From henk at ripe.net Mon Feb 6 13:07:35 2006 From: henk at ripe.net (Henk Uijterwaal) Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 13:07:35 +0100 Subject: [ris-int] RFC4384 community strings for RIS Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060206125756.034dde90@ripe.net> Arife, Shane, In case you didn't notice: the RFC on BGP communities for data collection was published last week (RFC4384). The idea is to tag routes collected by routeviews, RIS and others with specific values in order to specify what they are. This should make life easier for people doing research. I think it'd be good if we encourage the RIS peers to use those values. Steps that I see: 1. Summarize RFC, so people know what to put in without having to read the whole document. (Ask comms for help?) 2. Put this information on the web. 3. Email information to peers. 4. Ask people to use those values. 1 day of work, not very urgent, but useful. Is this something you can pick up? Henk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1160438400. Watch this space... From arife at ripe.net Tue Feb 7 11:21:28 2006 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 11:21:28 +0100 Subject: [ris-int] [jhorn@terremark.com: RIS in Miami] Message-ID: <20060207102128.GB8716@ripe.net> Hi, What do you think about this offer? Arife ----- Forwarded message from Josh Snowhorn ----- From: "Josh Snowhorn" To: Subject: RIS in Miami Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 22:56:41 -0500 Hi Arife, I just noticed that you are the tech contact for RIS. I already have K-Root down at the NAP of the Americas in my lab cabinets. Why not put a RIS collector here too? It would be fee of course :-)... See you soon! Josh Joshua Snowhorn Director NAP of the Americas, Inc. A Terremark Worldwide Company (Amex:TWW) 305-205-8327 Cell snowhorn at terremark.com AIM:snowhorn70 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content, and is believed to be clean. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Arife Vural SED, RIPE NCC From wilhelm at ripe.net Tue Feb 7 11:46:57 2006 From: wilhelm at ripe.net (Rene Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 11:46:57 +0100 Subject: [ris-int] Re: [jhorn@terremark.com: RIS in Miami] In-Reply-To: <20060207102128.GB8716@ripe.net> References: <20060207102128.GB8716@ripe.net> Message-ID: <20060207104657.815516006B@x27.ripe.net> Hi Arife, > What do you think about this offer? hmm, miami ... want to go there and install it yourself? :-) I guess the answer depends on what a box at NAP would add and how the revised RIS infrastructure would perform when more data are coming in. New York and Palo Alto don't have that many peers compared to the RIS boxes at European exchanges (amsix,linx,decix,vix). If you would get more or others at NAP it might be worth while. This also relates to Joao's question at RIPE51 following your presentation in the routing-wg: "You are adding more and more collectors. How many are enough?" If you know how to answer that, you know how to answer all future requests/offers to host a RIS route collector. ;) -- Rene From arife at ripe.net Tue Feb 7 12:01:01 2006 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 12:01:01 +0100 Subject: [ris-int] Re: [jhorn@terremark.com: RIS in Miami] In-Reply-To: <20060207104657.815516006B@x27.ripe.net> References: <20060207102128.GB8716@ripe.net> <20060207104657.815516006B@x27.ripe.net> Message-ID: <20060207110100.GE8716@ripe.net> > > What do you think about this offer? > > hmm, miami ... want to go there and install it yourself? :-) That would be nice ha, after having all grey days here :) > I guess the answer depends on what a box at NAP would add and how the > revised RIS infrastructure would perform when more data are coming in. > New York and Palo Alto don't have that many peers compared That makes me wonder too actually, maybe we should spend more time to increase the number of peers in certain places. US boxes, and South America, Japan we do not have much boxes. Arife > to the RIS boxes at European exchanges (amsix,linx,decix,vix). > If you would get more or others at NAP it might be worth while. > > This also relates to Joao's question at RIPE51 following your > presentation in the routing-wg: > > "You are adding more and more collectors. How many are enough?" > > If you know how to answer that, you know how to answer all > future requests/offers to host a RIS route collector. ;) > > -- Rene > From arife at ripe.net Tue Feb 7 12:03:20 2006 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 12:03:20 +0100 Subject: [ris-int] [jhorn@terremark.com: Re: RIS in Miami] Message-ID: <20060207110320.GF8716@ripe.net> ----- Forwarded message from Josh Snowhorn ----- From: "Josh Snowhorn" To: Subject: Re: RIS in Miami Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 06:02:31 -0500 Ouch! No free box unfortunately...but a free space with power, some IP bandwidth and a peering port. We handle 90% of latin american traffic so it would be interesting ) _________________ Josh Snowhorn Director NAP of the Americas -----Original Message----- From: Arife Vural To: Josh Snowhorn Sent: Tue Feb 07 05:57:10 2006 Subject: Re: RIS in Miami > Coolio...I misspelled also...It will be "free" so hopefully that helps justify it. Free box or free hosting :-) a. > _________________ > Josh Snowhorn > Director > NAP of the Americas > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Arife Vural > To: Josh Snowhorn > Sent: Tue Feb 07 05:27:50 2006 > Subject: Re: RIS in Miami > > > Hi Josh, > > Thanks a lot for the offer :-) It would be nice, we have already > two boxes in US one at NYIIX and the other at PAIX. For US, we > thought at some point it's enough. But, let me dicuss your offer > with my manager and we will see how it goes. > > Cheers. > Arife > From henk at ripe.net Tue Feb 7 12:36:59 2006 From: henk at ripe.net (Henk Uijterwaal) Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 12:36:59 +0100 Subject: [ris-int] Re: [jhorn@terremark.com: RIS in Miami] In-Reply-To: <20060207104657.815516006B@x27.ripe.net> References: <20060207102128.GB8716@ripe.net> <20060207104657.815516006B@x27.ripe.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060207122859.03441e80@ripe.net> Hi all, > "You are adding more and more collectors. How many are enough?" This question came up in a workshop on BGP where there was a proposal to install 1 RRC-like device at _every_ IX in the world. That means something like 100-200 of them. This is a non-trivial operation to install and maintain, so the question came up: what can one do with N points, what does an N+1'th add. Nobody of the BGP analysis folks could give a good answer. (I did suggest that this would be an interesting study: take 1 RRC, do some analysis, add a second, repeat and see what you add, etc.) The handwaving argument is, of course, list all AS that we peer with, list AS present at the new location, if there is a huge difference, you'll learn a lot by adding an IX. If the difference is small, there isn't. Also, we should ask if/how NAP (or whoever) wants to promote peering with the RRC. This is a problem at some locations. Henk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1160438400. Watch this space... From customer-dept at chase.com Mon Feb 13 12:26:52 2006 From: customer-dept at chase.com (Chase Bank.) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:26:52 +0100 Subject: [ris-int] Dear Chase Manhattan's Bank Customer, Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ris-request at ripe.net Fri Feb 17 14:40:31 2006 From: ris-request at ripe.net (RIPE NCC RIS) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:40:31 +0100 Subject: [ris-int] Fw: NCC#2006021124 [RIS Lease-A-Beacon Request] Message-ID: <200602171340.k1HDeVoR007474@cat.ripe.net> Hi, I'd like to ask your view on this request. At the moment there are no available beacon prefixes that can be used for this experiment. So, we need to decide if we wish to support this user in his research and if so, we need to submit a request to RS for a new RIS beacon IP range. What do you think? I informed the user that we are discussing this case internally and will let them know when we have a solution (or not). Thanks, Vasco Asturiano -------------------------- Software Engineering Dept. RIPE-NCC ----- Begin forwarded message ----- Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 15:20:21 +0000 (UTC) From: RIS Beacon Request User To: ris at ripe.net Subject: NCC#2006021124 RIS Lease-A-Beacon Request Message-Id: <20060209152021.D7D724B959 at lama.ripe.net> name : Samantha Sau Man Lo contact : cssmlo at comp.polyu.edu.hk org : The Hong Kong Polytechnic University comments : We are studying properties of AS Path Prepending which is a popular inbound traffic engineering method. We propose an active measurement method to measure the impact of ASPP method under different prepending lengths and strategies. We applied it on a dual-homed, stub AS. We announce a prefix(/21) to both upstream ASes. But the announcement to one of the upstream AS, we applied different prepending length. After prepended once, we observe the route changes from different looking glasses (we have the script to collect the route changes from different looking glasses). However, we would like to perform the active measurement from other sites to see the effect. Here is the extended abstract appeared in ICNP2005: http://csr.bu.edu/icnp2005/Posters/Lo.pdf beacons : 2 RRC : RRC00 RRC : RRC01 RRC : RRC02 RRC : RRC03 RRC : RRC04 RRC : RRC05 RRC : RRC06 RRC : RRC07 RRC : RRC08 RRC : RRC10 RRC : RRC11 pattern : We would like prefix to have the following A/W pattern: Set1 (prepending on the link to AS20483) Day1 A: 00:00 : prepending length =0 W: 02:00 A: 04:00 : prepending length=1 W: 06:00 A: 08:00 : prepending length=2 W: 10:00 A: 12:00 : prepending length=3 W: 14:00 A: 16:00 : prepending length=4 W: 18:00 A: 20:00 : prepending length=5 W: 22:00 Day2 A: 00:00 : prepending length=6 W: 02:00 A: 04:00 : prepending length=7 W: 06:00 A: 08:00 : prepending length=8 W: 10:00 A: 12:00 : prepending length=9 W: 14:00 A: 16:00 : prepending length=10 W: 18:00 A: 20:00 : prepending length=11 W: 22:00 Day3 A: 00:00 : prepending length=10 W: 02:00 A: 04:00 : prepending length=9 W: 06:00 A: 08:00 : prepending length=8 W: 10:00 A: 12:00 : prepending length=7 W: 14:00 A: 16:00 : prepending length=6 W: 18:00 A: 20:00 : prepending length=5 W: 22:00 Day4 A: 00:00 : prepending length=4 W: 02:00 A: 04:00 : prepending length=3 W: 06:00 A: 08:00 : prepending length=2 W: 10:00 A: 12:00 : prepending length=1 W: 14:00 A: 16:00 : prepending length=0 W: 18:00 ------ Set2 (prepending on the link to AS3277) Day1 A: 00:00 : prepending length =0 W: 02:00 A: 04:00 : prepending length=1 W: 06:00 A: 08:00 : prepending length=2 W: 10:00 A: 12:00 : prepending length=3 W: 14:00 A: 16:00 : prepending length=4 W: 18:00 A: 20:00 : prepending length=5 W: 22:00 Day2 A: 00:00 : prepending length=6 W: 02:00 A: 04:00 : prepending length=7 W: 06:00 A: 08:00 : prepending length=8 W: 10:00 A: 12:00 : prepending length=9 W: 14:00 A: 16:00 : prepending length=10 W: 18:00 A: 20:00 : prepending length=11 W: 22:00 Day3 A: 00:00 : prepending length=10 W: 02:00 A: 04:00 : prepending length=9 W: 06:00 A: 08:00 : prepending length=8 W: 10:00 A: 12:00 : prepending length=7 W: 14:00 A: 16:00 : prepending length=6 W: 18:00 A: 20:00 : prepending length=5 W: 22:00 Day4 A: 00:00 : prepending length=4 W: 02:00 A: 04:00 : prepending length=3 W: 06:00 A: 08:00 : prepending length=2 W: 10:00 A: 12:00 : prepending length=1 W: 14:00 A: 16:00 : prepending length=0 W: 18:00 They are subjected to change. Sending host [158.132.12.81]. Agent Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; InfoPath.1; .NET CLR 1.0.3705). ------ End forwarded message ------ -- From lorenzo at ripe.net Fri Feb 17 14:53:24 2006 From: lorenzo at ripe.net (Lorenzo Colitti) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:53:24 +0100 Subject: [ris-int] Fw: NCC#2006021124 [RIS Lease-A-Beacon Request] In-Reply-To: <200602171340.k1HDeVoR007474@cat.ripe.net> References: <200602171340.k1HDeVoR007474@cat.ripe.net> Message-ID: <43F5D554.8010007@ripe.net> RIPE NCC RIS wrote: > I'd like to ask your view on this request. > > At the moment there are no available beacon prefixes that can be used > for this experiment. > [...] >> Set1 (prepending on the link to AS20483) >> Day1 >> A: 00:00 : prepending length =0 >> W: 02:00 >> A: 04:00 : prepending length=1 I don't think we can currently do this automatically using the RRCs, so it would take a fair bit of manual tinkering to set it up initially. Maybe we could use the same setup that I used for the AS-set stuffing experiments, i.e. the BGP announcer and a cron job running on a machine with an IBGP peering to the RRCs. James, what do you think? Cheers, Lorenzo -- lorenzo at ripe.net colitti at dia.uniroma3.it www.ripe.net www.dia.uniroma3.it/~compunet RIPE NCC Roma Tre Computer Networks research group From henk at ripe.net Tue Feb 21 14:53:07 2006 From: henk at ripe.net (Henk Uijterwaal) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:53:07 +0100 Subject: [ris-int] Fw: NCC#2006021124 [RIS Lease-A-Beacon Request] In-Reply-To: <43F5D554.8010007@ripe.net> References: <200602171340.k1HDeVoR007474@cat.ripe.net> <43F5D554.8010007@ripe.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060221145012.034f6ae8@ripe.net> At 14:53 17/02/2006, Lorenzo Colitti wrote: >RIPE NCC RIS wrote: >>I'd like to ask your view on this request. >>At the moment there are no available beacon prefixes that can be used >>for this experiment. [...] Getting more prefixes should be trivial: walk to RS, ask them for a temporary assignment for an experiment). >>>Set1 (prepending on the link to AS20483) Day1 >>>A: 00:00 : prepending length =0 >>>W: 02:00 >>>A: 04:00 : prepending length=1 > >I don't think we can currently do this automatically using the RRCs, >so it would take a fair bit of manual tinkering to set it up initially. That is more of a problem. If we can set this up easily, we should do this. If not, talk to Shane and see if he has the resources. In any case, we should reply to the original requestor "soon". Henk Henk >Maybe we could use the same setup that I used for the AS-set >stuffing experiments, i.e. the BGP announcer and a cron job running >on a machine with an IBGP peering to the RRCs. > >James, what do you think? > > >Cheers, >Lorenzo > >-- >lorenzo at ripe.net colitti at dia.uniroma3.it >www.ripe.net www.dia.uniroma3.it/~compunet >RIPE NCC Roma Tre Computer Networks research group ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1160438400. Watch this space... 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URL: From shane at ripe.net Thu Feb 23 12:16:59 2006 From: shane at ripe.net (Shane Kerr) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:16:59 +0100 Subject: [ris-int] Re: RFC4384 community strings for RIS In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060206125756.034dde90@ripe.net> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060206125756.034dde90@ripe.net> Message-ID: <43FD99AB.8050906@ripe.net> Henk Uijterwaal wrote: > Arife, Shane, > > In case you didn't notice: the RFC on BGP communities for data collection > was published last week (RFC4384). The idea is to tag routes collected > by routeviews, RIS and others with specific values in order to specify > what they are. This should make life easier for people doing research. > I think it'd be good if we encourage the RIS peers to use those values. > Steps that I see: > > 1. Summarize RFC, so people know what to put in without having to > read the whole document. (Ask comms for help?) > 2. Put this information on the web. > 3. Email information to peers. > 4. Ask people to use those values. > > 1 day of work, not very urgent, but useful. Is this something you > can pick up? Henk, Arife has agreed to look into this when she has finished working on the meeting software. 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