From arife at ripe.net Mon Apr 4 10:35:52 2005 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 10:35:52 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] Fw: NCC#2004081420 [RE: RIPE beacon request!] In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20050329114620.02cc3db8@localhost> References: <200503241115.j2OBFO8W005091@x12.ripe.net> <6.2.0.14.2.20050329114620.02cc3db8@localhost> Message-ID: <20050404083552.GG7661@ripe.net> > > > >What do you think about this request? > > I would be against this. The RRC's are set up as route collectors, > not as machines to run named or whatever for 3rd parties. We have > our agreements with hosts, let's not do things we have not agreed > just because a student somewhere asks. Agree with that. I will let him know. Arife > > Henk > > > > > >James, what does OPS think to run named on RRCs? > > > >Arife > > > > > >----- Begin forwarded message ----- > > > >Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 03:56:08 -0500 > >From: "Hitesh Ballani" > >To: "RIPE NCC RIS" > >Subject: RE: NCC#2004081420 RIPE beacon request! > >Message-Id: <2EE48095D8C21643B0B70EC95F9BFBAF0A3174 at EXCHVS1.cs.cornell.edu> > > > > > >Hello Arife, > > > >Thanks for your help with my last experiment - but I need an even bigger > >favor now. I am going to describe my requirements below - if you do not > >find > >them feasible, please feel free to tell me so. Also, if you have stopped > >leasing out beacons to external researchers, I totally understand. > > > >I need a prefix to be advertised to many RRCs (as many as possible) for the > >duration of a week or so. However, this time I also need the RRCs to run a > >nameserver and answer queries for a particular domain. My friend here at > >Cornell owns a domain name (guha.cc) and hence, I can point anycast.guha.cc > >to the anycast address you assign to me. So for example, assume you assign > >a > >prefix a.b.c.0/24 to my experiment and it is advertised by 8 RRCs. I want > >all > >the 8 RRCs to run a nameserver and answer DNS queries (type A) for > >anycast.guha.cc - each RRC will answer with a different address. Hence, the > >first RRC will answer with a.b.c.1, the second with a.b.c.2 and so on. The > >purpose of this is that such an arrangement allows me to use thousands of > >DNS > >servers which have recursion enabled to perform my measurements and hence, > >adds a lot of value to my anycast study. The above mentioned approach for > >measurement is known as KING and was developed at U.Wash (described here > >http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~stefan/publications/imw/2002/imw.html). > > > >In case this sounds vaguely feasible, I would be more than happy to give > >you > >more details or clarify any doubts you may have. We have used the King > >approach for anycast measurements against the anycasted root-servers - and > >so, have some sense of what is required. You might have security concerns > >regarding running a name-server on your RRCs. I think there are standard > >techniques (eg. running BIND in a chroot JAIL) by which we can ensure that > >this experiment does not add any vulnerabilities to the RRCs - again, I can > >provide with more information/help in case you are interested. > > > >Thanks for your time, > >Hitesh > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: RIPE NCC RIS [mailto:ris-request at ripe.net] > >> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 8:13 AM > >> To: Hitesh Ballani > >> Subject: Re: NCC#2004081420 RIPE beacon request! > >> > >> Hi Hitesh, > >> > >> > Lets start off with a prefix (I presume 195.80.238.0/24) being > >> advertised as > >> > normal (i.e. no periodic withdrawals) from 6 locations : RRC01 > >(Lon,UK), > >> > RRC02 (Paris,UK), RRC05 (Vienna,AT), RRC06 (Otemcahi, JP), RRC08 (San > >> > Jose,US), RRC11(NY,USA). As I mentioned earlier, the purpose is to get > >> > baseline measurements for an anycasted prefix when there are no flaps > >> (at > >> > least, no intentional flaps). Then, later we can introduce flaps for > >> other > >> > experiments. > >> > >> I configured on rrc01, rrc02, rrc05, rrc06, and rrc11. rrc08 is offline > >> by now. It's replacement would be rrc14 at PAIX, but it's not online > >> yet. > >> > >> > Actually, what I would like to do is to have the prefix advertised in a > >> > stable fashion (i.e. no intentional withdrawals) from 7 RRC locations > >> with > >> > the locations changing every couple of days .... i.e. of the 13 RRCs, 7 > >> are > >> > always advertising the prefix but the set of seven changes every couple > >> of > >> > days ...since, I would like the non-european sites (3 of them) to > >always > >> be > >> > part of the advertising set, so we are left with choose(13 - 3, 7 -3) = > >> > choose(10,4) = 1260 combinations ... while this is not certainly not > >> > possible, I was wondering if we could try out 5-7 odd combinations so > >> that > >> > the entire experiment finishes in a couple of weeks and then, we can > >> move > >> > onto the experiments with periodic withdrawals ... however, I am not > >> sure if > >> > this can be automated (I would be happy to write any scripts needed for > >> this) > >> > because it would be a pain for you to do this manually .. if this is > >> > possible, then I would be more than happy to send you a chart of the > >5-7 > >> sets > >> > of 7 RRCs, each set advertising the prefix for 2 (or whatever u are > >> > comfortable with) days .. However, if this is not feasible, then we > >> could > >> > start with the pattern mentioned in the previous paragraph and make 1 > >or > >> 2 > >> > changes (2 weeks, one change a week gives us 2 combinations to try > >out). > >> > Comments?? > >> > >> I do not have any comments by now. Should think about it. > >> > >> Thanks for offer. We will see how much of time is required from our side. > >> Then, we can do something about it. We have already some scripts that > >> do the config changes on zebra/bgd. We can modify that one. > >> > >> > > >> > By the way, are you going to set up interfaces on these machines so > >that > >> I > >> > can also do end-to-end experiments? > >> > >> I've configured an interface on those RRCs, IP address, 195.80.238.1. You > >> can try to ping that address. In a few minutes, I will send an e-mail to > >> those IXs mailinglists also to allow transit that prefix. > >> > >> Regards. > >> Arife > >------ End forwarded message ------ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net > RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk > P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 > 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 > The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Look here junior, don't you be so happy. > And for Heaven's sake, don't you be so sad. (Tom Verlaine) From ris-request at ripe.net Mon Apr 4 10:43:09 2005 From: ris-request at ripe.net (RIPE NCC RIS) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 10:43:09 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] Fw: NCC#2004081420 [Re: RIPE beacon request!] Message-ID: <200504040843.j348h9jd010888@x12.ripe.net> FYI ----- Begin forwarded message ----- Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 17:13:04 -0500 From: Hitesh Ballani To: RIPE NCC RIS Subject: Re: NCC#2004081420 RIPE beacon request! Message-Id: <1111702384.25482.28.camel at devilman.u.cs.cornell.edu> Hello Arife, > I was thinking to contact you about the latest change in Beacons. I hope > you noticed that. We were running out Beacon prefixes, and got new big > block from RIPE, and replace the previous ones with new one. > > Latest changes are here, > > http://www.ripe.net/projects/ris/docs/beaconlist.html Yep, I noticed that .. thanks! > About your request, I have to discuss with my colleagues and get back to > you. Sure! > BTW, do you have any results online about your previous experiement? It > would be nice to look at it. Lorenzo, a colleague of mine, is also doing > somework about anycast root servers. Its great to hear that other people are interested and working on anycast too. In the intervening weeks (months?) since we last talked, I have done a bunch of anycast measurements. Most of the earlier measurements were to support of our anycast architecture proposal (http://www.usenix.org/publications/library/proceedings/worlds04/tech/ballani.html). Attached is our subsequent submission to SIGCOMM (please do not forward the paper outside your group) - section IV.A and IV.D describe those measurements. Beyond this, we realised that it would be good to do a detailed measurement study of current anycast deployments (i.e. DNS root-servers and AS-112 servers). This study was conducted over a period of 3 months. I summarize our main results here: 1. That anycast, as deployed today, is quite poor at selecting the closest server in terms of latency. We think we know why, and that it can be fixed, but nevertheless that is what we see. (Section IV.D of our SIGCOMM paper) 2. That anycast is quite good in preserving affinity - during the period of the study, I maintained a web-site which showed my latest results (http://www5.cs.cornell.edu/~hitesh/anycast-g2.html). This disagrees with data from a study done by the operators of J-root who argued against running connection oriented services on top of anycast based on their measurements. Hence the need to do a wider scale study and this is why i need your cooperation. We plan to describe these in a measurement paper and submit to IMC in May. It would be great to see what you guys are interested in and maybe I can help you out. -- Thanks, Hitesh p.s. the above description is highly condensed - feel free to ping me if you have any questions/comments. > Regards. > Arife > > On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 03:56:08 -0500, Hitesh Ballani wrote: > > Hello Arife, > > > > Thanks for your help with my last experiment - but I need an even bigger > > favor now. I am going to describe my requirements below - if you do not find > > them feasible, please feel free to tell me so. Also, if you have stopped > > leasing out beacons to external researchers, I totally understand. > > > > I need a prefix to be advertised to many RRCs (as many as possible) for the > > duration of a week or so. However, this time I also need the RRCs to run a > > nameserver and answer queries for a particular domain. My friend here at > > Cornell owns a domain name (guha.cc) and hence, I can point anycast.guha.cc > > to the anycast address you assign to me. So for example, assume you assign a > > prefix a.b.c.0/24 to my experiment and it is advertised by 8 RRCs. I want all > > the 8 RRCs to run a nameserver and answer DNS queries (type A) for > > anycast.guha.cc - each RRC will answer with a different address. Hence, the > > first RRC will answer with a.b.c.1, the second with a.b.c.2 and so on. The > > purpose of this is that such an arrangement allows me to use thousands of DNS > > servers which have recursion enabled to perform my measurements and hence, > > adds a lot of value to my anycast study. The above mentioned approach for > > measurement is known as KING and was developed at U.Wash (described here > > http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~stefan/publications/imw/2002/imw.html). > > > > In case this sounds vaguely feasible, I would be more than happy to give you > > more details or clarify any doubts you may have. We have used the King > > approach for anycast measurements against the anycasted root-servers - and > > so, have some sense of what is required. You might have security concerns > > regarding running a name-server on your RRCs. I think there are standard > > techniques (eg. running BIND in a chroot JAIL) by which we can ensure that > > this experiment does not add any vulnerabilities to the RRCs - again, I can > > provide with more information/help in case you are interested. > > > > Thanks for your time, > > Hitesh > > ------ End forwarded message ------ From ris-request at ripe.net Mon Apr 4 10:45:33 2005 From: ris-request at ripe.net (RIPE NCC RIS) Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 10:45:33 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] Fw: NCC#2005030185 [Re: Request for BGP Data] Message-ID: <200504040845.j348jXrs010973@x12.ripe.net> I will offer him to have peer rrc00 or rrc03. Is that OK? Arife ----- Begin forwarded message ----- Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:52:00 -0600 From: Dave Deitrich To: RIPE NCC RIS Subject: Re: NCC#2005030185 Request for BGP Data Cc: Team Cymru Message-Id: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mar 24, 2005, at 4:01 AM, RIPE NCC RIS wrote: > As you may already know, we have rawdata available on RIS Web site. > We collect BGP updates and the snaphost of RIB (3 times a day, bview > files). I'm just wondering those RIB dumps will help you or not. If > not, > could you give us more detail what kind of applications you are > planning > to implement, and also which RRCs you like to peer with. Greetings RIPE, Thank you very much for your reply. Most of our scripts are geared towards accepting data from live BGP feeds so we would generally prefer direct peering over RIB snapshots. Also, we like to monitor for anomalies on a near real-time basis so only seeing snapshot data 3 times a day is not really ideal for our needs. We use the BGP data to track the stability of critical infrastructure, such as the DNS root and gTLD name servers. One example of our monitoring is available on our DNS page at the following URL: We will send out alerts to certain folks when notable events occur; for example, when the actual BGP information does not match with the expected BGP information for a particular root nameserver. We also use the data to provide some interesting BGP statistics on our BGP monitoring page. This includes the tracking of bogon prefixes, bogus ASNs, and a few other statistics. Mostly we use the data to provide free insight to the wider community. This insight is both "push" and "pull," in that we send email alerts to those who subscribe to an automated alert service. This provides them with instant notification of bogon prefix announcements, bogus ASN leakage, and prefix hijacking. Obviously with more BGP feeds we get a wider view of the internet and are able to provide better insight to the Internet community. This is why we have been contacting people and asking if we could peer with them for visibility into their BGP data. If you are interested in helping us we'd love to peer with as many RCCs as you're willing to give us access to. If you have any additional questions please let us know. Thank you for your consideration. - -- DAVE DEITRICH deitrich at cymru.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 8.1 iQA/AwUBQkmVx0iQQdywQH32EQLJJgCfUTBFRjDtcmyDJC3S2p5hDPKs42QAn3Jv 8zCTRqsmVwQHIK2tyX++9oar =FBbt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------ End forwarded message ------ From daniel.karrenberg at ripe.net Mon Apr 4 15:46:59 2005 From: daniel.karrenberg at ripe.net (Daniel Karrenberg) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 15:46:59 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] Re: Trip Report: DHS Routing Security Workshop In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20050322100404.02c8a108@localhost> References: <20050317085914.GE3098@reifer-karrenberg-net.local> <6.2.0.14.2.20050322100404.02c8a108@localhost> Message-ID: <20050404134659.GH743@reifer-karrenberg-net.local> Thanks I am currently planning to go to NANOG too if the WS is adjacent to it. Daniel On 22.03 10:05, Henk Uijterwaal wrote: > > Daniel, > > > >(Homeland Security) HSARPA: > > > >This is the first of 5 workshops. Next is probably being after NANOG > >Seattle, > [...] > >We need to have someone there. > > I was planning to go to NANOG anyway, so can add this to my schedule. > > Henk > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net > RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk > P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 > 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 > The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Look here junior, don't you be so happy. > And for Heaven's sake, don't you be so sad. (Tom Verlaine) From james at ripe.net Wed Apr 6 10:58:44 2005 From: james at ripe.net (James Aldridge) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 10:58:44 +0200 Subject: [ugin@ripn.net: Re: [ris-int] Re: Installation CD for RRC13] In-Reply-To: Message from Arife Vural of "Wed, 26 Jan 2005 16:48:49 +0100." <20050126154849.GH28136@ripe.net> Message-ID: <200504060858.j368wiet025992@birch.ripe.net> A quick update on rrc13... It seems that the disk image that Evgueni had was seriously broken. When he sent me the transcript of the installation session it was apparent that there were problems even _running_ the risinstall script. Last night I built a new image and tested the installation on a spare box here (all went fine). This image is now on ftp.ripe.net for Evgueni to pick up. Let's see how this version goes... James From henk at ripe.net Wed Apr 6 11:17:35 2005 From: henk at ripe.net (Henk Uijterwaal (RIPE NCC)) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 11:17:35 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [ris-int] Hardware for the garage sale Message-ID: Sonia, 1. Prototype 1U TB, +/- 2001, commit 200106017 2. Pre 1997 Dell PC 3. Celeron 333, 64 MB, +/- 1998, works 4. Unknown, TTec Cabinet 5. Same as #1 but from different vendor. 6. PE350, 1 of the machines from commit 200110011 7. Old RIS box, +/- 2001. Broken. 8. Assorted hard disks, these have been removed from old PC's. 9-14: Rackmounts, some containing broken PC parts. The cabinets are +/- 100 euro's in the shop. 15: BW monitor, pre 1997 16: Color monitor, unknown. Henk ps. Folks, if you recognize any of this hardware and it still servers a function, please remove it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Look here junior, don't you be so happy. And for Heaven's sake, don't you be so sad. (Tom Verlaine) From ris-request at ripe.net Wed Apr 6 11:38:54 2005 From: ris-request at ripe.net (RIPE NCC RIS) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 11:38:54 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] Re: NCC#2005030185 Request for BGP Data In-Reply-To: ; from Dave Deitrich on Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:52:00 -0600 References: <9c251485ff037119c294a661ebc8f84c@cymru.com> <200503241001.j2OA1ckf002304@x12.ripe.net> Message-ID: <200504060938.j369csXa021367@x12.ripe.net> Hi Dave, Thanks for the information. Those projects you were mentioning seems to be quite useful for Internet community. As RIS Project, we like to contribute. But we would just like to mention that it's very important for us that the BGP data we provide is not used for other than research purpose or implementing new monitoring tools. Intentionally or accidently, that data should never be passed any of your peers. If that would happpen, it would put us into difficult situations. Please let us know if you can assure these conditions. Regards. Arife On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:52:00 -0600, Dave Deitrich wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > On Mar 24, 2005, at 4:01 AM, RIPE NCC RIS wrote: > > > As you may already know, we have rawdata available on RIS Web site. > > We collect BGP updates and the snaphost of RIB (3 times a day, bview > > files). I'm just wondering those RIB dumps will help you or not. If > > not, > > could you give us more detail what kind of applications you are > > planning > > to implement, and also which RRCs you like to peer with. > > Greetings RIPE, > > Thank you very much for your reply. Most of our scripts are geared > towards accepting data from live BGP feeds so we would generally prefer > direct peering over RIB snapshots. Also, we like to monitor for > anomalies on a near real-time basis so only seeing snapshot data 3 > times a day is not really ideal for our needs. > > We use the BGP data to track the stability of critical infrastructure, > such as the DNS root and gTLD name servers. One example of our > monitoring is available on our DNS page at the following URL: > > > > We will send out alerts to certain folks when notable events occur; for > example, when the actual BGP information does not match with the > expected BGP information for a particular root nameserver. We also use > the data to provide some interesting BGP statistics on our BGP > monitoring page. > > > > This includes the tracking of bogon prefixes, bogus ASNs, and a few > other statistics. > > > > > Mostly we use the data to provide free insight to the wider community. > This insight is both "push" and "pull," in that we send email alerts to > those who subscribe to an automated alert > service. This provides them with instant notification of bogon prefix > announcements, bogus ASN leakage, and prefix hijacking. > > Obviously with more BGP feeds we get a wider view of the internet and > are able to provide better insight to the Internet community. This is > why we have been contacting people and asking if we could peer with > them for visibility into their BGP data. If you are interested in > helping us we'd love to peer with as many RCCs as you're willing to > give us access to. > > If you have any additional questions please let us know. Thank you for > your consideration. > > - -- > DAVE DEITRICH > deitrich at cymru.com > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGP 8.1 > > iQA/AwUBQkmVx0iQQdywQH32EQLJJgCfUTBFRjDtcmyDJC3S2p5hDPKs42QAn3Jv > 8zCTRqsmVwQHIK2tyX++9oar > =FBbt > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From henk at ripe.net Thu Apr 7 07:55:50 2005 From: henk at ripe.net (Henk Uijterwaal) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 07:55:50 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] Re: RIPE50: Peering BoF In-Reply-To: <003101c53a1c$62f31400$0600a8c0@DELLLATTIIX> References: <003101c53a1c$62f31400$0600a8c0@DELLLATTIIX> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20050407075449.02c371e0@localhost> Hi all, See below, I think it'd be good if we asked for a slot to tell people what the RIS is and why they should peer with it. Any volunteers? Henk At 22:16 05/04/2005, Cara Mascini wrote: >North American Network Operators, > >Since quite a few of you are also attending the RIPE meetings Susan >though it would be a good idea for me to mention that a (European) >Peering BoF will take place in Stockholm at RIPE50 on Sunday 1st May >2005 and from 18.00 to around 21.00. > >The format will be fairly informal and provide interested parties with >an opportunity of presenting their peering policies to the participants >(in a set format). Time permitting, anyone expressing an interest in >presenting their policy will be given the opportunity to do so. > >Of course seeing the timing of the session there will be some food to >keep the participants happy. And no Peering BoF would be complete >without the mandatory free beer at the end of it which is brought to the >participants in the interests of "social networking" by a number of >European IXPs. > >Anyone interested can let me know by return whether you are >interested in attending/presenting. > >Regards, > >Cara Mascini ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Look here junior, don't you be so happy. And for Heaven's sake, don't you be so sad. (Tom Verlaine) From arife at ripe.net Thu Apr 7 11:21:14 2005 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 11:21:14 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] Re: RIPE50: Peering BoF In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20050407075449.02c371e0@localhost> References: <003101c53a1c$62f31400$0600a8c0@DELLLATTIIX> <6.2.0.14.2.20050407075449.02c371e0@localhost> Message-ID: <20050407092114.GA4798@ripe.net> > See below, I think it'd be good if we asked for a slot to tell people > what the RIS is and why they should peer with it. Any volunteers? Agree, it would be good to mention about RIS there. I would be a volunteer, if my manager would send me to RIPE meeting :-) Arife > Henk > > > At 22:16 05/04/2005, Cara Mascini wrote: > > > >North American Network Operators, > > > >Since quite a few of you are also attending the RIPE meetings Susan > >though it would be a good idea for me to mention that a (European) > >Peering BoF will take place in Stockholm at RIPE50 on Sunday 1st May > >2005 and from 18.00 to around 21.00. > > > >The format will be fairly informal and provide interested parties with > >an opportunity of presenting their peering policies to the participants > >(in a set format). Time permitting, anyone expressing an interest in > >presenting their policy will be given the opportunity to do so. > > > >Of course seeing the timing of the session there will be some food to > >keep the participants happy. And no Peering BoF would be complete > >without the mandatory free beer at the end of it which is brought to the > >participants in the interests of "social networking" by a number of > >European IXPs. > > > >Anyone interested can let me know by return whether you are > >interested in attending/presenting. > > > >Regards, > > > >Cara Mascini > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net > RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk > P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 > 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 > The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Look here junior, don't you be so happy. > And for Heaven's sake, don't you be so sad. (Tom Verlaine) From colitti at dia.uniroma3.it Thu Apr 7 11:23:55 2005 From: colitti at dia.uniroma3.it (Lorenzo Colitti) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 11:23:55 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] Re: RIPE50: Peering BoF In-Reply-To: <20050407092114.GA4798@ripe.net> References: <003101c53a1c$62f31400$0600a8c0@DELLLATTIIX> <6.2.0.14.2.20050407075449.02c371e0@localhost> <20050407092114.GA4798@ripe.net> Message-ID: <4254FC2B.6010105@dia.uniroma3.it> Arife Vural wrote: >>See below, I think it'd be good if we asked for a slot to tell people >>what the RIS is and why they should peer with it. Any volunteers? > > > Agree, it would be good to mention about RIS there. > > I would be a volunteer, if my manager would send me to RIPE meeting :-) Same here... ;-) Cheers, Lorenzo -- --------------------------------------------------------- Lorenzo Colitti Ph.D student Computer Networks research group Roma Tre University colitti at dia.uniroma3.it +39-0655173215 --------------------------------------------------------- From arife at ripe.net Thu Apr 7 12:00:42 2005 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 12:00:42 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] Re: RIPE50: Peering BoF In-Reply-To: <4254FC2B.6010105@dia.uniroma3.it> References: <003101c53a1c$62f31400$0600a8c0@DELLLATTIIX> <6.2.0.14.2.20050407075449.02c371e0@localhost> <20050407092114.GA4798@ripe.net> <4254FC2B.6010105@dia.uniroma3.it> Message-ID: <20050407100042.GC4798@ripe.net> > >>See below, I think it'd be good if we asked for a slot to tell people > >>what the RIS is and why they should peer with it. Any volunteers? > > > > > >Agree, it would be good to mention about RIS there. > > > >I would be a volunteer, if my manager would send me to RIPE meeting :-) > > Same here... ;-) :-) Had a short talked with Shane, Shane will do the presentation. Arife From arife at ripe.net Thu Apr 7 12:59:31 2005 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 12:59:31 +0200 Subject: [ugin@ripn.net: Re: [ris-int] Re: Installation CD for RRC13] In-Reply-To: <200504060858.j368wiet025992@birch.ripe.net> References: <20050126154849.GH28136@ripe.net> <200504060858.j368wiet025992@birch.ripe.net> Message-ID: <20050407105931.GE4798@ripe.net> Thanks for the update James. Please keep us updated for the progress. Arife > A quick update on rrc13... > > It seems that the disk image that Evgueni had was seriously broken. When he > sent me the transcript of the installation session it was apparent that there > were problems even _running_ the risinstall script. > > Last night I built a new image and tested the installation on a spare box here > (all went fine). This image is now on ftp.ripe.net for Evgueni to pick up. > > Let's see how this version goes... > > James From deitrich at cymru.com Tue Apr 12 00:19:41 2005 From: deitrich at cymru.com (Dave Deitrich) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 17:19:41 -0500 Subject: [ris-int] Re: NCC#2005030185 Request for BGP Data In-Reply-To: <200504060938.j369csXa021367@x12.ripe.net> References: <9c251485ff037119c294a661ebc8f84c@cymru.com> <200503241001.j2OA1ckf002304@x12.ripe.net> <200504060938.j369csXa021367@x12.ripe.net> Message-ID: <0ae7a099fddb0968493b11ab2a0ac54f@cymru.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Apr 6, 2005, at 4:38 AM, RIPE NCC RIS wrote: > Those projects you were mentioning seems to be quite useful for > Internet > community. As RIS Project, we like to contribute. But we would just > like > to mention that it's very important for us that the BGP data we provide > is not used for other than research purpose or implementing new > monitoring > tools. Intentionally or accidently, that data should never be passed > any > of your peers. If that would happpen, it would put us into difficult > situations. Greetings RIPE, We definitely understand your concerns. Many of our peers have similar conditions. All of our peering sessions for bgp data are configured with a standard peer-group that blocks all outbound advertisements. router bgp 65222 neighbor BGP-INCOMING peer-group neighbor BGP-INCOMING ebgp-multihop 200 neighbor BGP-INCOMING version 4 neighbor BGP-INCOMING soft-reconfiguration inbound neighbor BGP-INCOMING prefix-list block-all out [...] ! ip prefix-list block-all description Block all announcements ip prefix-list block-all seq 5 deny 0.0.0.0/0 le 32 We definitely guarantee that the data will never be redistributed without your permission. The data will be used solely for improving our Internet monitoring utilities. If you would like this guarantee in writing let me know and I'll try to arrange it. Thanks for your consideration. - -- DAVE DEITRICH deitrich at cymru.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 8.1 iQA/AwUBQlrp8UiQQdywQH32EQLNdwCfcSezPxrX3Li1/ot2dDZ+zbhImuMAoIxX 7D5Qc8oPo3QVcCLN2dYwNYqE =0CMn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sonia at ripe.net Tue Apr 12 17:34:36 2005 From: sonia at ripe.net (Sonia Garbi Gomez) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 17:34:36 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] NP Hardware for the garage sale Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20050412172509.0416a6c0@mailhost.ripe.net> At 11:17 AM 4/6/2005 +0200, Henk Uijterwaal (RIPE NCC) wrote: >Sonia, Hi Henk with a bit of luck this is the last mail on the hw for sale on the upcoming garage sale: 3. Celeron 333, 64 MB, +/- 1998, works - I need the specs (HD, CPU) ? > 4. TTec Cabinet - is this the former dual ripe.net server - broken or does it work? if it is broken: what is broken and what works? - I need the specs (RAM, HD, CPU) > 6. PE350, 1 of the machines from commit 200110011 - I think this is broken right? can you pls confirm then what is broken? ? - I need the specs (RAM, HD, CPU) > 7. Old RIS box, +/- 2001. Broken. - what is broken and what does work then? - I need the specs (RAM, HD, CPU) and as usual i need this asap :o) (ps. denk maar aan dat je deze spullen ook nooit meer wilt zien.. dus ik doe mijn best om deze te verkopen) >Henk > > >ps. Folks, if you recognize any of this hardware and it still servers a >function, please remove it. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net >RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk >P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 >1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 >The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Look here junior, don't you be so happy. >And for Heaven's sake, don't you be so sad. (Tom Verlaine) Sonia Garbi Gomez Purchase Officer RIPE NCC Phone: +31 20 535 43 34 Mobile: +31 6 55 17 17 89 Fax: +31 20 535 44 47 From henk at ripe.net Wed Apr 13 15:20:58 2005 From: henk at ripe.net (Henk Uijterwaal) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 15:20:58 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] Re: NP Hardware for the garage sale In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20050412172509.0416a6c0@mailhost.ripe.net> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20050412172509.0416a6c0@mailhost.ripe.net> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20050413151728.02cd7ae8@localhost> Sonia, >with a bit of luck this is the last mail on the hw for sale on the >upcoming garage sale: > > > 3. Celeron 333, 64 MB, +/- 1998, works >- I need the specs (HD, CPU) ? CPU: Celeron 333 MHz 2 HD's: 4 Gb and 2 Gb >> 4. TTec Cabinet > >- is this the former dual ripe.net server >- broken or does it work? if it is broken: what is broken and what works? >- I need the specs (RAM, HD, CPU) No, it is essentially an empty TTec box with a few usable parts (power supply, motherboard, CPU). CPU is Pentium II, no idea of clock rate, no disk, no memory. It does not boot. >> 6. PE350, 1 of the machines from commit 200110011 >- I think this is broken right? can you pls confirm then what is broken? ? >- I need the specs (RAM, HD, CPU) It fails to boot. Processor is a Celeron 700, 256 Mb memory, 20 Gb disk. >> 7. Old RIS box, +/- 2001. Broken. > >- what is broken and what does work then? >- I need the specs (RAM, HD, CPU) This box is completely broken. 500 MHz pentium. SCSI disk. Henk >and as usual i need this asap :o) >(ps. denk maar aan dat je deze spullen ook nooit meer wilt zien.. dus ik >doe mijn best om deze te verkopen) > > > > > > >>Henk >> >> >>ps. Folks, if you recognize any of this hardware and it still servers a >>function, please remove it. >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net >>RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk >>P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 >>1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 >>The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 >>------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>Look here junior, don't you be so happy. >>And for Heaven's sake, don't you be so sad. (Tom Verlaine) > >Sonia Garbi Gomez >Purchase Officer >RIPE NCC >Phone: +31 20 535 43 34 >Mobile: +31 6 55 17 17 89 >Fax: +31 20 535 44 47 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Look here junior, don't you be so happy. And for Heaven's sake, don't you be so sad. (Tom Verlaine) From james at ripe.net Thu Apr 14 15:57:19 2005 From: james at ripe.net (James Aldridge) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 15:57:19 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] Re: Installation CD for RRC13 In-Reply-To: Message from James Aldridge of "Wed, 06 Apr 2005 10:58:44 +0200." Message-ID: <200504141357.j3EDvJet012016@birch.ripe.net> James Aldridge wrote: > A quick update on rrc13... > > It seems that the disk image that Evgueni had was seriously broken. When he > sent me the transcript of the installation session it was apparent that there > were problems even _running_ the risinstall script. > > Last night I built a new image and tested the installation on a spare box her e > (all went fine). This image is now on ftp.ripe.net for Evgueni to pick up. > > Let's see how this version goes... That version of the CD seems to have worked quite nicely. Rrc13 is now installed and running (although with console access only ATM as there seem to be some routing issues for RIPN to sort out). As soon as the routinig issues are resolved I will sync the latest software/configueration to the box and we can continue with bringing the RRC online. It should all be ready in time for RIPE-50... I've also asked Evgueni if he can provide us with the IP address and netmaskk we should use on the second ethernet which will connect to the MSK-IX. James From arife at ripe.net Thu Apr 14 16:01:05 2005 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:01:05 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] Re: Installation CD for RRC13 In-Reply-To: <200504141357.j3EDvJet012016@birch.ripe.net> References: <200504141357.j3EDvJet012016@birch.ripe.net> Message-ID: <20050414140105.GV14129@ripe.net> > > It seems that the disk image that Evgueni had was seriously broken. When he > > sent me the transcript of the installation session it was apparent that there > > were problems even _running_ the risinstall script. > > > > Last night I built a new image and tested the installation on a spare box her > e > > (all went fine). This image is now on ftp.ripe.net for Evgueni to pick up. > > > > Let's see how this version goes... > > That version of the CD seems to have worked quite nicely. Rrc13 is now > installed and running (although with console access only ATM as there seem to > be some routing issues for RIPN to sort out). As soon as the routinig issues > are resolved I will sync the latest software/configueration to the box and we > can continue with bringing the RRC online. It should all be ready in time for > RIPE-50... Hurraaaaaaaaaa .... :) Arife > > I've also asked Evgueni if he can provide us with the IP address and netmaskk > we should use on the second ethernet which will connect to the MSK-IX. > > James From james at ripe.net Thu Apr 14 17:13:42 2005 From: james at ripe.net (James Aldridge) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 17:13:42 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] Re: Installation CD for RRC13 In-Reply-To: Message from Arife Vural of "Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:01:05 +0200." <20050414140105.GV14129@ripe.net> Message-ID: <200504141513.j3EFDget007599@birch.ripe.net> Arife Vural wrote: > Hurraaaaaaaaaa .... :) There's still some MySQL stuff to configure (users, replication, etc.). Can you do that, Arife? eth1 on the MSK-IX has IP address 193.232.244.114 (not yet in the ripe.net zone file for rrc13) Once mysql is setup and dbinsert running, I guess we should go out and get some peers configured... James From arife at ripe.net Thu Apr 14 17:31:30 2005 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 17:31:30 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] Re: Installation CD for RRC13 In-Reply-To: <200504141513.j3EFDget007599@birch.ripe.net> References: <20050414140105.GV14129@ripe.net> <200504141513.j3EFDget007599@birch.ripe.net> Message-ID: <20050414153130.GW14129@ripe.net> > Arife Vural wrote: > > Hurraaaaaaaaaa .... :) Sure, will look at it tomorrow. Arife > > There's still some MySQL stuff to configure (users, replication, etc.). Can > you do that, Arife? > > eth1 on the MSK-IX has IP address 193.232.244.114 (not yet in the ripe.net > zone file for rrc13) > > Once mysql is setup and dbinsert running, I guess we should go out and get > some peers configured... > > James From arife at ripe.net Fri Apr 15 11:21:31 2005 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:21:31 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] RIS status presentation at RIPE50 Message-ID: <20050415092131.GB30734@ripe.net> Hi guys, I have those items for the presentation, please let me know if you have additional items. Updates: - rrc13 & rrc14 are online - IPv6 search is enabled - RIS integration into SED & OPS - New Beacon Prefix Lorenzo, do you have anything to add here? AS-set studying you are working? Future plans: - myASN - RIS performance Arife From daniel.karrenberg at ripe.net Fri Apr 15 11:53:58 2005 From: daniel.karrenberg at ripe.net (Daniel Karrenberg) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:53:58 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] RIS status presentation at RIPE50 In-Reply-To: <20050415092131.GB30734@ripe.net> References: <20050415092131.GB30734@ripe.net> Message-ID: <20050415095358.GC7352@reifer.karrenberg.net> I have submitted the anycast paper which is based on RIS data and BGPLAY. On 15.04 11:21, Arife Vural wrote: > > Hi guys, > > I have those items for the presentation, please let me know if you have > additional items. > > Updates: > > - rrc13 & rrc14 are online > - IPv6 search is enabled > - RIS integration into SED & OPS > - New Beacon Prefix > > Lorenzo, do you have anything to add here? AS-set studying you are > working? > > Future plans: > > - myASN > - RIS performance > > Arife From arife at ripe.net Fri Apr 15 12:09:55 2005 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 12:09:55 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] RIS status presentation at RIPE50 In-Reply-To: <20050415095358.GC7352@reifer.karrenberg.net> References: <20050415092131.GB30734@ripe.net> <20050415095358.GC7352@reifer.karrenberg.net> Message-ID: <20050415100955.GD30734@ripe.net> > I have submitted the anycast paper which is based on RIS data and BGPLAY. > Is paper online somewhere? Arife > On 15.04 11:21, Arife Vural wrote: > > > > Hi guys, > > > > I have those items for the presentation, please let me know if you have > > additional items. > > > > Updates: > > > > - rrc13 & rrc14 are online > > - IPv6 search is enabled > > - RIS integration into SED & OPS > > - New Beacon Prefix > > > > Lorenzo, do you have anything to add here? AS-set studying you are > > working? > > > > Future plans: > > > > - myASN > > - RIS performance > > > > Arife From daniel.karrenberg at ripe.net Fri Apr 15 13:12:00 2005 From: daniel.karrenberg at ripe.net (Daniel Karrenberg) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:12:00 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] RIS status presentation at RIPE50 In-Reply-To: <20050415100955.GD30734@ripe.net> References: <20050415092131.GB30734@ripe.net> <20050415095358.GC7352@reifer.karrenberg.net> <20050415100955.GD30734@ripe.net> Message-ID: <20050415111200.GD7352@reifer.karrenberg.net> On 15.04 12:09, Arife Vural wrote: > > > I have submitted the anycast paper which is based on RIS data and BGPLAY. > > > > Is paper online somewhere? Just a slide set: http://www.ripe.net/dfk/anycast-stability.pdf (or .ppt if your pdf viewer does not show the "movies" well) From henk at ripe.net Mon Apr 18 14:11:21 2005 From: henk at ripe.net (Henk Uijterwaal) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 14:11:21 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] RIS status presentation at RIPE50 In-Reply-To: <20050415092131.GB30734@ripe.net> References: <20050415092131.GB30734@ripe.net> Message-ID: <6.2.0.14.2.20050418141042.02d03bd0@localhost> At 11:21 15/04/2005, Arife Vural wrote: >Hi guys, > >I have those items for the presentation, please let me know if you have >additional items. > >Updates: > >- rrc13 & rrc14 are online >- IPv6 search is enabled >- RIS integration into SED & OPS >- New Beacon Prefix > >Lorenzo, do you have anything to add here? AS-set studying you are >working? > >Future plans: > >- myASN >- RIS performance Can you add a pointer to IDRWS? Sort of "its there, if you happen to be here on Fri/Sat and want to join, talk to me". Henk >Arife ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Look here junior, don't you be so happy. And for Heaven's sake, don't you be so sad. (Tom Verlaine) From arife at ripe.net Tue Apr 19 22:19:28 2005 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 22:19:28 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] RIS status presentation at RIPE50 In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20050418141042.02d03bd0@localhost> References: <20050415092131.GB30734@ripe.net> <6.2.0.14.2.20050418141042.02d03bd0@localhost> Message-ID: <20050419201928.GB2682@ripe.net> Hi guys, I put RIS presentations at /spool/arife/presentations. Please have a look at them and let me know if you have any comments. Some slides need few slight changes or work. I will look at them when I get back. Mentioned IDWRS as well in RIS status presentation. Arife From henk at ripe.net Wed Apr 20 11:14:26 2005 From: henk at ripe.net (Henk Uijterwaal) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 11:14:26 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] RIS status presentation at RIPE50 In-Reply-To: <20050419201928.GB2682@ripe.net> References: <20050415092131.GB30734@ripe.net> <6.2.0.14.2.20050418141042.02d03bd0@localhost> <20050419201928.GB2682@ripe.net> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050420111416.02c3ac68@localhost> At 22:19 19/04/2005, Arife Vural wrote: >Hi guys, > >I put RIS presentations at /spool/arife/presentations. Please have a look >at them and let me know if you have any comments. Some slides need few >slight changes or work. I will look at them when I get back. Looks fine to me, H. >Mentioned IDWRS as well in RIS status presentation. > >Arife ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Look here junior, don't you be so happy. And for Heaven's sake, don't you be so sad. (Tom Verlaine) From ris-request at ripe.net Wed Apr 20 13:15:08 2005 From: ris-request at ripe.net (RIPE NCC RIS) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 13:15:08 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] NCC#2005041974 Multi-Hop session in RRC0 Message-ID: <200504201115.j3KBF8KZ018119@x45.ripe.net> Hello all, Concerning this request from a user, the only option would be to establish a multi-hop BGP session in RRC0. What are normally the requisites for configuring multi-hop sessions in RRC0? Is it something that we would like to encourage to users, when there is no common location, or should this be restricted to special peering cases? Thanks, Vasco ----- Begin forwarded message ----- Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 13:06:05 +0200 From: Ond?ej Sur? To: rispeering at ripe.net Subject: NCC#2005041974 PeeringRequest Message-Id: <1113822365.18520.5.camel at localhost.localdomain> Hello, we are not present in any RIS peering locations. Could we establish BGP4 session anyway? Currently we are present only in Czech NIX. Kind regards, -- Ond?ej Sur? technick? ?editel =========================================== ACTIVE 24 - http://active24.cz (d??ve Globe Internet) SERVERY.CZ - server / web hosting DOMENY.CZ - nejvetsi registrator CZ domen SOLUTIONS.ACTIVE24.CZ - online marketing =========================================== Pl?ni?kova 1, 162 00 Praha 6, http://mapa.active24.cz mail: sury.ondrej at active24.cz Tel: +420 235 365 000 Ext.: 205 Fax: +420 235 365 009 ------ End forwarded message ------ -- From wilhelm at ripe.net Thu Apr 28 01:55:17 2005 From: wilhelm at ripe.net (Rene Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 01:55:17 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] FYI: ASN Missing in Action write up Message-ID: <200504272355.j3RNtHet010502@birch.ripe.net> See: http://rene.amsterdamned.org/ris/asnmia.html This contains more or less the story I want to tell next monday in RIPE50. Slides will be distilled from this text in the coming days, all graphs will be shown. Comments welcome. I started the write up to help me organize my thoughts and provide more background information of the graphs to Henk. Perhaps it's an idea to polish it up following ripe50 and publish on the RIS or RIPE website? -- Rene From henk at ripe.net Fri Apr 29 10:51:37 2005 From: henk at ripe.net (Henk Uijterwaal) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 10:51:37 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] FYI: ASN Missing in Action write up In-Reply-To: <200504272355.j3RNtHet010502@birch.ripe.net> References: <200504272355.j3RNtHet010502@birch.ripe.net> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050429104338.02c2a438@localhost> Rene, >Perhaps it's an idea to polish it up following ripe50 and >publish on the RIS or RIPE website? Yes, we should. I've been thinking about this and I think we should put this in self-contained report that we can give out to interested people, probably as an informational RIPE document (so one can easily point to it). That means taking your text and graphs, add an introduction to it, separate "facts" and "models" somewhat, and expand the conclusion section a bit. For the contents, your text would be a great starting point. For the rest of the text, I do have some ideas but no time to work on it now. I will give it a shot after RIPE50. Henk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Look here junior, don't you be so happy. And for Heaven's sake, don't you be so sad. (Tom Verlaine) From wilhelm at ripe.net Fri Apr 29 15:59:43 2005 From: wilhelm at ripe.net (Rene Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:59:43 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] FYI: ASN Missing in Action write up In-Reply-To: Message from Henk Uijterwaal of "Fri, 29 Apr 2005 10:51:37 +0200." <6.2.1.2.2.20050429104338.02c2a438@localhost> Message-ID: <200504291359.j3TDxhet026673@birch.ripe.net> Henk, > >Perhaps it's an idea to polish it up following ripe50 and > >publish on the RIS or RIPE website? > > Yes, we should. > > I've been thinking about this and I think we should put this in > self-contained report that we can give out to interested people, probably > as an informational RIPE document (so one can easily point to it). OK, so for current requests on info on ASN assignment rate (Filiz is in contact with a customer about this) we refer to the slides of monday's talk which will be on the web; the current draft is kept internal and we work towards a full document after RIPE50. -- Rene