From henk at ripe.net Tue Oct 10 15:37:54 2000 From: henk at ripe.net (Henk Uijterwaal (RIPE-NCC)) Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:37:54 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Final drafts of RIPE-209 and RIPE-214 Message-ID: Dear all, I have put the (hopefully) final drafts of RIPE-209 and RIPE-214, in various formats, on the test-traffic website http://www.ripe.net/test-traffic/ or http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/mem-services/ttm/#docs * RIPE-209, "Providing Test Traffic Measurements as a membership service". This document describes the model the RIPE-NCC will use for selling the test-boxes and the related service for operating them. It also describes the services based on the data. This document has been discussed in the tt-wg and plenary sessions of the last few RIPE meetings. * RIPE-214, "General Terms to the RIPE-NCC Test Traffic Measurements and Test-Box Purchase Agreement". This document contains the contract used to sell the test-boxes and the related service for operating them. It is the translation into "legally correct" English of RIPE-209. If you have any last minute comments on these documents, please let me know before the end of the week (13/10/00, 8:00 UTC). Two other documents are currently being prepared: * RIPE-215: An update of the installation manual for the test-boxes (currently document RIPE-168). * A 2 page glossy summary of RIPE-209, describing the advantages of hosting a test-box for your manager. Today, I also received the last cable necessary for the next series of 25 test-boxes. As soon as we have tested this, we will make an announcement on how you can order one or more of those boxes. Kind regards, Henk Uijterwaal ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal at ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre WWW: http://www.ripe.net/home/henk Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.535-4414, Fax -4445 1016 AB Amsterdam Home: +31.20.4195305 The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ A man can take a train and never reach his destination. (Kerouac, well before RFC2780). From henk at ripe.net Wed Oct 11 09:58:54 2000 From: henk at ripe.net (Henk Uijterwaal (RIPE-NCC)) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:58:54 +0200 (CEST) Subject: New Antennas In-Reply-To: <39E35199.8747E457@noc.ntua.gr> Message-ID: Hi Dimitrios, > Recently I met Daniel At the Ternea meeting and informed of a mew type > of Antenna which is linked to the internal board via a UTP cat 5 > cable? That is correct: for the new boxes, we moved the RF-receiver into the antenna, so that only low frequency signals have to be sent to the test-box. This can easily be done with RS-422 and 100's of meters of regular CAT5 cable. > In that way the cable length problems I am running into can be removed. > Do you have any plans for those new antennas for beta testing ? Yes, we plan to upgrade the sites with antenna problems to the new hardware. I only received the last cables needed for the upgrade yesterday and there are still a few details to be sorted out, but we should be able to announce more details in a few days to a week. Henk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal at ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre WWW: http://www.ripe.net/home/henk Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.535-4414, Fax -4445 1016 AB Amsterdam Home: +31.20.4195305 The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ A man can take a train and never reach his destination. (Kerouac, well before RFC2780). From henk at ripe.net Wed Oct 11 11:25:23 2000 From: henk at ripe.net (Henk Uijterwaal (RIPE-NCC)) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:25:23 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Mail delivery problems. Message-ID: Hi TT-hosts, We experienced some mail delivery problems with the tt-ops at ripe.net address between yesterday Oct 10 +/- 20.00 UTC and this morning +/- 10.00 UTC. If you sent anything to this address during that time and we don't seem to take any action, please resend it. Sorry for the inconvenience, Henk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal at ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre WWW: http://www.ripe.net/home/henk Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.535-4414, Fax -4445 1016 AB Amsterdam Home: +31.20.4195305 The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ A man can take a train and never reach his destination. (Kerouac, well before RFC2780). From ncc at ripe.net Tue Oct 17 17:14:20 2000 From: ncc at ripe.net (RIPE NCC Document Announcement Service) Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:14:20 +0200 Subject: New Document available: RIPE-209 Message-ID: <200010171514.RAA25973@birch.ripe.net> New/Revised RIPE Document Announcement -------------------------------------- Two new documents are available from the RIPE document store. Short content description ------------------------- * RIPE-209, "Providing Test Traffic Measurements as a membership service". This document describes the model the RIPE-NCC will use for selling the test-boxes and the related service for operating them. It also describes the services based on the data. This document has been discussed in the tt-wg and plenary sessions of the last few RIPE meetings. * RIPE-214, "General Terms to the RIPE-NCC Test Traffic Measurements and Test-Box Purchase Agreement". This document contains the contract used to sell the test-boxes and the related service for operating them. It is the translation into "legally correct" English of RIPE-209. Accessing the RIPE document store --------------------------------- The RIPE document store is available via anonymous FTP to ftp.ripe.net, in the directory ripe/docs. The URLs for the new documents on the FTP-server are: ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-209.ps PostScript version ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-209.txt plain text version ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-214.ps PostScript version ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-214.txt plain text version You can also access the RIPE documents in HTML format via WWW. RIPE-209 and RIPE-214 are not available from the WWW at this moment, but will be soon, at the following URL: http://www.ripe.net/docs/ripe-209.html http://www.ripe.net/docs/ripe-214.html From henk at ripe.net Fri Oct 20 15:17:10 2000 From: henk at ripe.net (Henk Uijterwaal (RIPE-NCC)) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 15:17:10 +0200 (CEST) Subject: RIPE NCC Test-boxes and Test Traffic Measurements Service Message-ID: Dear colleagues, (Apologies for any duplicate mails). The New Projects group at the RIPE NCC is pleased to announce that 25 new test-boxes have been delivered, tested and are ready to be installed at your site. More test-boxes will be assemble as soon as these 25 machines have been shipped. These test-boxes measure delays and losses on the Internet by sending time-stamped packets to each other. A more detailed description is available in RIPE document 209 (see below). At this moment, we are also moving the Test Traffic Measurements from an experimental product to a regular membership service offered by the RIPE NCC. Under this service, the RIPE NCC will operate the test-box and analyze the measurement data for you. With the introduction of this service, 2 restrictions will be removed: * The TTM service will be available to everybody interested, not just the current LIR members, * Any organization can apply for more than 1 test-box, and, for example, install a box at every major PoP. Another change is that you will have to pay for the hardware of the boxes. A test-box currently costs 2750 Euro. This includes the installation costs, but does not include shipping, taxes and import/export duties. The RIPE NCC has been asked to introduce a service fee (of approximately 3000 Euro/Year) for the operation of the boxes. However, for tax-reasons, it is currently not possible to do this. Therefore: * There will be NO service fee for the remainder of 2000 and the first months of 2001. For those of you familiar with the project, it is worth noticing that the hardware of the boxes has been improved. The most important change is in the design of the antenna. In the new machines, the HF-unit has been moved to the antenna, thus eliminating the need for expensive coax cable between the antenna and the test-box itself. Instead, regular CAT-5 cable can be used and cable lengths of (at least) 200 to 300 meters are possible. Also, the boxes have more CPU and memory available and this feature will be exploited in the future do other measurements and analyze the data on the box, thus reducing the time between data-taking and availability of the results. In short, this means: * Easier installation * More freedom in installing the antennas. If you are interested in hosting a test-box, please start by reading the following documents, all available from the test-traffic web-site at http://www.ripe.net/test-traffic/: * RIPE-209, "Providing Test Traffic Measurements as a membership service". This document describes the model the RIPE-NCC will use for selling the test-boxes and the related service for operating them. * RIPE-214, "General Terms to the RIPE-NCC Test Traffic Measurements and Test-Box Purchase Agreement". This document contains the contract used to sell the test-boxes. It is the translation of RIPE-209 into "legalise". * RIPE-168 (Version 2.1 or later). This is the installation guide for the test-boxes. The current document is somewhat outdated, in particular the section on the antenna installation. An update will be published early November. A document that is presently being written is a "2 page glossy summary" of RIPE-209, describing the advantages of hosting a test-box for your manager. If you are interested in hosting one or more test-boxes, please fill out the application sheet at http://www.ripe.net/test-traffic/Host_testbox. If anything is unclear or you have questions that are not answered in the documents, do not hesitate to contact us. The application procedure has become a little more complex than before, but still shouldn't take much more than a few minutes to complete. Sites that have already expressed interest in hosting a box will be contacted in a separate mail. As announced before, we will give the existing test-box hosts a possibility to upgrade your hardware. This will announced, when we are ready to do this, in a separate mail. There is no deadline for applying. Applications will be processed in the order as they come in and processed as soon as our production schedule permits. If you have any questions about this project, please do not hesitate to contact me. Kind regards, Henk Uijterwaal ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal at ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre WWW: http://www.ripe.net/home/henk Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.535-4414, Fax -4445 1016 AB Amsterdam Home: +31.20.4195305 The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ A man can take a train and never reach his destination. (Kerouac, well before RFC2780). From henk at ripe.net Fri Oct 20 15:18:59 2000 From: henk at ripe.net (Henk Uijterwaal (RIPE-NCC)) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 15:18:59 +0200 (CEST) Subject: RIPE NCC Test-boxes and Test Traffic Measurements Service (fwd) Message-ID: Dear colleagues, (Apologies for any duplicate mails) The New Projects group at the NCC is pleased to announce that 25 new test-boxes have been delivered, tested and are ready to be installed at sites interested in hosting a test-box. This email is being sent to you because you (or your organization) expressed interested in hosting a test-box before. If you are no longer interested, please ignore this mail and sorry for spamming your mailbox. If you are still interested, please read the attached mail (sent earlier today to the RIPE-list) describing the changes in the way this service is set up, then go to: http://www.ripe.net/test-traffic/Host_testbox and fill out the application sheet in order to confirm your interest. Note that you have to fill out this form, as the procedure for hosting a box has been slightly modified. There is no deadline for applying. Applications will be processed in the order as they come in and processed as soon as our production schedule permits. If you have any further questions about this project, please do not hesitate to contact me. Kind regards, Henk Uijterwaal --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 15:17:10 +0200 (CEST) From: "Henk Uijterwaal (RIPE-NCC)" To: tt-host at ripe.net, tt-wg at ripe.net, ripe-list at ripe.net Subject: RIPE NCC Test-boxes and Test Traffic Measurements Service Dear colleagues, (Apologies for any duplicate mails). The New Projects group at the RIPE NCC is pleased to announce that 25 new test-boxes have been delivered, tested and are ready to be installed at your site. More test-boxes will be assemble as soon as these 25 machines have been shipped. These test-boxes measure delays and losses on the Internet by sending time-stamped packets to each other. A more detailed description is available in RIPE document 209 (see below). At this moment, we are also moving the Test Traffic Measurements from an experimental product to a regular membership service offered by the RIPE NCC. Under this service, the RIPE NCC will operate the test-box and analyze the measurement data for you. With the introduction of this service, 2 restrictions will be removed: * The TTM service will be available to everybody interested, not just the current LIR members, * Any organization can apply for more than 1 test-box, and, for example, install a box at every major PoP. Another change is that you will have to pay for the hardware of the boxes. A test-box currently costs 2750 Euro. This includes the installation costs, but does not include shipping, taxes and import/export duties. The RIPE NCC has been asked to introduce a service fee (of approximately 3000 Euro/Year) for the operation of the boxes. However, for tax-reasons, it is currently not possible to do this. Therefore: * There will be NO service fee for the remainder of 2000 and the first months of 2001. For those of you familiar with the project, it is worth noticing that the hardware of the boxes has been improved. The most important change is in the design of the antenna. In the new machines, the HF-unit has been moved to the antenna, thus eliminating the need for expensive coax cable between the antenna and the test-box itself. Instead, regular CAT-5 cable can be used and cable lengths of (at least) 200 to 300 meters are possible. Also, the boxes have more CPU and memory available and this feature will be exploited in the future do other measurements and analyze the data on the box, thus reducing the time between data-taking and availability of the results. In short, this means: * Easier installation * More freedom in installing the antennas. If you are interested in hosting a test-box, please start by reading the following documents, all available from the test-traffic web-site at http://www.ripe.net/test-traffic/: * RIPE-209, "Providing Test Traffic Measurements as a membership service". This document describes the model the RIPE-NCC will use for selling the test-boxes and the related service for operating them. * RIPE-214, "General Terms to the RIPE-NCC Test Traffic Measurements and Test-Box Purchase Agreement". This document contains the contract used to sell the test-boxes. It is the translation of RIPE-209 into "legalise". * RIPE-168 (Version 2.1 or later). This is the installation guide for the test-boxes. The current document is somewhat outdated, in particular the section on the antenna installation. An update will be published early November. A document that is presently being written is a "2 page glossy summary" of RIPE-209, describing the advantages of hosting a test-box for your manager. If you are interested in hosting one or more test-boxes, please fill out the application sheet at http://www.ripe.net/test-traffic/Host_testbox. If anything is unclear or you have questions that are not answered in the documents, do not hesitate to contact us. The application procedure has become a little more complex than before, but still shouldn't take much more than a few minutes to complete. Sites that have already expressed interest in hosting a box will be contacted in a separate mail. As announced before, we will give the existing test-box hosts a possibility to upgrade your hardware. This will announced, when we are ready to do this, in a separate mail. There is no deadline for applying. Applications will be processed in the order as they come in and processed as soon as our production schedule permits. If you have any questions about this project, please do not hesitate to contact me. Kind regards, Henk Uijterwaal ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal at ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre WWW: http://www.ripe.net/home/henk Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.535-4414, Fax -4445 1016 AB Amsterdam Home: +31.20.4195305 The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ A man can take a train and never reach his destination. (Kerouac, well before RFC2780). From wilhelm at ripe.net Tue Oct 24 23:02:15 2000 From: wilhelm at ripe.net (Rene Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 23:02:15 +0200 Subject: new style Test Traffic Measurements plots Message-ID: <200010242102.XAA20516@birch.ripe.net> Dear Test-Box Hosts, As you may have noticed on our website or heard at the last RIPE meeting, we have switched to a new format for the daily generated TTM plots. Compared to the old format, these new plots have a better layout and provide more (summary) statistics. After careful tuning of the analysis jobs, we are pleased to let you know the most recent results (last 24 hour plots) are now available early in the morning, around 4:30 UTC, from the Test Traffic Measurements plots page (http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/mem-services/ttm/Plots/index.html); this page also contains a detailed description of what is shown in the plots. Last week (7 day) and last month (30 day) plots take more time to generate, they usually appear on the website around 7:30 UTC and 12:00 UTC respectively. For those of you interested in analyzing TTM data themselves, we offer the source code of our 'delayplots' program via ftp (ftp://ftp.ripe.net/test-traffic/ROOT/delayplots) as an example of a moderately complex ROOT application. More information and hints on analyzing test-box data will appear in the next few days on http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/mem-services/ttm/Host_testbox/root.html Finally, we'd like to inform you of our plans for a plot-on-demand service: As the network of deployed test-boxes grows, it will take more and more time to generate all plots for all boxes every day; especially generating the 'last 30 day' plots in time will become difficult. Instead, our thoughts are to move those to a plot-on-demand service, where individual delay plots are generated upon request via a web interface. The service could also be used to obtain TTM delay plots for a different time period than the auto-generated last 24 hours and last 7 days. Currently, we have implemented a prototype for plots-on-demand, but this is not ready yet for full scale use by all test-box hosts. However, we are looking for a few volunteers to test the new application and provide us with feedback; if you're interested, feel free to contact us at ttm at ripe.net. On behalf of the RIPE NCC test-traffic team, With best regards, -- Rene Wilhelm =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rene Wilhelm RIPE Network Coordination Centre Email: wilhelm at ripe.net Test Traffic Measurements Phone: +31 20 535 4417 Amsterdam, the Netherlands Fax: +31 20 535 4445 http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/mem-services/ttm/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=