah@jabber | Roland has started his presentation
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20061002 14:38:14 | emma-1290@irc | the mic where Daniel K just spoke is much quieter than Patrick's.
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20061002 14:39:02 | Susannah@jabber | webcastdesk, can you check the volume on the microphone?
20061002 14:39:16 | Susannah@jabber | :)
20061002 14:39:34 | emma-1290@irc | thx!
20061002 14:39:53 | Susannah@jabber | NP
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20061002 14:44:41 | webcastdesk@jabber | i am not on charge of the volume of the micro phone
20061002 14:44:46 | webcastdesk@jabber | i will ask for tomorrow
20061002 14:44:52 | Susannah@jabber | Thanks
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20061002 14:50:38 | emma-1290@irc | oooh he got louder, thank you! 
20061002 14:50:54 | davew@irc | different mic i think?
20061002 14:51:44 | [rvs]@irc | yes
20061002 14:51:52 | webcastdesk@jabber | i can play with the upcoming sound to the webcast but not the the sound of the mic in the room
20061002 14:52:05 | Susannah@jabber | I think he was standing a bit closer this time!
20061002 14:52:52 | mjs@irc | he was also using diffrent microphone
20061002 14:53:08 | Susannah@jabber | yes!
20061002 14:56:09 | Susannah@jabber | The presentation has finished
20061002 14:56:20 | Susannah@jabber | There is now an open mic session
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20061002 15:00:13 | Susannah@jabber | There were no questions and so the session has finished
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20061003 07:01:48 | ROBAllen@jabber | Hi, my name is Rob Allen from the RIPE NCC. I will be monitoring this channel during this session. If you have a question or comment, I can read it out. Please make your questions as clear as possible. I will read out any questions when the speaker asks for questions at the end of his/her presentation.
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20061003 07:08:20 | ROBAllen@jabber | Presentation 1: Steve Gibbard - DNS Infrastructure Distribution (presentation started 09:04)
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20061003 07:16:11 | rickard@irc | I'm getting no audio on the streming, is it just me or are there a problem?
20061003 07:16:21 | [rvs]@irc | apologies for no audio in the webcast, we do our best to fix this so please bear with us.
20061003 07:16:40 | rickard@irc | OK, then I'll stop messing with my setup. :)
20061003 07:17:52 | rickard@irc | Is there a place where I can access presentations like on rosie?
20061003 07:18:23 | rickard@irc | we got audio..
20061003 07:18:48 | [rvs]@irc | yes, it should be fine now
20061003 07:19:48 | Kate@jabber | http://rosie.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-53/presentations/uploads/Tuesday/ 
20061003 07:20:09 | Kate@jabber | todays presnetations should be uploaded onto this during the day
20061003 07:21:10 | rickard@irc | Should rosie be accessable from outside the conference? I'm not there..
20061003 07:21:23 | adrian@jabber | No
20061003 07:21:24 | rickard@irc | I'm not getting a responce.
20061003 07:21:42 | Kate@jabber | it's only avaiable in the meeting venue 
20061003 07:21:43 | adrian@jabber | It is accessible on the RIPE network alone
20061003 07:22:15 | rickard@irc | OK, so there is no way to get hold of them, short of going to the venue. ;-)
20061003 07:22:18 | [rvs]@irc | in that case, please see https://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-53/presentations/uploads/Tuesday/
20061003 07:22:27 | rickard@irc | Yep, that worked. thanks.
20061003 07:23:00 | adrian@jabber | Presentations will be available through our external site over time as PDFs. We upload as soon as possible after a session, but Kate gave you the link to the presentations in their raw formats
20061003 07:23:38 | rickard@irc | That's fine, it's easier to follow if you have the presentation on the screen. Thanks.
20061003 07:24:41 | [rvs]@irc | no problem
20061003 07:27:05 | ROBAllen@jabber | Steve Gibbard has finished his presentation. Please let me know if you have questions.
20061003 07:28:19 | ROBAllen@jabber | Presentation 1: Steve Gibbard - DNS Infrastructure Distribution (Presentation ended: 09:28)
20061003 07:30:12 | ROBAllen@jabber | Presentation 2: Duane Wessels - What is Wrong With the DNS?  (presentation started 09:28)
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20061003 08:09:15 | ROBAllen@jabber | Presentation 2: Duane Wessels - What is Wrong With the DNS?  (presentation ended 10:08)
20061003 08:09:37 | ROBAllen@jabber | Presentation 3: Simon Leinen - NETCONF Next Steps (presentation started 10:09)
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20061003 08:31:01 | ROBAllen@jabber | Simon Leinen has finished his presentation and asked for comments. Please let me know if you have questions.
20061003 08:32:49 | ROBAllen@jabber | Presentation 3: Simon Leinen - NETCONF Next Steps (presentation ended 10:32)

20061003 08:33:16 | ROBAllen@jabber | The 09:00 - 10:30 slot of this morning's Plenary session has ended. The next slot will begin at 11:00.
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20061003 09:04:41 | adrian@jabber | Hi, my name is Adrian from the RIPE NCC. I will be monitoring this channel during this session. If you have a question or comment, I can read it out. Please make your questions as clear as possible. I will read out any questions when the speaker asks for questions at the end of his/her presentation.
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20061003 09:05:41 | adrian@jabber | First presentation has started
20061003 09:06:08 | adrian@jabber | Brazilian Honeypots Alliance - Marcelo HPC Chavez
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20061003 09:28:04 | Djinh@irc | moin
20061003 09:40:29 | adrian@jabber | The presentation has now ended.
20061003 09:46:46 | adrian@jabber | Questions are now over for the first presentation
20061003 09:47:36 | adrian@jabber | Second Presentation now started - Title: PIRT - Phishing Incident Reporting and Termination (PIRT) Squad Presenter: Paul Laudanski
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20061003 09:49:54 | cfriacas@jabber | hand raised! ;-)
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20061003 10:32:17 | cfriacas@jabber | hi
20061003 10:32:34 | adrian@jabber | Questions now over.
20061003 10:32:44 | adrian@jabber | The 11:00 - 12:30 slot of this morning's Plenary session has ended. The next slot will begin at 14:00.
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20061003 10:33:16 | cfriacas@jabber | about banking........ i have installed an ASN plugin on my browser, and i can look at it, to check if the dns->ip translation seems to be going to the correct network
20061003 10:33:21 | cfriacas@jabber | i.e. the bank's network... :-)
20061003 10:33:42 | cfriacas@jabber | just an idea :-)
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20061003 11:56:05 | Kate@jabber | Hi, I'm Kate from the RIPE NCC. I will be monitoring this channel during this session. 
20061003 11:56:17 | Kate@jabber | If you have a question or comment, I can read it out. Please make your questions as clear as possible and give your name. 
20061003 11:56:28 | Kate@jabber | I will read out any questions when the speaker asks for questions at the end of his/her presentation.
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20061003 11:59:51 | Kate@jabber | This session has now started
20061003 12:00:37 | Kate@jabber | Title: IPv6 in Real Life - Deployment of Popular Servers in IPv6 -  Presenters:  Fernando Garcia (Eurocomercial) & Juan Pedro Cerezo (BT Spain) has now started
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20061003 12:20:25 | cfriacas@jabber | .pt does support v6 dns servers on child zones
20061003 12:20:45 | Kate@jabber | The presenter has now finished the presentation and asked for comments. Please let me know your question now if you have not done so already.
20061003 12:20:49 | cfriacas@jabber | one of the 10 perhaps, but i believe there's more...
20061003 12:21:29 | Kate@jabber | would you like this stated? please tell me your name
20061003 12:21:41 | cfriacas@jabber | nope, thanks
20061003 12:21:44 | Kate@jabber | ok
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20061003 12:23:16 | Kate@jabber | This presentation has now ended
20061003 12:23:27 | cfriacas@jabber | carlos friacas, FCCN, portugal : if i understood correctly the presenter said he saw different data from different servers -- did he mean root servers? -- that doesn;t sound right...
20061003 12:23:42 | cfriacas@jabber | oh, im unsynced :-(
20061003 12:23:50 | Kate@jabber | Title: 32-bit ASNs Presenter:Henk Uijterwaal (RIPE NCC) has now started
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20061003 12:29:55 | Kate@jabber | Hi Carlos, Unfortunately the next presenter had started by the time the question came through. However, Juan gave his e-mail address (juan.cerez@bt.com) if you would like to ask the question directly.
20061003 12:35:24 | cfriacas@jabber | thanks
20061003 12:35:55 | cfriacas@jabber | now i've changed to ripe's webcast mms server...
20061003 12:35:56 | cfriacas@jabber | :-)
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20061003 12:45:52 | Kate@jabber | The presenter has now finished the presentation and asked for comments. Please let me know your question now if you have not done so already.
20061003 12:46:06 | dev-null@irc | what about bgp community notation? Now the deal is notating it in X:Y (where X is the higher 16bit part and by convention your AS num). If your ASN is going to be 32bit your community string is fully occupied
20061003 12:46:41 | Kate@jabber | I will present the question
20061003 12:47:22 | Kate@jabber | please tell me your name
20061003 12:47:30 | dev-null@irc | Arne Van Theemsche - be.xs4all
20061003 12:49:37 | cerezojp@jabber | carlos, I will send you a mail with the answer
20061003 12:50:31 | mt6561@irc | is there v6 connectivity? i got only v4 address by dhcp
20061003 12:51:49 | Kate@jabber | Patrick has closed the question queue for this subject
20061003 12:52:14 | mjs@irc | mt6561: there is, at least I'm using it
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20061003 12:53:21 | nick-2128@irc | mt6561: rtsol
20061003 12:53:22 | mt6561@irc | what ip do you have?
20061003 12:55:42 | Kate@jabber | Title: IPv6 Routing Table Presenter: Gert Doering (SpaceNet) has now started
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20061003 13:12:44 | cfriacas@jabber | question for gert (carlos friacas, fccn, portugal): about the "problem" of allocations vs. seen routes... do you think a policy change, enforcing the allocated prefix to show in X months in the routing table could be beneficial??
20061003 13:13:11 | Kate@jabber | I will present the question
20061003 13:14:10 | uijterwaal@jabber | And how do you want to enforce that, Carlos?
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20061003 13:14:53 | cfriacas@jabber | give the block back if its not seen in the RIS?
20061003 13:15:08 | cfriacas@jabber | i'm popping up the question, not defending it should :-)
20061003 13:15:08 | Kate@jabber | The presenter has now finished the presentation and asked for comments. Please let me know your question now if you have not done so already.
20061003 13:17:00 | cfriacas@jabber | fully agree with Gert......
20061003 13:17:49 | dev-null@irc | we have an ipv6 allocation and not announcing them yet through bgp, so ripe doesn't know what we do with this allocation yet
20061003 13:18:05 | cfriacas@jabber | s/everyone/ripe :-)
20061003 13:18:18 | Kate@jabber | Title: PERT - Performance and Enhancement Response Team Presenter: Simon Leinen (Switch) has now started

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20061003 13:19:00 | cfriacas@jabber | dev-null: i would encourage you to announce... 1st step is getting addresses, 2nd step is going visible :-)
20061003 13:22:25 | dev-null@irc | cfriacas... we are planning to announce soon...
20061003 13:22:42 | cfriacas@jabber | good! :-)
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20061003 13:23:18 | dev-null@irc | practical question, are people still using tunnels with native ipv6 addresses
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20061003 13:23:52 | Kate@jabber | Dev-nul: Is this question for the plenary?
20061003 13:23:57 | cfriacas@jabber | they should
20061003 13:24:11 | dev-null@irc | sorry kate..., I'l go private
20061003 13:24:12 | cfriacas@jabber | 3ffe should no longer be used
20061003 13:24:38 | mt6561@irc | I use v6-over-v4 tunnel to announce mt v6 space
20061003 13:24:39 | cfriacas@jabber | the key aspect is not using long-distance tunnel, regardless of the type of addressing ;-)
20061003 13:25:08 | cfriacas@jabber | mt = malta ?
20061003 13:25:35 | dev-null@irc | cfriacas, so we peering through a ipv4 tunnel and exchanging ipv6 traffic (in the 2001::/16) is done often?
20061003 13:26:01 | cfriacas@jabber | yep. no 3ffe should be used from 6/6/2006
20061003 13:26:30 | dev-null@irc | cfriacas, thx... 
20061003 13:26:38 | mt6561@irc | no =) mt is Max Tulyev
20061003 13:26:53 | cfriacas@jabber | oh :-)
20061003 13:26:59 | cfriacas@jabber | hi max
20061003 13:27:23 | mt6561@irc | I have 2a01:d0::/32 and announce it through russia
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20061003 13:28:33 | sn@irc | if somebody responsible for the stream-mirror-network is here, please msg me
20061003 13:29:06 | mt6561@irc | btw, can someone give me v6 connectivity?
20061003 13:29:24 | sn@irc | mt6561: where are you located?
20061003 13:29:29 | mt6561@irc | Kiev, Ukraine
20061003 13:30:01 | mt6561@irc | but there is no native v6 (and as I know, any other v6) here
20061003 13:30:02 | sn@irc | you mean a tunnel, or direct access for a larger network?
20061003 13:30:08 | mt6561@irc | tunnel
20061003 13:30:16 | mt6561@irc | with full-view bgp
20061003 13:30:30 | mt6561@irc | just for experimental purpoces yet
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20061003 13:31:39 | kamran@irc | crikey that took too long
20061003 13:31:40 | mt6561@irc | 195.214.215.216
20061003 13:31:42 | mt6561@irc | ops
20061003 13:32:12 | cfriacas@jabber | max: you do have an internet exchange in kiev, right?
20061003 13:32:38 | mt6561@irc | yes, UA-IX
20061003 13:32:41 | cfriacas@jabber | max: why not start from there with local v6 native peerings?
20061003 13:32:55 | sn@irc | we reach your network via Telia and then Ukrain Telecom
20061003 13:33:04 | sn@irc | I know Telia offers IPv6
20061003 13:33:11 | sn@irc | for production I mean
20061003 13:33:48 | mt6561@irc | there is no v6 other than mine
20061003 13:34:02 | sn@irc | hmm
20061003 13:34:04 | mt6561@irc | Ukrtelecom doesn't offer it
20061003 13:34:17 | sn@irc | you might want to contact a pop near you from http://www.sixxs.net/pops/ maybe
20061003 13:34:38 | mt6561@irc | nice idea ;)
20061003 13:34:40 | sn@irc | they provide (free) tunnels - and could surely also announce a route to your network as well I bet
20061003 13:35:11 | sn@irc | email the project-admins. they respond quick and I bet will handle your request as good as possible
20061003 13:36:10 | mt6561@irc | thank you! it seems that I need!
20061003 13:36:11 | cfriacas@jabber | looking at IX-UA, there's a lot of members...
20061003 13:36:21 | cfriacas@jabber | nobody else interested in the next-generation internet? ;-)
20061003 13:36:34 | mt6561@irc | yes :(
20061003 13:38:27 | cfriacas@jabber | question for simon leinen (carlos, fccn, portugal): can this be a kind of value added service for commercial ISPs in some years time?
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20061003 13:38:59 | Kate@jabber | The presenter has now finished the presentation and asked for comments. Please let me know your question now.     
20061003 13:39:01 | cfriacas@jabber | oopss....
20061003 13:39:04 | Kate@jabber | I will ask
20061003 13:39:06 | cfriacas@jabber | no
20061003 13:39:14 | cfriacas@jabber | he said it already :-)
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20061003 13:41:03 | Kate@jabber | The session has now ended
20061003 13:41:15 | cfriacas@jabber | again suffering from delay...............
20061003 13:41:26 | Kate@jabber | :) 
20061003 13:41:32 | cfriacas@jabber | kate: very funny, you read "from" instead of "for"
20061003 13:41:47 | Kate@jabber | lol 
20061003 13:41:52 | cfriacas@jabber | and in fact he already had said something about it
20061003 13:42:13 | Kate@jabber | As long as your question was answered
20061003 13:42:22 | cfriacas@jabber | :-)
20061003 13:42:25 | Kate@jabber | :)
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20061003 13:42:45 | cfriacas@jabber | it was, even before the question period :-)
20061003 13:43:23 | cfriacas@jabber | but i would have loved to see more opinions from the room.......
20061003 13:43:50 | cfriacas@jabber | i.e. i have some colleagues working on this jointly with Simon and others :-)
20061003 13:44:12 | Kate@jabber | I see
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20061003 13:47:18 | Kate@jabber | Carlos, Rodney Tillotson spoke after me and is involved in providing such things for his customers. He said he is happy for you to contact him about it if you'd like to talk further r.tillotson@ukerna.ac.uk
20061003 13:47:52 | cfriacas@jabber | thanks
20061003 13:48:17 | cfriacas@jabber | but i was aiming at guys from the commercial side ;-)
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20061003 14:01:22 | emma-1290@irc | webcast broken?
20061003 14:02:01 | Susannah@jabber | Hi, this is Susannah from the RIPE NCC and I will be monitoring this room for the session
20061003 14:02:19 | Susannah@jabber | If you are participating remotely and want to ask a question, I can read it out for you
20061003 14:02:39 | emma-1290@irc | Thanks you Susannah - is the webcast meant to be live at the moment?
20061003 14:02:50 | Susannah@jabber | I will read out any questions or comments when the presenter asks for questions
20061003 14:03:11 | Susannah@jabber | Webcastdesk - are there problems with the webcast
20061003 14:03:13 | Susannah@jabber | ?
20061003 14:03:31 | Susannah@jabber | David has started his presentation
20061003 14:04:22 | emma-1290@irc | webcast now works, thanks.
20061003 14:04:33 | Susannah@jabber | emma, is it working for you?
20061003 14:04:44 | emma-1290@irc | yes now thanks.
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20061003 14:46:24 | Susannah@jabber | Joao has asked if anyone has any opnion on the new format
20061003 14:46:38 | Susannah@jabber | or has any suggestions on improvements
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20061004 06:54:06 | Kate@jabber | Hi, my name is Kate from the RIPE NCC. I will be monitoring this channel during this session.
20061004 06:54:24 | Kate@jabber | If you have a question or comment, I can read it out. Please make your questions as clear as possible and give your name. 
20061004 06:54:33 | Kate@jabber | I will read out any questions when the speaker asks for questions at the end of his/her presentation.
20061004 07:00:39 | oatwillie@jabber | morning Kate
20061004 07:01:37 | Kate@jabber | This session has now started
20061004 07:05:22 | Kate@jabber | Title: IPv6 Routing Tutorial Presenter:Iljitsch van Beijnum (Muada) has started
20061004 07:06:32 | Kate@jabber | Morning Oat Willie and others
20061004 07:06:42 | cfriacas@jabber | morning
20061004 07:13:28 | oatwillie@jabber | are the slides online?
20061004 07:15:39 | Kate@jabber | I will check
20061004 07:15:46 | Kate@jabber | Are you in the Meeting venue?
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20061004 07:16:53 | oatwillie@jabber | yes, but am seated in an odd place
20061004 07:17:01 | Kate@jabber | If you are in the meeting venue the slides are available at: http://rosie.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-53/presentations/uploads/Wednesday/
20061004 07:18:49 | willem@jabber | If not at the meeting: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-53/presentations/uploads/Wednesday/
20061004 07:19:05 | Kate@jabber | Thanks Willem
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20061004 07:26:03 | dev-null@irc | to the remote participants, is that 1280 MTU explination, the minimum or the maxium mtu of ipv6?
20061004 07:27:32 | davew-1213@irc | 1280 is the minimum mtu
20061004 07:28:16 | dev-null@irc | why did he spend so much time on that.. I don't think so much networks have a mtu of 1280 or less
20061004 07:28:35 | dev-null@irc | nevertheless good explination of fragmentation
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20061004 07:35:20 | willem@jabber | Hi rvs
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20061004 07:36:19 | [rvs]@irc | re
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20061004 07:53:02 | cfriacas@jabber | message to iljitsch:
20061004 07:53:11 | cfriacas@jabber | already ran IS-IS on junipers
20061004 07:53:23 | cfriacas@jabber | worked fine... but now using OSPFv3 :-)
20061004 07:53:35 | cfriacas@jabber | instead!
20061004 07:54:05 | Kate@jabber | Carlos: Would you like me to make this comment at the end of the presentation?
20061004 07:54:37 | cfriacas@jabber | i have to go away... you can transmit the comment at the end, yes
20061004 07:54:46 | Kate@jabber | ok will do
20061004 07:54:52 | cfriacas@jabber | (carlos friacas, FCCN, portugal, FCCN is the portuguese NREN)
20061004 07:54:55 | Kate@jabber | thx
20061004 07:55:03 | cfriacas@jabber | national research and education network :-)
20061004 07:55:29 | cfriacas@jabber | its just a very minor comment, but i saw a slide where he said he didn't tested it yet :-)
20061004 07:55:36 | Kate@jabber | Is that info for me or iljitsch?!
20061004 07:55:49 | Kate@jabber | i see
20061004 07:56:11 | cfriacas@jabber | for who may care :-)
20061004 07:56:48 | Kate@jabber | ok!
20061004 07:57:25 | cfriacas@jabber | i've already did the same exercise iljitsch is doing, for a smaller audience and with a lot less detail
20061004 07:58:15 | cfriacas@jabber | i know the majority of attendees may not be very interested, but this would have more impact if not being done at 9:00 CET... ;-)
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20061004 07:59:28 | cfriacas@jabber | kate: when you are able to transmit my comment at the end, please also transmit my congratulations to iljitsch for such an excellent talk!
20061004 07:59:33 | cfriacas@jabber | have to run now...
20061004 07:59:36 | Kate@jabber | ok
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20061004 08:26:05 | Kate@jabber | The presenter has now finished the presentation and asked for comments. Please let me know your question now if you have not done so already.
20061004 08:26:21 | dev-null@irc | kate, can you present following question: Are providers allow to announce a 2002::/x prefix (greater than /16 offcourse) for their own customer to make sure that 6to4 traffic for their customers gets there by the shortest path (the provider would have to have an own 6to4 gateway offcourse)
20061004 08:27:45 | dev-null@irc | also my appreciation for the excellent talk
20061004 08:27:47 | Kate@jabber | ok will do
20061004 08:27:59 | Kate@jabber | sorry, your name again?
20061004 08:28:05 | dev-null@irc | arne van theemsche, be-xs4all
20061004 08:28:09 | Kate@jabber | thx
20061004 08:28:59 | ScottM-3265@irc | Euhh, not xs4all.  ;-)
20061004 08:29:29 | dev-null@irc | we're still known an xs4all to ripe :(
20061004 08:29:37 | dev-null@irc | not my fault ;)
20061004 08:29:43 | dev-null@irc | s/an/as/
20061004 08:29:52 | ScottM-3265@irc | Heh.  Bribe them with .be beer.
20061004 08:30:15 | dev-null@irc | that something that allways works
20061004 08:30:26 | berni@irc | dev-null: that is not supposed to happen, as it copies crap from the IPv4 routing table to IPv6
20061004 08:30:26 | dev-null@irc | s/heineken/jupiler/
20061004 08:31:09 | Kate@jabber | would you still like to present the question arne?
20061004 08:31:26 | dev-null@irc | kate no, if we can discuss this here
20061004 08:31:31 | Kate@jabber | ok
20061004 08:33:00 | dev-null@irc | berni, can you explain how this would happen... 6to4 looks like an important transition, and we wouldn't like such traffic to hop around the inet inefficiently
20061004 08:33:45 | Kate@jabber | This session has now finished
20061004 08:34:04 | berni@irc | dev-null: 6to4 is an intermediate solution anyway ... just imagine what happens when the 190k prefixes in IPv4 get their acompaning 2002-prefix in the IPv6 routing table
20061004 08:34:47 | dev-null@irc | then I would buy juniper shares
20061004 08:35:16 | berni@irc | see RFC3056 section 5.2
20061004 08:35:35 | dev-null@irc | ok, it was just a thought
20061004 08:38:55 | dev-null@irc | indeed, it's against the rfc, thanks
20061004 08:40:06 | dev-null@irc | oh scottm, you're the next talker ;)
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20061004 08:43:54 | ScottM-3265@irc | Not the next, but the next after next.
20061004 08:44:41 | ScottM-3265@irc | And I have the hard limit of time for lunch, will know I've gone on too long if the room empties for that.
20061004 08:47:32 | dev-null@irc | the benefit is, if people start running, blame it on lunch hour ;)
20061004 08:48:23 | ScottM-3265@irc | Yes, and if they are yawning, it is due to being hungover from last night's party.  I win either way.
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20061004 08:59:26 | Susannah@jabber | Hi this is Susannah from the RIPE NCC and I will be monitoring this room for this session.
20061004 08:59:46 | Susannah@jabber | If you are participating remotely and have a question, I can read it out for you.
20061004 09:00:14 | Susannah@jabber | I'll read out any questions or comments when the presenter asks for questions at the end of his/her presentation.
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20061004 09:03:24 | Susannah@jabber | The session has started
20061004 09:03:32 | Susannah@jabber | Geoff has started his presentation
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20061004 09:15:28 | mdavripe@irc | no more power at the tables in the grand ballroom?
20061004 09:15:55 | CrazyFrenchMan@jabber | wi
20061004 09:15:57 | ScottM-3265@irc | There is power on the left side of the room.
20061004 09:16:01 | CrazyFrenchMan@jabber | we are looking at it
20061004 09:16:08 | mdavripe@irc | i am in the right, ah okee thanks
20061004 09:16:12 | CrazyFrenchMan@jabber | someone is on its way
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20061004 09:17:47 | [rvs]@irc | hotel tech support is being paged now
20061004 09:17:54 | CrazyFrenchMan@jabber | yeap 
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20061004 09:21:25 | keith_nm@jabber | The power on the rear right-hand side of the room seems wobbly - is anyone fiddling with it ?
20061004 09:21:58 | CrazyFrenchMan@jabber | we have page the hotel tech ppl to have a look at it 
20061004 09:22:08 | CrazyFrenchMan@jabber | we will let you know when the problem will be solve
20061004 09:22:19 | keith_nm@jabber | Thanks !
20061004 09:22:30 | CrazyFrenchMan@jabber | yw :)
20061004 09:42:20 | Susannah@jabber | Geoff has asked for questions
20061004 09:45:09 | CrazyFrenchMan@jabber | The power outage in the GBR seems to come from a laptop, we have try to place back the power but it switch back to no power. 
20061004 09:46:45 | dev-null@irc | hope it isn't a dell battery ;)
20061004 09:46:50 | CrazyFrenchMan@jabber | hehehe ;)
20061004 09:48:05 | Jelte@irc | ICE-9
20061004 09:48:59 | weiler@jabber | or ibm.
20061004 09:49:03 | weiler@jabber | or apple.
20061004 09:53:15 | Susannah@jabber | Question and answer session has finished 
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20061004 10:09:03 | becha-ripe-mtg@jabber | power cut: let's unplug our laptop-power-supply now, to help hotel staff to recover the power? 
20061004 10:09:28 | becha-ripe-mtg@jabber | and ask your neighbour to do the same, maybe they are not on the irc/jabber?
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20061004 10:12:50 | Kate@jabber | Is this down the right side of the room only?
20061004 10:13:16 | Susannah@jabber | I'm at the front of the middle section and there are no problems here
20061004 10:13:47 | Kate@jabber | Becha - who is it you'd like to unplug their laptops?
20061004 10:13:50 | Antoin@irc | right side, yes, no power
20061004 10:15:08 | Jelte@irc | middle in the back is out too
20061004 10:15:17 | Jelte@irc | or was, i'm unplugged now :p
20061004 10:15:59 | [rvs]@irc | all affected attendees are advised to check their laptop power brick after the session
20061004 10:16:23 | Kate@jabber | The session should finish in 14 mins perhaps it can be fixed after then?
20061004 10:16:24 | becha-ripe-mtg@jabber | Kate: Middle row, mid-table does not have power. 
20061004 10:16:32 | Kate@jabber | I see
20061004 10:16:53 | Jelte@irc | i'd announce this on the mic after the talk
20061004 10:18:03 | Susannah@jabber | I will ask gert
20061004 10:18:03 | Jelte@irc | how do we check, plug it in somewhere else and see if that starts to burn too? :)
20061004 10:18:54 | todd@irc | left hand side has power
20061004 10:19:01 | Susannah@jabber | Gert will ask people to unplug when he gets back
20061004 10:19:12 | [rvs]@irc | thnx
20061004 10:19:13 | Susannah@jabber | ...or is it fixed now?
20061004 10:19:30 | Antoin@irc | no
20061004 10:19:35 | Susannah@jabber | ok
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20061004 10:20:07 | Susannah@jabber | was confused with left and right!
20061004 10:20:24 | leo@jabber | I can arrange a class on left and right if you'd like
20061004 10:20:50 | Susannah@jabber | thanks, people have tried to teach me before but to no avail...
20061004 10:20:53 | Jelte@irc | that's easy: left is where your thumb is on the right
20061004 10:21:03 | Susannah@jabber | :)
20061004 10:24:08 | Jelte@irc | so the broken brick is still connected (if that's the problem)?
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20061004 10:24:50 | keith_nm@jabber | Maybe unplug each power strip one at a time ?
20061004 10:24:53 | Susannah@jabber | Are tehre any questions?
20061004 10:25:02 | Susannah@jabber | *there
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20061004 10:28:38 | Jelte@irc | unplugging one at a time is not efficient if they have to try to bring the power back all the time
20061004 10:28:50 | keith_nm@jabber | power is back !-)
20061004 10:28:53 | Susannah@jabber | This session has now ended
20061004 10:28:55 | Jelte@irc | better approach would be to get the power back, then replug one at a time :)
20061004 10:29:26 | Jelte@irc | 2% battery left
20061004 10:30:30 | Jelte@irc | nice work
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20061004 11:59:25 | kistel@irc | back right part lost power again
20061004 11:59:32 | kistel@irc | in GBR
20061004 12:00:14 | mjs@irc | same here in front right
20061004 12:03:29 | kistel@irc | power's back
20061004 12:03:35 | CrazyFrenchMan@jabber | ok thxs 
20061004 12:05:43 | becha-ripe-mtg@jabber | (those interested in the Routing-WG , please move to the channel "routing". thanks! Vesna, RIPE NCC, jabber monitor)
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20061004 13:30:47 | cfriacas@jabber | the microphone needs a little tweak...
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20061005 06:56:00 | uijterwaal@jabber | Good morning all, this is Henk from the RIPE NCC, I'll be monitoring this channel this session, if you have questions, I'll read them out for you during the Q&A
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20061005 07:01:53 | uijterwaal@jabber | Good morning all, this is Henk from the RIPE NCC, I'll be monitoring this channel this session, if you have questions, I'll read them out for you during the Q&A
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20061005 07:02:16 | uijterwaal@jabber | Paul calls the meeting to order 
20061005 07:03:07 | uijterwaal@jabber | Axel starts with the NRO report
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20061005 07:10:34 | uijterwaal@jabber | Axel reminds everybody to register for the GM
20061005 07:10:38 | uijterwaal@jabber | Floor is open for questions
20061005 07:10:54 | uijterwaal@jabber | And closed again. Next is Leo with the NRO stats
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20061005 07:16:14 | uijterwaal@jabber | Floor opened for questions
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20061005 07:16:51 | uijterwaal@jabber | and closed again
20061005 07:17:04 | uijterwaal@jabber | Next up is Filiz Yilmaz, on PDP
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20061005 07:29:20 | pheldal@jabber | Henk: are RIPE staff still being "discouraged" from taking part in policy discussions? If so, do you plan to submit anonymized "staff comments" on policy proposals similar to those ARIN submit to their policy mailinglist on behalf of their staff?
20061005 07:30:26 | uijterwaal@jabber | I'm not sure, let me check with an expert...
20061005 07:33:06 | pheldal@jabber | Example from ARIN: http://lists.arin.net/pipermail/ppml/2006-October/005720.html
20061005 07:33:45 | uijterwaal@jabber | Questions for Filiz
20061005 07:34:00 | uijterwaal@jabber | No questions, next is Andrea Cima, on PI assignments
20061005 07:36:43 | uijterwaal@jabber | Pheldal: Staff are encouraged to provide useful contributions to RIPE policy 
discussions. Formal staff evaluations on all policy proposals have 
not been requested before, but we can look at providing them if 
requested.

20061005 07:36:52 | uijterwaal@jabber | This is from Leo.
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20061005 07:41:54 | uijterwaal@jabber | End of presentation, floor open for q&a, no questions
20061005 07:42:08 | uijterwaal@jabber | We now move to the other RIRs, Adiel is first
20061005 07:51:45 | uijterwaal@jabber | Questions for Adiel
20061005 07:52:28 | uijterwaal@jabber | No, moving on to Son Tran of APNIC
20061005 07:58:56 | uijterwaal@jabber | End of talk, no questions, next is Richard/ARIN
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20061005 08:04:56 | uijterwaal@jabber | Questions for Richard?
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20061005 08:05:15 | uijterwaal@jabber | LACNIC is next
20061005 08:12:32 | uijterwaal@jabber | End of talk, next up is IANA
20061005 08:12:40 | uijterwaal@jabber | John Crain speaking
20061005 08:16:58 | uijterwaal@jabber | Questions for John?
20061005 08:18:07 | uijterwaal@jabber | ASO comes up next
20061005 08:21:27 | uijterwaal@jabber | End of talk, no questions
20061005 08:21:58 | uijterwaal@jabber | Now we are going to the NRO AC elections
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20061006 08:48:55 | evilmark@irc | where did these green ripe tshirts come from, and why dont i have one :(
20061006 08:49:11 | leo@jabber | Green shirts?
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20061006 08:49:22 | evilmark@irc | they look greenish
20061006 08:49:30 | evilmark@irc | with a white panel on the back
20061006 08:49:35 | evilmark@irc | with stats in or something
20061006 08:49:45 | leo@jabber | Dunno. Not seen 'em myself
20061006 08:50:06 | evilmark@irc | i see 3 in here at least
20061006 08:50:10 | evilmark@irc | like, on people
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20061006 08:50:30 | kistel@irc | you could grab them yesterday, methinks
20061006 08:50:55 | leo@jabber | Oh, well if we're giving away new shirts then Camilla will know the details
20061006 08:51:27 | kistel@irc | we ran out of them afaik
20061006 08:53:15 | evilmark@irc | oh :(
20061006 08:54:17 | kistel@irc | they were quite popular, dunno why :-)
20061006 08:57:21 | evilmark@irc | to deny me :(
20061006 08:57:36 | evilmark@irc | this is better suited to #hallway though, so i'll shift
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20061006 09:00:27 | Susannah@jabber | Hi this is Susannah from the RIPE NCC and I will be monitoring this room for this session.
20061006 09:00:44 | Susannah@jabber | If you are participating remotely and want to ask a question, I can read it out for you. 
20061006 09:01:13 | Susannah@jabber | I will read out any questions and comments when the presenter asks for questions. 
20061006 09:06:04 | Susannah@jabber | The final plenary session has started.
20061006 09:10:27 | Susannah@jabber | Shane's presentation has started - he does not have any slides.
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20061006 09:29:43 | Susannah@jabber | Are there any questions for Shane?
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20061006 09:33:07 | Kate@jabber | Shane's presentation PDF is available at: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-53/presentations/uploads/Friday/
20061006 09:36:57 | Susannah@jabber | Shane's presentation has finished.
20061006 09:37:54 | Susannah@jabber | Herbert's presentation has started.
20061006 09:39:22 | iljitsch@jabber | For some extra info on DHCPv6, see http://www.cisco.com/web/about/ac123/ac147/archived_issues/ipj_9-3/ipv6_internals.html Unfortunately I had to cut all the examples but believe me, prefix delegation is really cool.
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20061006 09:41:05 | cybes@irc | 'lo
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20061006 10:07:51 | Susannah@jabber | Are there any questions for Herbert?
20061006 10:09:10 | Susannah@jabber | Herbert's presentation has finished.
20061006 10:09:57 | Susannah@jabber | Cagri has started his presentation.
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20061006 10:15:51 | Susannah@jabber | Are there any questions for Cagri?
20061006 10:16:31 | Susannah@jabber | Cagri has finished his presentation
20061006 10:17:52 | Susannah@jabber | The Secret Working Group presentation has started. 
20061006 10:18:58 | leo@jabber | Ssssshhhh. It's secret
20061006 10:19:16 | menno@irc | ;)
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20061006 12:29:35 | menno@irc | me &