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URL: From henk at ripe.net Wed Apr 12 15:17:59 2006 From: henk at ripe.net (Henk Uijterwaal) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 15:17:59 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] Fwd: Christmas report Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060412151747.0348ba50@ripe.net> FYI, Henk >X-Original-To: henk at ripe.net >Delivered-To: henk at ripe.net >Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:19:18 +0200 >From: Attila Miklos >User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051011) >X-Accept-Language: en-us, en >To: henk at ripe.net >Subject: Christmas report > >hello Henk, > >Here is the final version of my christmas report. > >Attila > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1160438400. Watch this space... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Christmas_Report_Attila_Miklos.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 765585 bytes Desc: not available URL: From arife at ripe.net Thu Apr 13 11:52:41 2006 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:52:41 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] RIS meeting minutes Message-ID: <20060413095241.GC20030@ripe.net> Attendees: James, Arife, Henk, Lorenzo, Francesco 1. Everyone agrees it's a good idea to have RIS data distributed over the Internet. This needs to be discuss with Andrei and get back to Simon Leinen. (AV) 2. Runing some scripts/tools Geoff has that uses RIS data. Arife will contact with Geoff to run them here. 3. RRC boxes in LACNIC region, we are happy to offer LACNIC people help how do it. There is not much point for RIS to have 7 RRCs in LACNIC area. Henk will contact with Milton. 4. RIS statistics, SED and Comms should look at how much of the statistics we produce are used. If there is no interest, we should stop spending CPU cycles. 5. Beacon request from The Hong Kong Polytechnic University, Lorenzo is in touch with them. He will let us know when do the configuration changes. 6. Having new RRC in NAP of Amreica is a good idea, as long as we get interested parities to peer with us. Josh Snowhorn, Terramark seems to be voluntered to do this. 7. Henk is voluntered to do RIS/TTM presentation in DE-CIX technical meeting. 8. Load on AMS-IX RRC is getting quite high with the number of peers. We should check our budget and get a new box, and share the load between two boxes. Any comments are welcome. -- Arife Vural SED, RIPE NCC From wilhelm at ripe.net Thu Apr 13 14:32:01 2006 From: wilhelm at ripe.net (Rene Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:32:01 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] RIS Analaysis page Message-ID: <20060413123201.CA70C6006B@x27.ripe.net> Hi, The web page which lists external analysis done with RIS, http://www.ripe.net/ris/docs/analysis.html is very hard to locate when navigating through the RIS part of the ripe.net website. As far as I can see, the only place it is mentioned is at the bottom of the (quite lengthy) "RIS Raw data" page Can we not add a label/link to the RIS menu in the left pane? The analysis page is part of RIS PR, showing people the project also has value to the research community. It should be easy to find. As for the page itself, I'd think this line If you are using our data and have published a paper, please send us an email and you will be added to this list. better moves to the beginning of the page. It makes it more obvious to readers how to contact us for having their paper listed. Cheers, -- Rene From webmaster at ripe.net Thu Apr 13 15:10:42 2006 From: webmaster at ripe.net (RIPE NCC Webmaster) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:10:42 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] Re: RIS Analaysis page In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 13 Apr 2006 14:32:01 +0200. <20060413123201.CA70C6006B@x27.ripe.net> References: <20060413123201.CA70C6006B@x27.ripe.net> Message-ID: <20060413131042.BBEA62F599@herring.ripe.net> Hi, Rene Wilhelm writes: * Hi, * * The web page which lists external analysis done with RIS, * http://www.ripe.net/ris/docs/analysis.html * is very hard to locate when navigating through the * RIS part of the ripe.net website. As far as I can see, * the only place it is mentioned is at the bottom of the * (quite lengthy) "RIS Raw data" page * * Can we not add a label/link to the RIS menu in the left pane? * The analysis page is part of RIS PR, showing people the project * also has value to the research community. It should be * easy to find. Yes, good idea. I've done it. * * As for the page itself, I'd think this line * * If you are using our data and have published a paper, * please send us an email and you will be added to this list. * * better moves to the beginning of the page. It makes it more obvious * to readers how to contact us for having their paper listed. Cool, I don't see a reason why not. That's done too. Thanks Rene, -Jeroen * * Cheers, * * -- Rene From henk at ripe.net Tue Apr 18 17:53:20 2006 From: henk at ripe.net (Henk Uijterwaal) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 17:53:20 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] RIS meeting minutes In-Reply-To: <20060413095241.GC20030@ripe.net> References: <20060413095241.GC20030@ripe.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060418175233.034adc90@ripe.net> Hi, >3. RRC boxes in LACNIC region, we are happy to offer LACNIC people >help how do it. There is not much point for RIS to have 7 RRCs in >LACNIC area. Henk will contact with Milton. Done, suggested to set up a copy of the RIS in Brazil with our help. Henk >4. RIS statistics, SED and Comms should look at how much of the >statistics we produce are used. If there is no interest, we >should stop spending CPU cycles. > >5. Beacon request from The Hong Kong Polytechnic University, Lorenzo >is in touch with them. He will let us know when do the configuration >changes. > >6. Having new RRC in NAP of Amreica is a good idea, as long as we >get interested parities to peer with us. Josh Snowhorn, Terramark >seems to be voluntered to do this. > >7. Henk is voluntered to do RIS/TTM presentation in DE-CIX technical >meeting. > >8. Load on AMS-IX RRC is getting quite high with the number of peers. >We should check our budget and get a new box, and share the load >between two boxes. > >Any comments are welcome. > >-- >Arife Vural >SED, RIPE NCC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1160438400. Watch this space... From henk at ripe.net Thu Apr 20 16:16:27 2006 From: henk at ripe.net (Henk Uijterwaal) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:16:27 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] Fwd: RIS things, was Re: [np] Conf report: Peering Forum In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060331144644.034841d8@ripe.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060420160631.033ca238@ripe.net> Rene, >RIS has a lot of information, but we aren't very good in pushing >the info out,making network operators aware. MyASN 1.0 was a good >start, but has gone into zombie state after the restructuring >(less and less people in SED to do more and more work). Actually, Trudy is about to contact the 500 or so myASN users to see what they like about it, what they don't and how it can be improved. This is part of the CMM effort (documenting all technical services, what they are and what people can expect), but it might help to improve the service in the future. >However, I have a feeling we are loosing touch with the NOC community, the >RIPE NCC members. From Geoff's talk it's clear some folk don't have a clue >what effects their poking with BGP traffic engineering has on the global >routing system. Maybe the training department should expand the Routing >course with a long section on "how to use the RIS"? Without continued >education, RIS DB and related services will only be used by small >subset of technically inclined, curious individuals. I think that'd be useful. The tools are there and if you are clueful enough, you can check what you are doing. However, people don't use them, so they either don't know that they exist or how they work. I'll suggest this to Rumy. Henk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1160438400. Watch this space... From trudy at ripe.net Thu Apr 20 16:39:00 2006 From: trudy at ripe.net (Trudy Prins) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:39:00 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] Fwd: RIS things, was Re: [np] Conf report: Peering Forum In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060420160631.033ca238@ripe.net> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20060331144644.034841d8@ripe.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20060420160631.033ca238@ripe.net> Message-ID: <44479D04.9030006@ripe.net> Henk Uijterwaal wrote: > Rene, > >> RIS has a lot of information, but we aren't very good in pushing >> the info out,making network operators aware. MyASN 1.0 was a good >> start, but has gone into zombie state after the restructuring >> (less and less people in SED to do more and more work). > > > Actually, Trudy is about to contact the 500 or so myASN users to see > what they like about it, what they don't and how it can be improved. > This is part of the CMM effort (documenting all technical services, > what they are and what people can expect), but it might help to > improve the service in the future. FYI: Before the survey will be send to the MyASn mailinglist, Arife will spend 3 weeks or so on fixing bugs. -- Trudy > >> However, I have a feeling we are loosing touch with the NOC >> community, the >> RIPE NCC members. From Geoff's talk it's clear some folk don't have a >> clue >> what effects their poking with BGP traffic engineering has on the global >> routing system. Maybe the training department should expand the Routing >> course with a long section on "how to use the RIS"? Without continued >> education, RIS DB and related services will only be used by small >> subset of technically inclined, curious individuals. > > > I think that'd be useful. The tools are there and if you are clueful > enough, you can check what you are doing. However, people don't use > them, so they either don't know that they exist or how they work. > > I'll suggest this to Rumy. > > Henk > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Henk Uijterwaal Email: > henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net > RIPE Network Coordination Centre > http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk > P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 > 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 > The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > 1160438400. Watch this space... > -- Trudy From henk at ripe.net Fri Apr 21 11:18:38 2006 From: henk at ripe.net (Henk Uijterwaal) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:18:38 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] RIS meeting minutes In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060418175233.034adc90@ripe.net> References: <20060413095241.GC20030@ripe.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20060418175233.034adc90@ripe.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060421111312.033d2b08@ripe.net> Hi all, >>3. RRC boxes in LACNIC region, we are happy to offer LACNIC people >>help how do it. There is not much point for RIS to have 7 RRCs in >>LACNIC area. Henk will contact with Milton. > >Done, suggested to set up a copy of the RIS in Brazil with our help. I got a reply from Milton. We agree that for this case, it is best to replicate our RIS and do the data collection/serving in their area. He will now work out a more detailed plan and come to us when it is time to spec the machines. Henk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1160438400. Watch this space... From wilhelm at ripe.net Fri Apr 21 12:31:21 2006 From: wilhelm at ripe.net (Rene Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:31:21 +0200 Subject: peers in Brazil (Re: [ris-int] RIS meeting minutes ) In-Reply-To: Message from Henk Uijterwaal of "Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:18:38 +0200." <7.0.1.0.2.20060421111312.033d2b08@ripe.net> Message-ID: <20060421103121.A8A0C2F5A9@herring.ripe.net> Hi Henk, Arife, > >>help how do it. There is not much point for RIS to have 7 RRCs in > >>LACNIC area. Henk will contact with Milton. > > > >Done, suggested to set up a copy of the RIS in Brazil with our help. > > I got a reply from Milton. > > We agree that for this case, it is best to replicate our RIS and > do the data collection/serving in their area. As you are in touch with the Brazilians, would it be an idea to ask them to do some more, active promotion for the RIS collector we have in Sao Paulo? http://www.ris.ripe.net/peerlist/rrc15.html suggests there are only 3 peers on this collector, a rather disappointing number. -- Rene From lorenzo at ripe.net Fri Apr 21 12:41:42 2006 From: lorenzo at ripe.net (Lorenzo Colitti) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:41:42 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] Conf call with HK polytechnic people on prepending Message-ID: <4448B6E6.1020900@ripe.net> Hi, I just had a conference call with Samantha Lo (student) and Rocky Chang (associate professor) from Hong Kong Polytechnic on the prepending research. This email is a status update on what we are doing and what we want to do. Comments/suggestions welcome. Current status -------------- There seems to be good communication and agreement on where to go. Today we discussed which RRCs to announce the test prefixes from. We decided that RRC07 (Stockholm), RRC10 (Milan), and RRC14 (Palo Alto) are the best candidates because they have a realistic number of upstreams and a more balanced AS graph (shown in attached PDF file). We obtain BGP data from the RIS (using my scripts) and from ORV and looking glasses (using scripts by Samantha). In total we have about 150 views of the Internet. This might further be enriched by TTM, but I don't know if I'll have time to implement that. Goals ----- - Submit a paper to IMC 2006 conference (deadline end of May). Author list might be something like Lo, Chang, and Colitti - They also want to present this at nanog in June Proposed setup -------------- Everything will be in the NCC network and under our control: - We have a machine here that peers with the 2 or 3 RRCs involved - The machine runs the Python BGP announcer I wrote and announces communities to the RRCs - The RRCs announce varying degrees of prepending to our transit peers based on the communities they receive. A route-map will be used for this purpose. Next steps ---------- - Samantha will set up a test-lab, write the route-maps and test the setup (this week) - Once we know how long that is going to take, we inform our peers that we will be doing the experiments. - Target: begin experiments soon after RIPE meeting Cheers, Lorenzo -- Lorenzo Colitti lorenzo at ripe.net Network Engineer +31-20-5354471 RIPE NCC www.ripe.net -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Lorenzo -- Lorenzo Colitti lorenzo at ripe.net Network Engineer +31-20-5354471 RIPE NCC www.ripe.net From henk at ripe.net Fri Apr 21 14:29:18 2006 From: henk at ripe.net (Henk Uijterwaal) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:29:18 +0200 Subject: peers in Brazil (Re: [ris-int] RIS meeting minutes ) In-Reply-To: <20060421103121.A8A0C2F5A9@herring.ripe.net> References: <20060421103121.A8A0C2F5A9@herring.ripe.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060421142851.034a2630@ripe.net> At 12:31 21/04/2006, Rene Wilhelm wrote: >Hi Henk, Arife, > > > >>help how do it. There is not much point for RIS to have 7 RRCs in > > >>LACNIC area. Henk will contact with Milton. > > > > > >Done, suggested to set up a copy of the RIS in Brazil with our help. > > > > I got a reply from Milton. > > > > We agree that for this case, it is best to replicate our RIS and > > do the data collection/serving in their area. > >As you are in touch with the Brazilians, would it be an idea to >ask them to do some more, active promotion for the RIS collector >we have in Sao Paulo? > >http://www.ris.ripe.net/peerlist/rrc15.html > >suggests there are only 3 peers on this collector, >a rather disappointing number. Arife: Maybe you can ask Milton to chase people... >-- Rene ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1160438400. Watch this space... From mqgm at buffalotracecouncil.org Mon Apr 24 08:58:37 2006 From: mqgm at buffalotracecouncil.org (Silas Mckinney) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:58:37 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] prowl assist Message-ID: <000f01c6676c$e40b1c21$969ca8c3@mb.wt> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: whiten.gif Type: image/gif Size: 32310 bytes Desc: not available URL: