From arife at ripe.net Mon Aug 2 10:45:10 2004 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 10:45:10 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] ziya is ris-int from now on. Message-ID: <20040802084510.GG5450@ripe.net> All in subject. From arife at ripe.net Mon Aug 2 12:18:32 2004 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 12:18:32 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] myASn admin doc draft In-Reply-To: <200407282215.i6SMFDVN007096@birch.ripe.net> References: <200407282215.i6SMFDVN007096@birch.ripe.net> Message-ID: <20040802101832.GJ5450@ripe.net> Hi Alexis, I put this doc on SED internal WEB site, and added the parts that my name was written. Thanks for also putting adding usernames. I will send username/password for SED internal WEB site by another e-mail. URL, http://iii.ripe.net/sed/twiki/bin/view/Doc/RIS Arife From henk at ripe.net Tue Aug 3 20:13:29 2004 From: henk at ripe.net (Henk Uijterwaal (RIPE NCC)) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 20:13:29 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [ris-int] new features In-Reply-To: <200407311454.i6VEsgBq022178@birch.ripe.net> References: <200407311454.i6VEsgBq022178@birch.ripe.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 31 Jul 2004, Alexis Yushin wrote: > Hi, > > I finished xml.html please try it out, the templates are now > provided in the form. I also have an experimental version of retromatch > but it still needs some premission granting action from Arife. > > Everything else that was on the wish-list is finished, plus > some extra's like myasn-admin delete to delete an entire registry > and deleting all alarms in a group. I'm pretty much done. > > Since the project is finished, as far as my contract is concerned, I'd > like to invite everybody to have a Columbus beer with me at 't IJ > brewery. Suggestions for a specific date? Not this week (in San Diego), next week would be great. Henk > > Alexis > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Process and Procedure are the last hiding place of people without the wit and wisdom to do their job properly. (David Brent). From arife at ripe.net Wed Aug 4 10:19:40 2004 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:19:40 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] new features In-Reply-To: References: <200407311454.i6VEsgBq022178@birch.ripe.net> Message-ID: <20040804081940.GO28459@ripe.net> > > Not this week (in San Diego), next week would be great. Next Wed, after work? Arife From alexis at ripe.net Wed Aug 4 14:06:02 2004 From: alexis at ripe.net (Alexis Yushin) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 14:06:02 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [ris-int] new features In-Reply-To: from "Henk Uijterwaal (RIPE NCC)" at Aug 03, 2004 08:13:29 PM Message-ID: <200408041206.i74C62hc009294@birch.ripe.net> I'm leaving to Ukraine Friday until 19th... How about the week of 23rd? Alexis Once "Henk Uijterwaal (RIPE NCC)" wrote: >On Sat, 31 Jul 2004, Alexis Yushin wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I finished xml.html please try it out, the templates are now >> provided in the form. I also have an experimental version of retromatch >> but it still needs some premission granting action from Arife. >> >> Everything else that was on the wish-list is finished, plus >> some extra's like myasn-admin delete to delete an entire registry >> and deleting all alarms in a group. I'm pretty much done. >> >> Since the project is finished, as far as my contract is concerned, I'd >> like to invite everybody to have a Columbus beer with me at 't IJ >> brewery. Suggestions for a specific date? > >Not this week (in San Diego), next week would be great. > >Henk > > > >> >> Alexis >> > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net >RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk >P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 >1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 >The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Process and Procedure are the last hiding place of people without the wit >and wisdom to do their job properly. (David Brent). > From alexis at ripe.net Wed Aug 4 14:59:53 2004 From: alexis at ripe.net (Alexis Yushin) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 14:59:53 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [ris-int] contact information Message-ID: <200408041302.i74D2VC4029708@birch.ripe.net> Hi, In case anyone needs to reach me after I'm done here: Alexis Yushin White Willow +31 65 427 0754 +31 20 670 7748 alexis at ww.net Alexis From matthew at ripe.net Wed Aug 4 16:21:05 2004 From: matthew at ripe.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:21:05 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] new features In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001401c47a2e$4747d230$1f0200c1@rockstar> So Wed 25th? > -----Original Message----- > From: ris-int-admin at ripe.net [mailto:ris-int-admin at ripe.net] > On Behalf Of Henk Uijterwaal (RIPE NCC) > Sent: 03 August 2004 20:13 > To: Alexis Yushin > Cc: ris-int at ripe.net > Subject: Re: [ris-int] new features > > > On Sat, 31 Jul 2004, Alexis Yushin wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I finished xml.html please try it out, the templates are > now provided > > in the form. I also have an experimental version of > retromatch but it > > still needs some premission granting action from Arife. > > > > Everything else that was on the wish-list is finished, plus some > > extra's like myasn-admin delete to delete an entire registry and > > deleting all alarms in a group. I'm pretty much done. > > > > Since the project is finished, as far as my contract is > concerned, I'd > > like to invite everybody to have a Columbus beer with me at 't IJ > > brewery. Suggestions for a specific date? > > Not this week (in San Diego), next week would be great. > > Henk > > > > > > > Alexis > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------- > Henk Uijterwaal Email: > henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net > RIPE Network Coordination Centre > http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk > P.O.Box 10096 > Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 > 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 > The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------------- > > Process and Procedure are the last hiding place of people > without the wit > and wisdom to do their job properly. > (David Brent). > From arife at ripe.net Wed Aug 4 16:34:54 2004 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:34:54 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] new features In-Reply-To: <001401c47a2e$4747d230$1f0200c1@rockstar> References: <001401c47a2e$4747d230$1f0200c1@rockstar> Message-ID: <20040804143454.GC28459@ripe.net> > So Wed 25th? I'm not in that week. What about 1st of Sep? Arife From matthew at ripe.net Wed Aug 4 16:36:41 2004 From: matthew at ripe.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:36:41 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] new features In-Reply-To: <20040804143454.GC28459@ripe.net> Message-ID: <001601c47a30$74f66460$1f0200c1@rockstar> Gone with the wind to .ca > -----Original Message----- > From: ris-int-admin at ripe.net [mailto:ris-int-admin at ripe.net] > On Behalf Of Arife Vural > Sent: 04 August 2004 16:35 > To: Matthew Williams > Cc: 'Alexis Yushin'; ris-int at ripe.net; 'Henk Uijterwaal (RIPE NCC)' > Subject: Re: [ris-int] new features > > > > > > So Wed 25th? > > I'm not in that week. What about 1st of Sep? > > Arife > From arife at ripe.net Wed Aug 4 16:47:09 2004 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 16:47:09 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] new features In-Reply-To: <001601c47a30$74f66460$1f0200c1@rockstar> References: <20040804143454.GC28459@ripe.net> <001601c47a30$74f66460$1f0200c1@rockstar> Message-ID: <20040804144709.GD28459@ripe.net> > Gone with the wind to .ca :-) it looks it's not possible to find time that suits to everyone. you can go for 25th. arife > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ris-int-admin at ripe.net [mailto:ris-int-admin at ripe.net] > > On Behalf Of Arife Vural > > Sent: 04 August 2004 16:35 > > To: Matthew Williams > > Cc: 'Alexis Yushin'; ris-int at ripe.net; 'Henk Uijterwaal (RIPE NCC)' > > Subject: Re: [ris-int] new features > > > > > > > > > > > So Wed 25th? > > > > I'm not in that week. What about 1st of Sep? > > > > Arife > > From matthew at ripe.net Wed Aug 4 17:24:14 2004 From: matthew at ripe.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:24:14 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] new features In-Reply-To: <20040804144709.GD28459@ripe.net> Message-ID: <002001c47a37$19669640$1f0200c1@rockstar> I'm around until the 29/30th. > -----Original Message----- > From: ris-int-admin at ripe.net [mailto:ris-int-admin at ripe.net] > On Behalf Of Arife Vural > Sent: 04 August 2004 16:47 > To: Matthew Williams > Cc: 'Alexis Yushin'; ris-int at ripe.net; 'Henk Uijterwaal (RIPE NCC)' > Subject: Re: [ris-int] new features > > > > > Gone with the wind to .ca > > :-) > > it looks it's not possible to find time that suits to > everyone. you can go for 25th. > > arife > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: ris-int-admin at ripe.net [mailto:ris-int-admin at ripe.net] > > > On Behalf Of Arife Vural > > > Sent: 04 August 2004 16:35 > > > To: Matthew Williams > > > Cc: 'Alexis Yushin'; ris-int at ripe.net; 'Henk Uijterwaal > (RIPE NCC)' > > > Subject: Re: [ris-int] new features > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So Wed 25th? > > > > > > I'm not in that week. What about 1st of Sep? > > > > > > Arife > > > > From arife at ripe.net Wed Aug 4 17:36:10 2004 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 17:36:10 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] new features In-Reply-To: <002001c47a37$19669640$1f0200c1@rockstar> References: <20040804144709.GD28459@ripe.net> <002001c47a37$19669640$1f0200c1@rockstar> Message-ID: <20040804153610.GF28459@ripe.net> 30th is fine with me or if everyone makes the company outing we will have beer there. arife On Wed, Aug 04, 2004 at 05:24:14PM +0200, Matthew Williams wrote: > I'm around until the 29/30th. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ris-int-admin at ripe.net [mailto:ris-int-admin at ripe.net] > > On Behalf Of Arife Vural > > Sent: 04 August 2004 16:47 > > To: Matthew Williams > > Cc: 'Alexis Yushin'; ris-int at ripe.net; 'Henk Uijterwaal (RIPE NCC)' > > Subject: Re: [ris-int] new features > > > > > > > > > Gone with the wind to .ca > > > > :-) > > > > it looks it's not possible to find time that suits to > > everyone. you can go for 25th. > > > > arife > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: ris-int-admin at ripe.net [mailto:ris-int-admin at ripe.net] > > > > On Behalf Of Arife Vural > > > > Sent: 04 August 2004 16:35 > > > > To: Matthew Williams > > > > Cc: 'Alexis Yushin'; ris-int at ripe.net; 'Henk Uijterwaal > > (RIPE NCC)' > > > > Subject: Re: [ris-int] new features > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So Wed 25th? > > > > > > > > I'm not in that week. What about 1st of Sep? > > > > > > > > Arife > > > > > > From henk at ripe.net Wed Aug 4 18:10:06 2004 From: henk at ripe.net (Henk Uijterwaal (RIPE NCC)) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:10:06 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [ris-int] new features In-Reply-To: <20040804144709.GD28459@ripe.net> References: <20040804143454.GC28459@ripe.net> <001601c47a30$74f66460$1f0200c1@rockstar> <20040804144709.GD28459@ripe.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Aug 2004, Arife Vural wrote: > > > Gone with the wind to .ca > > :-) > > it looks it's not possible to find time that suits to everyone. > you can go for 25th. I suggest that we take the earliest slot when some of us can attend, then find an excuse to go for another beer another time. Henk > > arife > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: ris-int-admin at ripe.net [mailto:ris-int-admin at ripe.net] > > > On Behalf Of Arife Vural > > > Sent: 04 August 2004 16:35 > > > To: Matthew Williams > > > Cc: 'Alexis Yushin'; ris-int at ripe.net; 'Henk Uijterwaal (RIPE NCC)' > > > Subject: Re: [ris-int] new features > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So Wed 25th? > > > > > > I'm not in that week. What about 1st of Sep? > > > > > > Arife > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Process and Procedure are the last hiding place of people without the wit and wisdom to do their job properly. (David Brent). From matthew at ripe.net Wed Aug 4 19:19:23 2004 From: matthew at ripe.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 19:19:23 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] New Ris pages Message-ID: <002b01c47a47$2fab03e0$1f0200c1@rockstar> http://www4.ripe.net/projects/ris/ Shall we have a look together before this is made official? A lot has improved but some of the text still needs revising... Cheers, Matthew --- > Matthew Williams (MW243-RIPE) > Customer Liaison Engineer > RIPE NCC - http://www.ripe.net/np/ From arife at ripe.net Wed Aug 4 22:12:50 2004 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 22:12:50 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] New Ris pages In-Reply-To: <002b01c47a47$2fab03e0$1f0200c1@rockstar> References: <002b01c47a47$2fab03e0$1f0200c1@rockstar> Message-ID: <20040804201250.GA18637@ripe.net> > http://www4.ripe.net/projects/ris/ > > Shall we have a look together before this is made official? A lot has improved but some of the text still needs revising... > That would be great! Can you set something on Ctime next week? Arife > Cheers, > Matthew > > --- > > Matthew Williams (MW243-RIPE) > > Customer Liaison Engineer > > RIPE NCC - http://www.ripe.net/np/ From alexis at ripe.net Wed Aug 4 23:54:11 2004 From: alexis at ripe.net (Alexis Yushin) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 23:54:11 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [ris-int] new features In-Reply-To: <001401c47a2e$4747d230$1f0200c1@rockstar> from "Matthew Williams" at Aug 04, 2004 04:21:05 PM Message-ID: <200408042154.i74LsBvF025020@birch.ripe.net> Once Matthew Williams wrote: >So Wed 25th? Either way :) Alexis From webmaster at ripe.net Thu Aug 5 09:08:08 2004 From: webmaster at ripe.net (RIPE NCC Webmaster) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 09:08:08 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] Re: New Ris pages In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 04 Aug 2004 19:19:23 +0200. <002b01c47a47$2fab03e0$1f0200c1@rockstar> References: <002b01c47a47$2fab03e0$1f0200c1@rockstar> Message-ID: <200408050708.i75788W7001733@birch.ripe.net> Jeroen is on leave until August 24 and so any changes that are needed for the 'new' site will be tended to after that date, but feel free to let us have any revisions ahead of this. Adrian "Matthew Williams" writes: * http://www4.ripe.net/projects/ris/ * * Shall we have a look together before this is made official? A lot has improv * ed but some of the text still needs revising... * * Cheers, * Matthew * * --- * > Matthew Williams (MW243-RIPE) * > Customer Liaison Engineer * > RIPE NCC - http://www.ripe.net/np/ * From arife at ripe.net Thu Aug 5 09:46:47 2004 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 09:46:47 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] Re: New Ris pages In-Reply-To: <200408050708.i75788W7001733@birch.ripe.net> References: <002b01c47a47$2fab03e0$1f0200c1@rockstar> <200408050708.i75788W7001733@birch.ripe.net> Message-ID: <20040805074646.GA6996@ripe.net> Hi Adrian, We'll mostly gonna do the changes on the content of new RIS webpages. Me and Matthew can update those files. Probably, we will not bother you guys that much. Arife > Jeroen is on leave until August 24 and so any changes that are needed for the 'new' site will be tended to after that date, but feel free to let us have any revisions ahead of this. > > Adrian > > > "Matthew Williams" writes: > * http://www4.ripe.net/projects/ris/ > * > * Shall we have a look together before this is made official? A lot has improv > * ed but some of the text still needs revising... > * > * Cheers, > * Matthew > * > * --- > * > Matthew Williams (MW243-RIPE) > * > Customer Liaison Engineer > * > RIPE NCC - http://www.ripe.net/np/ > * From webmaster at ripe.net Thu Aug 5 10:34:48 2004 From: webmaster at ripe.net (RIPE NCC Webmaster) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2004 10:34:48 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] Re: New Ris pages In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 05 Aug 2004 09:46:47 +0200. <20040805074646.GA6996@ripe.net> References: <20040805074646.GA6996@ripe.net> Message-ID: <200408050834.i758YmW7031774@birch.ripe.net> Thanks Arife If you need us though, you know where we are.... A Arife Vural writes: * * Hi Adrian, * * We'll mostly gonna do the changes on the content of new RIS webpages. Me * and Matthew can update those files. Probably, we will not bother you guys * that much. * * Arife * * > Jeroen is on leave until August 24 and so any changes that are needed for * the 'new' site will be tended to after that date, but feel free to let us ha * ve any revisions ahead of this. * > * > Adrian * > * > * > "Matthew Williams" writes: * > * http://www4.ripe.net/projects/ris/ * > * * > * Shall we have a look together before this is made official? A lot has i * mprov * > * ed but some of the text still needs revising... * > * * > * Cheers, * > * Matthew * > * * > * --- * > * > Matthew Williams (MW243-RIPE) * > * > Customer Liaison Engineer * > * > RIPE NCC - http://www.ripe.net/np/ * > * * From matthew at ripe.net Thu Aug 5 15:22:48 2004 From: matthew at ripe.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2004 15:22:48 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] new features In-Reply-To: <200408042154.i74LsBvF025020@birch.ripe.net> Message-ID: <000701c47aef$4d6edca0$aaa8a8c0@rockstar> Let's do 25th then. Cheers, Matthew > -----Original Message----- > From: ris-int-admin at ripe.net [mailto:ris-int-admin at ripe.net] > On Behalf Of Alexis Yushin > Sent: 04 August 2004 23:54 > To: Matthew Williams > Cc: 'Alexis Yushin'; ris-int at ripe.net; "'Henk Uijterwaal (RIPE NCC)'" > Subject: Re: [ris-int] new features > > > Once Matthew Williams wrote: > >So Wed 25th? > > Either way :) > > Alexis > From matthew at ripe.net Fri Aug 6 14:39:25 2004 From: matthew at ripe.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:39:25 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] SIX vs PAIX Message-ID: <000401c47bb2$68897310$1f0200c1@rockstar> Pretty easy choice. Only concern is Route-Views presence. Cheers, Matthew SeattleIX: ---------- ~80 members (only ~40 core, ~10 connected via PAIX - incl WoodyNet and PCH, 7 listed 'not yet'?) Only 5 potential IPv6 peers of which only two listed as 'core' Only interesting if hosts offer transit Logistically slightly more problematic 'We don't know them' Potential Peers: http://www.seattleix.net/participants.htm Palo Alto IX: ------------- 130+ (many Asian providers) 10 potential IPv6 peers ISC, IIJ and Tiscali there (transit) Route-Views already there, however, they did go the LINX even though we were present 'Vixie and Damas connection useful' Potential Peers: http://www.switchanddata.com/Solutions/PAIX/Customers/PaloAlto/ From arife at ripe.net Mon Aug 9 10:00:00 2004 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 10:00:00 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] RIS meeting in 5 minutes! Message-ID: <20040809080000.GB30174@ripe.net> From matthew at ripe.net Mon Aug 9 11:27:47 2004 From: matthew at ripe.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 11:27:47 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] myASn acc's Message-ID: <000101c47df3$21d10d50$1f0200c1@rockstar> Hi Arife, As agreed, please ticketize these requests. Cheers, Matthew From arife at ripe.net Mon Aug 9 11:54:01 2004 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 11:54:01 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] Notes from today's RIS meeting Message-ID: <20040809095401.GE30174@ripe.net> Hi all, I tried to compile what we have discussed today in RIS meeting. Any comments/feedbacks are welcome. Arife -- - Matthew is in touch with Elena, from Moscow about installation of new RRCs. It's gonna be installed around 6 weeks. Matthew will also get IP address for the box and will pass to Bruce to burn new installation CDs. - Henk is in touch with George Michealson and Akira Kato about getting new peers at Tokyo. - Matthew made some changes on MyASN getting started docs, Arife will read and get back to Matthew if she has any questions or comments about it. - Arife and Matthew will get some usage stats about myASN usage to get an idea about the hardware requirements of - Putting a RRC box in Dubai is out of questions. Egypt might be an option, but we will gonna wait how AFRINIC project goes. - Arife will contact with Vixie and Damas about putting RRC08 to PAIX. From arife at ripe.net Mon Aug 9 12:46:20 2004 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 12:46:20 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] Re: myASn acc's In-Reply-To: <000101c47df3$21d10d50$1f0200c1@rockstar> References: <000101c47df3$21d10d50$1f0200c1@rockstar> Message-ID: <20040809104620.GG30174@ripe.net> > > As agreed, please ticketize these requests. Now, they are ticketized. Vasco is not in today, I will explain him the procedure tomorrow when he gets back. Arife > > Cheers, > Matthew From matthew at ripe.net Mon Aug 9 14:02:56 2004 From: matthew at ripe.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 14:02:56 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] Re: myASn acc's In-Reply-To: <20040809104620.GG30174@ripe.net> Message-ID: <001701c47e08$ce6d8a60$1f0200c1@rockstar> There should not be any pending requests right now. Cheers, Matthew > -----Original Message----- > From: ris-int-admin at ripe.net [mailto:ris-int-admin at ripe.net] > On Behalf Of Arife Vural > Sent: 09 August 2004 12:46 > To: Matthew Williams > Cc: ris-int at ripe.net > Subject: [ris-int] Re: myASn acc's > > > > > > > As agreed, please ticketize these requests. > > Now, they are ticketized. Vasco is not in today, I will > explain him the procedure tomorrow when he gets back. > > Arife > > > > > Cheers, > > Matthew > From arife at ripe.net Mon Aug 9 15:03:34 2004 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 15:03:34 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] RIPE NCC RIS box @ PAIX Message-ID: <20040809130334.GB7922@ripe.net> Hi Joao, Paul, My name is Arife Vural. I'm working as Network Engineer for RIPE NCC RIS (Routing Information Service) Project. We have remote route collectors around the world to collect BGP routing data. Lately, the box we have at MAE-West is not as functional as we aimed. We could not get enough peers there. Because of that we are looking for a new place for RRC box on West coast. PAIX looks like a good choice for us by looking at number of members and also network infrastructure. We are just wondering whether you would help us to locate RIS box at PAIX. To do this, we would need help at the beginning to install the box and do the network connection. Other than that, we also need a transit provider to reach the box. I'll be appreciated if you could get back to us whether you could help or not about relocating the RIS box at PAIX. Kind regards. Arife From matthew at ripe.net Tue Aug 10 18:59:53 2004 From: matthew at ripe.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:59:53 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/mail-archives/ Message-ID: <005401c47efb$750ca2f0$1f0200c1@rockstar> Hi Webbies, Please get rid of myastesting. I believe myasntesting cross-references it (please verify). http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/mail-archives/ Cheers, Matthew --- > Matthew Williams (MW243-RIPE) > Customer Liaison Engineer > RIPE NCC - http://www.ripe.net/np/ From matthew at ripe.net Wed Aug 11 02:45:43 2004 From: matthew at ripe.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 02:45:43 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] myASn documentation Message-ID: <009e01c47f3c$88c25920$aaa8a8c0@rockstar> Hi All, Please check: http://www.ris.ripe.net/myasn/help.html & http://www.ris.ripe.net/myasn/faq.html U: ris at 12654 PW: risops And comment... Cheers, Matthew --- > Matthew Williams (MW243-RIPE) > Customer Liaison Engineer > RIPE NCC - http://www.ripe.net/np/ From webmaster at ripe.net Wed Aug 11 09:01:37 2004 From: webmaster at ripe.net (RIPE NCC Webmaster) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:01:37 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] Re: http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/mail-archives/ In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:59:53 +0200. <005401c47efb$750ca2f0$1f0200c1@rockstar> References: <005401c47efb$750ca2f0$1f0200c1@rockstar> Message-ID: <200408110701.i7B71bW7019729@birch.ripe.net> Good Morning Matthew The mailing lists on Mailman are controlled by Ops, so I guess the request needs to head in their direction. Adrian "Matthew Williams" writes: * Hi Webbies, * * Please get rid of myastesting. I believe myasntesting cross-references it (p * lease verify). * * http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/mail-archives/ * * Cheers, * Matthew * * --- * > Matthew Williams (MW243-RIPE) * > Customer Liaison Engineer * > RIPE NCC - http://www.ripe.net/np/ * From matthew at ripe.net Wed Aug 11 15:02:09 2004 From: matthew at ripe.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:02:09 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] R: myas go away Message-ID: <200408111302.i7BD29W7017845@birch.ripe.net> Hereby I wish to request a service from Operations. Detailed description: --------------------- [ Please provide us with all relevant information ] > -----Original Message----- > From: ris-int-admin at ripe.net [mailto:ris-int-admin at ripe.net] > On Behalf Of RIPE NCC Webmaster > Sent: 11 August 2004 09:02 > To: Matthew Williams > Cc: ris-int at ripe.net > Subject: [ris-int] Re: http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/mail-archives/ > > > Good Morning Matthew > > The mailing lists on Mailman are controlled by Ops, so I > guess the request needs to head in their direction. > > Adrian > > > > "Matthew Williams" writes: > * Hi Webbies, > * > * Please get rid of myastesting. I believe myasntesting > cross-references it (p > * lease verify). > * > * http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/mail-archives/ > * > * Cheers, > * Matthew > * > * --- > * > Matthew Williams (MW243-RIPE) > * > Customer Liaison Engineer > * > RIPE NCC - http://www.ripe.net/np/ > * > Regards, Matthew Williams From arife at ripe.net Wed Aug 11 17:36:11 2004 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:36:11 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] Re: myASn acc's In-Reply-To: <002001c47e0d$418b0140$1f0200c1@rockstar> References: <20040809104620.GG30174@ripe.net> <002001c47e0d$418b0140$1f0200c1@rockstar> Message-ID: <20040811153611.GD12677@ripe.net> Hi Matthew, I have updated the script, now it's at risops at halfweg:myasn/bin/add_myasn_user. It does few checks and also documentation is available at http://iii.ripe.net/sed/twiki/bin/view/Doc/RIS. Just for your info. I will remove the old versions. Please, send me the link for mailinglist and password as well to update the list. Arife From arife at ripe.net Wed Aug 11 17:38:06 2004 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:38:06 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] RIS related docs Message-ID: <20040811153806.GE12677@ripe.net> Hi guys, Some of the RIS related docs are at http://iii.ripe.net/sed/twiki/bin/view/Doc/RIS. After Kevin does the re-arrangement on SED iii pages, some of the stuff from NP pages will go there as well. Arife From matthew at ripe.net Wed Aug 11 17:59:14 2004 From: matthew at ripe.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:59:14 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] RE: [ripe.net #102308] R: myas go away In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001e01c47fbc$260d1fb0$1f0200c1@rockstar> Hi Jean, > > > * Please get rid of myastesting. I believe myasntesting > > > cross-references it (p > > > * lease verify). > Removed list myasntesting (kept archives) and alias myastesting. Wait please, not _myasntesting_, see above it says _myastesting_ (w/o 'n'). Cheers, Matthew > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeannette Decades via RT [mailto:ops at ripe.net] > Sent: 11 August 2004 15:27 > To: matthew at ripe.net > Subject: Re: [ripe.net #102308] R: myas go away > > > Hi Matthew, > > Removed list myasntesting (kept archives) and alias myastesting. > > Can this go too? > myasn-bounce: /dev/null > > cheers, > Jean. > > At 03:02 PM 8/11/2004 +0200, you wrote: > > > >Hereby I wish to request a service from Operations. > > > >Detailed description: > >--------------------- > > > >[ Please provide us with all relevant information ] > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: ris-int-admin at ripe.net [mailto:ris-int-admin at ripe.net] On > > > Behalf Of RIPE NCC Webmaster > > > Sent: 11 August 2004 09:02 > > > To: Matthew Williams > > > Cc: ris-int at ripe.net > > > Subject: [ris-int] Re: http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/mail-archives/ > > > > > > > > > Good Morning Matthew > > > > > > The mailing lists on Mailman are controlled by Ops, so I > guess the > > > request needs to head in their direction. > > > > > > Adrian > > > > > > > > > > > > "Matthew Williams" writes: > > > * Hi Webbies, > > > * > > > * Please get rid of myastesting. I believe myasntesting > > > cross-references it (p > > > * lease verify). > > > * > > > * http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/mail-archives/ > > > * > > > * Cheers, > > > * Matthew > > > * > > > * --- > > > * > Matthew Williams (MW243-RIPE) > > > * > Customer Liaison Engineer > > > * > RIPE NCC - http://www.ripe.net/np/ > > > * > > > > > > > > > > >Regards, > > Matthew Williams > From matthew at ripe.net Wed Aug 11 18:00:48 2004 From: matthew at ripe.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:00:48 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] Re: myASn acc's In-Reply-To: <20040811153611.GD12677@ripe.net> Message-ID: <001f01c47fbc$5e4a8de0$1f0200c1@rockstar> Hi Arife, Thanks for improving the script. I'll have a look in order to learn something ;) > Please, send me the link for mailinglist and password as > well to update the list. It is no more, see Jean mail ;) Hopefully, it can be fixed. PW: risops Cheers, Matthew > -----Original Message----- > From: ris-int-admin at ripe.net [mailto:ris-int-admin at ripe.net] > On Behalf Of Arife Vural > Sent: 11 August 2004 17:36 > To: Matthew Williams > Cc: ris-int at ripe.net > Subject: Re: [ris-int] Re: myASn acc's > > > > Hi Matthew, > > I have updated the script, now it's at > > risops at halfweg:myasn/bin/add_myasn_user. > > It does few checks and also documentation is available > > at http://iii.ripe.net/sed/twiki/bin/view/Doc/RIS. > > Just for your info. I will remove the old versions. > > Please, send me the link for mailinglist and password as > well to update the list. > > Arife > From matthew at ripe.net Wed Aug 11 18:30:10 2004 From: matthew at ripe.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:30:10 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] RE: [ripe.net #102308] R: myas go away In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c47fc0$78902ee0$1f0200c1@rockstar> > myasntesting. That's why I removed this list (myasntesting). This is not want I wanted. If anything was unclear, you should have gotten back to me before deleting something that I had hoped would've been left untouched. Cheers, Matthew > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeannette Decades via RT [mailto:ops at ripe.net] > Sent: 11 August 2004 18:22 > To: matthew at ripe.net > Subject: RE: [ripe.net #102308] R: myas go away > > > Hi, > > There has never been no myastesting. There's only an alias > which points to > myasntesting. That's why I removed this list (myasntesting). > Tonight the systems will be synced and our mailserver will > then not know of > myastesting at ripe.net nor myasntesting at ripe.net > > > Jean. > #301 > > At 05:59 PM 8/11/2004 +0200, you wrote: > >Hi Jean, > > > > > > > * Please get rid of myastesting. I believe myasntesting > > > > > cross-references it (p > > > > > * lease verify). > > > > > Removed list myasntesting (kept archives) and alias myastesting. > > > >Wait please, not _myasntesting_, see above it says > _myastesting_ (w/o > >'n'). > > > >Cheers, > >Matthew > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Jeannette Decades via RT [mailto:ops at ripe.net] > > > Sent: 11 August 2004 15:27 > > > To: matthew at ripe.net > > > Subject: Re: [ripe.net #102308] R: myas go away > > > > > > > > > Hi Matthew, > > > > > > Removed list myasntesting (kept archives) and alias myastesting. > > > > > > Can this go too? > > > myasn-bounce: /dev/null > > > > > > cheers, > > > Jean. > > > > > > At 03:02 PM 8/11/2004 +0200, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > >Hereby I wish to request a service from Operations. > > > > > > > >Detailed description: > > > >--------------------- > > > > > > > >[ Please provide us with all relevant information ] > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: ris-int-admin at ripe.net > [mailto:ris-int-admin at ripe.net] On > > > > > Behalf Of RIPE > NCC Webmaster > > > > > Sent: 11 August 2004 09:02 > > > > > To: Matthew Williams > > > > > Cc: ris-int at ripe.net > > > > > Subject: [ris-int] Re: > > > > > http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/mail-archives/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good Morning Matthew > > > > > > > > > > The mailing lists on Mailman are controlled by Ops, so I > > > guess the > > > > > request needs to head in their direction. > > > > > > > > > > Adrian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Matthew Williams" writes: > > > > > * Hi Webbies, > > > > > * > > > > > * Please get rid of myastesting. I believe myasntesting > > > > > cross-references it (p > > > > > * lease verify). > > > > > * > > > > > * http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/mail-archives/ > > > > > * > > > > > * Cheers, > > > > > * Matthew > > > > > * > > > > > * --- > > > > > * > Matthew Williams (MW243-RIPE) > > > > > * > Customer Liaison Engineer > > > > > * > RIPE NCC - http://www.ripe.net/np/ > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Regards, > > > > Matthew Williams > > > > From matthew at ripe.net Wed Aug 11 18:44:21 2004 From: matthew at ripe.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:44:21 +0200 Subject: FW: [ris-int] RE: [ripe.net #102308] R: myas go away Message-ID: <000101c47fc2$740eb380$1f0200c1@rockstar> Can the list be restored? Or can we do something so users mailing to the list don't just bounce? If you have any way of finding the subscribed folk again then that would be of great help. Cheers, Matthew > -----Original Message----- > From: ris-int-admin at ripe.net [mailto:ris-int-admin at ripe.net] > On Behalf Of Matthew Williams > Sent: 11 August 2004 18:30 > To: ops at ripe.net > Cc: ris-int at ripe.net > Subject: [ris-int] RE: [ripe.net #102308] R: myas go away > > > > myasntesting. That's why I removed this list (myasntesting). > > This is not want I wanted. If anything was unclear, you > should have gotten back to me before deleting something that > I had hoped would've been left untouched. > > Cheers, > Matthew > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jeannette Decades via RT [mailto:ops at ripe.net] > > Sent: 11 August 2004 18:22 > > To: matthew at ripe.net > > Subject: RE: [ripe.net #102308] R: myas go away > > > > > > Hi, > > > > There has never been no myastesting. There's only an alias > > which points to > > myasntesting. That's why I removed this list (myasntesting). > > Tonight the systems will be synced and our mailserver will > > then not know of > > myastesting at ripe.net nor myasntesting at ripe.net > > > > > > Jean. > > #301 > > > > At 05:59 PM 8/11/2004 +0200, you wrote: > > >Hi Jean, > > > > > > > > > * Please get rid of myastesting. I believe myasntesting > > > > > > cross-references it (p > > > > > > * lease verify). > > > > > > > Removed list myasntesting (kept archives) and alias myastesting. > > > > > >Wait please, not _myasntesting_, see above it says > > _myastesting_ (w/o > > >'n'). > > > > > >Cheers, > > >Matthew > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Jeannette Decades via RT [mailto:ops at ripe.net] > > > > Sent: 11 August 2004 15:27 > > > > To: matthew at ripe.net > > > > Subject: Re: [ripe.net #102308] R: myas go away > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Matthew, > > > > > > > > Removed list myasntesting (kept archives) and alias myastesting. > > > > > > > > Can this go too? > > > > myasn-bounce: /dev/null > > > > > > > > cheers, > > > > Jean. > > > > > > > > At 03:02 PM 8/11/2004 +0200, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >Hereby I wish to request a service from Operations. > > > > > > > > > >Detailed description: > > > > >--------------------- > > > > > > > > > >[ Please provide us with all relevant information ] > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: ris-int-admin at ripe.net > > [mailto:ris-int-admin at ripe.net] On > > > > > > Behalf Of RIPE > > NCC Webmaster > > > > > > Sent: 11 August 2004 09:02 > > > > > > To: Matthew Williams > > > > > > Cc: ris-int at ripe.net > > > > > > Subject: [ris-int] Re: > > > > > > http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/mail-archives/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good Morning Matthew > > > > > > > > > > > > The mailing lists on Mailman are controlled by Ops, so I > > > > guess the > > > > > > request needs to head in their direction. > > > > > > > > > > > > Adrian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Matthew Williams" writes: > > > > > > * Hi Webbies, > > > > > > * > > > > > > * Please get rid of myastesting. I believe myasntesting > > > > > > cross-references it (p > > > > > > * lease verify). > > > > > > * > > > > > > * http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/mail-archives/ > > > > > > * > > > > > > * Cheers, > > > > > > * Matthew > > > > > > * > > > > > > * --- > > > > > > * > Matthew Williams (MW243-RIPE) > > > > > > * > Customer Liaison Engineer > > > > > > * > RIPE NCC - http://www.ripe.net/np/ > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Regards, > > > > > Matthew Williams > > > > > > > From wilhelm at ripe.net Wed Aug 11 19:09:54 2004 From: wilhelm at ripe.net (Rene Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:09:54 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] RE: [ripe.net #102308] R: myas go away In-Reply-To: Message from "Matthew Williams" of "Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:30:10 +0200." <000001c47fc0$78902ee0$1f0200c1@rockstar> Message-ID: <200408111709.i7BH9sW7006624@birch.ripe.net> Hmm, this seems to have headed off in quite the wrong direction, a request to delete an obsolete mail archive resulting in removal of an active mail list :( To shed some light on the matter: http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/mail-archives/ lists both myasntesting and myastesting, the latter holding identical messages to myasntesting for at least all of 2004 All that Matthew wanted was the obsoleted myastesting (without 'n') to disappear from this listing and stop being a valid e-mail address. It appears that way back in the distant past, when the project was renamed from myAS to myASn and the myasntesting list took over from myastesting, some mistakes have been made in the archive setup: - the myastesting archive SHOULD have been renamed mysasntesting - the myastesting alias should NOT have continued archiving. So to correct this, I suggest: 1. rm -rf /ncc/maillists/archives/pub/myasntesting 2. mv /ncc/maillists/archives/pub/myastesting /ncc/maillists/archives/pub/myasntesting 3. restore the myasntesting list (all subscribers and settings) 4. (re)activate archiving of myasntesting -- Rene > > myasntesting. That's why I removed this list (myasntesting). > > This is not want I wanted. If anything was unclear, you should have gotten back to me before deleting something that I had hoped > would've been left untouched. > > Cheers, > Matthew > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jeannette Decades via RT [mailto:ops at ripe.net] > > Sent: 11 August 2004 18:22 > > To: matthew at ripe.net > > Subject: RE: [ripe.net #102308] R: myas go away > > > > > > Hi, > > > > There has never been no myastesting. There's only an alias > > which points to > > myasntesting. That's why I removed this list (myasntesting). > > Tonight the systems will be synced and our mailserver will > > then not know of > > myastesting at ripe.net nor myasntesting at ripe.net > > > > > > Jean. > > #301 > > > > At 05:59 PM 8/11/2004 +0200, you wrote: > > >Hi Jean, > > > > > > > > > * Please get rid of myastesting. I believe myasntesting > > > > > > cross-references it (p > > > > > > * lease verify). > > > > > > > Removed list myasntesting (kept archives) and alias myastesting. > > > > > >Wait please, not _myasntesting_, see above it says > > _myastesting_ (w/o > > >'n'). > > > > > >Cheers, > > >Matthew > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Jeannette Decades via RT [mailto:ops at ripe.net] > > > > Sent: 11 August 2004 15:27 > > > > To: matthew at ripe.net > > > > Subject: Re: [ripe.net #102308] R: myas go away > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Matthew, > > > > > > > > Removed list myasntesting (kept archives) and alias myastesting. > > > > > > > > Can this go too? > > > > myasn-bounce: /dev/null > > > > > > > > cheers, > > > > Jean. > > > > > > > > At 03:02 PM 8/11/2004 +0200, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >Hereby I wish to request a service from Operations. > > > > > > > > > >Detailed description: > > > > >--------------------- > > > > > > > > > >[ Please provide us with all relevant information ] > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: ris-int-admin at ripe.net > > [mailto:ris-int-admin at ripe.net] On > > > > > > Behalf Of RIPE > > NCC Webmaster > > > > > > Sent: 11 August 2004 09:02 > > > > > > To: Matthew Williams > > > > > > Cc: ris-int at ripe.net > > > > > > Subject: [ris-int] Re: > > > > > > http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/mail-archives/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good Morning Matthew > > > > > > > > > > > > The mailing lists on Mailman are controlled by Ops, so I > > > > guess the > > > > > > request needs to head in their direction. > > > > > > > > > > > > Adrian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Matthew Williams" writes: > > > > > > * Hi Webbies, > > > > > > * > > > > > > * Please get rid of myastesting. I believe myasntesting > > > > > > cross-references it (p > > > > > > * lease verify). > > > > > > * > > > > > > * http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/mail-archives/ > > > > > > * > > > > > > * Cheers, > > > > > > * Matthew > > > > > > * > > > > > > * --- > > > > > > * > Matthew Williams (MW243-RIPE) > > > > > > * > Customer Liaison Engineer > > > > > > * > RIPE NCC - http://www.ripe.net/np/ > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Regards, > > > > > Matthew Williams > > > > > > > From hotseat at ripe.net Wed Aug 11 19:25:23 2004 From: hotseat at ripe.net (OPS hotseat -- 448) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:25:23 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] RE: [ripe.net #102308] R: myas go away In-Reply-To: <200408111709.i7BH9sW7006624@birch.ripe.net> References: <000001c47fc0$78902ee0$1f0200c1@rockstar> <200408111709.i7BH9sW7006624@birch.ripe.net> Message-ID: <20040811192523.63e68dc9.hotseat@ripe.net> Hoi, On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:09:54 +0200, Rene Wilhelm wrote: > Hmm, this seems to have headed off in quite the wrong direction, > a request to delete an obsolete mail archive resulting in removal > of an active mail list :( > > To shed some light on the matter: > > http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/mail-archives/ > > lists both myasntesting and myastesting, the latter holding > identical messages to myasntesting for at least all of 2004 > > All that Matthew wanted was the obsoleted myastesting (without 'n') > to disappear from this listing and stop being a valid e-mail address. > > It appears that way back in the distant past, when the project was > renamed from myAS to myASn and the myasntesting list took > over from myastesting, some mistakes have been made in the > archive setup: > > - the myastesting archive SHOULD have been renamed mysasntesting > - the myastesting alias should NOT have continued archiving. > > So to correct this, I suggest: > > 1. rm -rf /ncc/maillists/archives/pub/myasntesting > 2. mv /ncc/maillists/archives/pub/myastesting > /ncc/maillists/archives/pub/myasntesting 3. restore the myasntesting > list (all subscribers and settings) Steps 1&2 seem to be contradicting: 1. throw away newest and active archive 2. copy old obsolete and inactive archive over the (now empty) current archives. > 4. (re)activate archiving of > myasntesting The list myasNtesting at ripe.net was restored and is being archived. Again, this messup has been corrected and for all I care the ticket is closed for being a poor request. Matthew will have received a new password for the list administration. I believe the originally subsribed people will have received a new password as well. As said to Matthew before, you can open a new ticket with a clear request. E m i l . From matthew at ripe.net Wed Aug 11 19:25:53 2004 From: matthew at ripe.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:25:53 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] RE: [ripe.net #102308] R: myas go away In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000c01c47fc8$40e765f0$1f0200c1@rockstar> Hi Emil, I see, it was my fault all along for OPS doing something that I never requested. Ever seen the Fawlty Towers episode where Basil spanks himself on the bottom? ;) Anyway, that said, many thanks for fixing this. Much obliged :) As Rene points out, all I ever wanted was: - Eliminate the myastesting (no N) link on http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/mail-archives/. - I also doubt that we need the alias - myastesting (no N) - any longer. Can this be done without touching/deleting myasntesting (with N)? Kind regards, Matthew > -----Original Message----- > From: FLS Hotseat via RT [mailto:ops at ripe.net] > Sent: 11 August 2004 19:00 > To: matthew at ripe.net > Subject: Re: [ripe.net #102308] R: myas go away > > > > Hi Matthew, > > Jeannette has gone home, so this is 'hotseat' (Emil) speaking: > > > On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:30:10 +0200, "Matthew Williams" > wrote: > > > > myasntesting. That's why I removed this list (myasntesting). > > > > This is not want I wanted. If anything was unclear, you should have > > gotten back to me before deleting something that I had > hoped would've > > been left untouched. > > Your first mail was a very poorly formatted forward of a forward of > a...etc. In fact you have not formulated a request.. If you > say we shoud have bounced it for being unclear, I totally agree! > > I am not at all surprised that it was not correctly > interpreted. Next time spend some time on making a clear > request please. > > On to the real issue: "myastesting" was an alias to > "myasNtesting", not a list in itself. To stop all confusion I > have put that alias back in place; nothing has disappeared, > nothing has changed, only time was wasted. > > This request will be closed. You can create a new one to > tell us what you really want. > > E m i l . > > > x7:emil:~ $ telnet birch 25 > Trying 193.0.1.96... > Connected to birch. > Escape character is '^]'. > 220 birch.ripe.net ESMTP RIPE NCC Sendmail 8.12.10; Wed, 11 > Aug 2004 18:54:50 +0200 expn myastesting 250 2.1.5 > expn myasntesting 250 2.1.5 > quit 221 2.0.0 birch.ripe.net > closing connection Connection closed by foreign host. x7:emil:~ $ > From wilhelm at ripe.net Wed Aug 11 19:41:12 2004 From: wilhelm at ripe.net (Rene Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:41:12 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] RE: [ripe.net #102308] R: myas go away In-Reply-To: Message from OPS hotseat -- 448 of "Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:25:23 +0200." <20040811192523.63e68dc9.hotseat@ripe.net> Message-ID: <200408111741.i7BHfDW7015897@birch.ripe.net> Hi, > > So to correct this, I suggest: > > > > 1. rm -rf /ncc/maillists/archives/pub/myasntesting > > 2. mv /ncc/maillists/archives/pub/myastesting > > /ncc/maillists/archives/pub/myasntesting 3. restore the myasntesting > > list (all subscribers and settings) > > Steps 1&2 seem to be contradicting: > > 1. throw away newest and active archive > 2. copy old obsolete and inactive archive over the (now empty) current > archives. If you took 1 minute (or 30 seconds) to LOOK at these archives, you would see that myastesting has EVERYTHING from myastesting PLUS the stuff send to myasntesting myasntesting on the other hand ONLY has stuff send to myasntesting. so to preserve the history of the myas(n) testing list, one should keep myastesting. As I said, this is something that SHOULD have been done in the first place when the mailing list changed name. > Again, this messup has been corrected and for all I care the ticket is > closed for being a poor request. huh? the request seemed pretty clear to me. You can't expect users to know all the intricate details of the convoluted setup of mailing lists and their archives. -- Rene From matthew at ripe.net Wed Aug 11 20:07:32 2004 From: matthew at ripe.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:07:32 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] O: myas (no N) go away Message-ID: <200408111807.i7BI7WW7021742@birch.ripe.net> Hereby I wish to notify Operations of something uncategorised. Detailed description: --------------------- Hotseat wrote: > This request will be closed. You can create a new one to > tell us what you really want. > > E m i l . "Yo, I'll tell you what I want, what I really really want, So tell me what you want, what you really really want, I'll tell you what I want, what I really really want, So tell me what you want, what you really really want, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna really really really wanna zigazig ha." [ Please provide us with all relevant information ] New request: > As Rene points out, all I ever wanted was: > > - Eliminate the myastesting (no N) link on > http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/mail-archives/. > > - I also doubt that we need the alias - myastesting (no N) - > any longer. > > Can this be done without touching/deleting myasntesting (with N)? Regards, Matthew Williams From matthew at ripe.net Wed Aug 11 20:55:07 2004 From: matthew at ripe.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:55:07 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] NP and SED = RIS Message-ID: <001b01c47fd4$b8198110$1f0200c1@rockstar> Hi Arife, I think this will be last time that I will take on a myASn task. Next time, I'll just send you an email. A lot easier that way... I've learnt my lesson ;) My open RIS items concern: - Admin for MSK-IX - Promoting myASn at R49 - RIS Update at R49 - myASn User doc - Working with guys on odd myASn issue that may pop up - New RIS www Does this cover it? Cheers, Matthew > -----Original Message----- > From: ris-int-admin at ripe.net [mailto:ris-int-admin at ripe.net] > On Behalf Of Matthew Williams > Sent: 11 August 2004 20:08 > To: RIPE NCC Operations > Cc: ris-int at ripe.net > Subject: [ris-int] O: myas (no N) go away > > > > Hereby I wish to notify Operations of something uncategorised. > > Detailed description: > --------------------- > Hotseat wrote: > > This request will be closed. You can create a new one to > tell us what > > you really want. > > > > E m i l . > > "Yo, I'll tell you what I want, what I really really want, > So tell me what you want, what you really really want, > I'll tell you what I want, what I really really want, > So tell me what you want, what you really really want, > I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna really > really really wanna zigazig ha." > > [ Please provide us with all relevant information ] > > New request: > > As Rene points out, all I ever wanted was: > > > > - Eliminate the myastesting (no N) link on > > http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/mail-archives/. > > > > - I also doubt that we need the alias - myastesting (no N) - > > any longer. > > > > Can this be done without touching/deleting myasntesting (with N)? > > Regards, > Matthew Williams > From henk at ripe.net Wed Aug 11 21:24:22 2004 From: henk at ripe.net (Henk Uijterwaal (RIPE NCC)) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 21:24:22 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [ris-int] RIS related docs In-Reply-To: <20040811153806.GE12677@ripe.net> References: <20040811153806.GE12677@ripe.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 11 Aug 2004, Arife Vural wrote: > > Hi guys, > > Some of the RIS related docs are at > > http://iii.ripe.net/sed/twiki/bin/view/Doc/RIS. > > After Kevin does the re-arrangement on SED iii pages, some of > the stuff from NP pages will go there as well. s/some/all/ I'd prefer if all RIS stuff currently on the NP pages, is moved to the SED pages (or removed for being outdated). I don't think that it is a good idea to have the documentation in >1 area. Henk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Process and Procedure are the last hiding place of people without the wit and wisdom to do their job properly. (David Brent). From arife at ripe.net Thu Aug 12 10:38:27 2004 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:38:27 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] NP and SED = RIS In-Reply-To: <001b01c47fd4$b8198110$1f0200c1@rockstar> References: <001b01c47fd4$b8198110$1f0200c1@rockstar> Message-ID: <20040812083827.GD30320@ripe.net> Hi Matthew, > I think this will be last time that I will take on a myASn task. Next time, I'll just send you an email. A lot easier that way... > I've learnt my lesson ;) Yeah, myasntesting issue is quite unlucky. > > My open RIS items concern: > > - Admin for MSK-IX > - Promoting myASn at R49 > - RIS Update at R49 > - myASn User doc > - Working with guys on odd myASn issue that may pop up > - New RIS www > > Does this cover it? I think so. Arife > > Cheers, > Matthew > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ris-int-admin at ripe.net [mailto:ris-int-admin at ripe.net] > > On Behalf Of Matthew Williams > > Sent: 11 August 2004 20:08 > > To: RIPE NCC Operations > > Cc: ris-int at ripe.net > > Subject: [ris-int] O: myas (no N) go away > > > > > > > > Hereby I wish to notify Operations of something uncategorised. > > > > Detailed description: > > --------------------- > > Hotseat wrote: > > > This request will be closed. You can create a new one to > > tell us what > > > you really want. > > > > > > E m i l . > > > > "Yo, I'll tell you what I want, what I really really want, > > So tell me what you want, what you really really want, > > I'll tell you what I want, what I really really want, > > So tell me what you want, what you really really want, > > I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna really > > really really wanna zigazig ha." > > > > [ Please provide us with all relevant information ] > > > > New request: > > > As Rene points out, all I ever wanted was: > > > > > > - Eliminate the myastesting (no N) link on > > > http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/mail-archives/. > > > > > > - I also doubt that we need the alias - myastesting (no N) - > > > any longer. > > > > > > Can this be done without touching/deleting myasntesting (with N)? > > > > Regards, > > Matthew Williams > > From arife at ripe.net Thu Aug 12 10:41:32 2004 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 10:41:32 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] RIS related docs In-Reply-To: References: <20040811153806.GE12677@ripe.net> Message-ID: <20040812084132.GE30320@ripe.net> > > Some of the RIS related docs are at > > > > http://iii.ripe.net/sed/twiki/bin/view/Doc/RIS. > > > > After Kevin does the re-arrangement on SED iii pages, some of > > the stuff from NP pages will go there as well. > > s/some/all/ > > I'd prefer if all RIS stuff currently on the NP pages, is moved to the SED Agree, I will coordinate this with Kevin. Arife > pages (or removed for being outdated). I don't think that it is a good > idea to have the documentation in >1 area. > > Henk > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net > RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk > P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 > 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 > The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Process and Procedure are the last hiding place of people without the wit > and wisdom to do their job properly. (David Brent). From hotseat at ripe.net Thu Aug 12 15:17:14 2004 From: hotseat at ripe.net (OPS hotseat -- 448) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 15:17:14 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] Re: [ripe.net #102320] O: myas (no N) go away In-Reply-To: <200408111807.i7BI7WW7021742@birch.ripe.net> References: <200408111807.i7BI7WW7021742@birch.ripe.net> Message-ID: <20040812151714.22443ad8.hotseat@ripe.net> Hi Matthew, On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:07:32 +0200, Matthew Williams wrote: > > Hereby I wish to notify Operations of something uncategorised. > > Detailed description: > --------------------- > Hotseat wrote: > > This request will be closed. You can create a new one to > > tell us what you really want. > > > > E m i l . > > "Yo, I'll tell you what I want, what I really really want, > So tell me what you want, what you really really want, > I'll tell you what I want, what I really really want, > So tell me what you want, what you really really want, > I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna really > really really wanna zigazig ha." :-) See, you do have plenty time to formulate a request! > > - Eliminate the myastesting (no N) link on > > http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/mail-archives/. > > > > - I also doubt that we need the alias - myastesting (no N) - > > any longer. > > > > Can this be done without touching/deleting myasntesting (with N)? All done/removed. Closing, -- E m i l . 448 - OPS hotseat From matthew at ripe.net Thu Aug 12 20:22:15 2004 From: matthew at ripe.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 20:22:15 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] Web Access Report for the Routing Information Service - July, 2004 Message-ID: <004301c48099$4b7cacb0$1f0200c1@rockstar> Hi All, The monthly RIS Web Access Report is available at the following URL: http://iii.ripe.net/np/ris/WWW072004_RIS.pdf Please comment on oddities. Cheers, Matthew -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: WWW072004_RIS.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 256741 bytes Desc: not available URL: From paul at vix.com Thu Aug 12 23:22:08 2004 From: paul at vix.com (Paul Vixie) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 21:22:08 +0000 Subject: [ris-int] Re: RIPE NCC RIS box @ PAIX In-Reply-To: Message from Arife Vural of "Mon, 09 Aug 2004 15:03:34 +0200." <20040809130334.GB7922@ripe.net> Message-ID: <20040812212208.5F82113951@sa.vix.com> i think i can do this. i'm working with the paix people now. > Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 15:03:34 +0200 > From: Arife Vural > To: vixie at isc.org, joao at isc.org, paul at vix.com > Cc: ris-int at ripe.net > Subject: RIPE NCC RIS box @ PAIX > User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i > X-Organization: RIPE Network Coordination Centre > X-FCOPY: arife at ripe.net > X-Phone: +31 20 535 4490 > X-Fax: +31 20 535 4445 > X-WWW: http://www.ripe.net > X-Operating-System: Linux x12 2.4.26 > X-RIPE-Spam-Level: > X-RIPE-Spam-Status: N 0.000000 / 0.0 / 0.0 / disabled > X-RIPE-Signature: 8eb633018b90ef9d380ed3af8868775b > > > Hi Joao, Paul, > > My name is Arife Vural. I'm working as Network Engineer for RIPE NCC RIS > (Routing Information Service) Project. We have remote route collectors > around the world to collect BGP routing data. > > Lately, the box we have at MAE-West is not as functional as we aimed. We > could not get enough peers there. Because of that we are looking for a new > place for RRC box on West coast. PAIX looks like a good choice for us by > looking at number of members and also network infrastructure. We are just > wondering whether you would help us to locate RIS box at PAIX. To do this, > we would need help at the beginning to install the box and do the network > connection. Other than that, we also need a transit provider to reach the > box. > > I'll be appreciated if you could get back to us whether you could help > or not about relocating the RIS box at PAIX. > > Kind regards. > Arife From arife at ripe.net Sat Aug 14 12:16:26 2004 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 12:16:26 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] Re: RIPE NCC RIS box @ PAIX In-Reply-To: <20040812212208.5F82113951@sa.vix.com> References: <20040809130334.GB7922@ripe.net> <20040812212208.5F82113951@sa.vix.com> Message-ID: <20040814101626.GA27752@ripe.net> > i think i can do this. i'm working with the paix people now. That's great :-) OK, please let me know if you need anything from me. Arife From wilhelm at ripe.net Sat Aug 14 23:16:20 2004 From: wilhelm at ripe.net (Rene Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 23:16:20 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] FYI: riswhois up-to-date monitoring Message-ID: <200408142116.i7ELGKW7006304@birch.ripe.net> Hi Arife, Ops/gerard have setup monitoring to alarm us when riswhois fails to refresh its BGP data. The daemon should read latest BGP fulldump files every 8 hours, but few weeks ago I noticed it failed to that; hence the request to ops. Do you also have independent checks (in ops or sed) to see if bgp dump files are collected to halfweg? -- Rene ------- Forwarded Message X-Recipient: Return-Path: Received: from owl.ripe.net (owl.ripe.net [193.0.1.100]) by birch.ripe.net (8.12.10/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i7D9nlW7023703 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 11:49:47 +0200 Received: (from rt2 at localhost) by owl.ripe.net (8.12.10/8.12.6) id i7D9nl4T015909; Fri, 13 Aug 2004 11:49:47 +0200 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 11:49:47 +0200 Subject: Re: [ripe.net #102281] R: intelligent monitoring From: Gerard Leurs via RT Reply-To: ops at ripe.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Precedence: bulk X-RT-Loop-Prevention: ripe.net RT-Ticket: ripe.net #102281 Managed-by: Request Tracker 2.0.9 (http://www.fsck.com/projects/rt/) RT-Originator: RT::User 10 To: wilhelm at ripe.net X-UIDL: 7WB!!]+k"!OUE"!>?&#! Rene. WE now have a check for riswhois sources 'RISSOURCES'. The nagioscheck runs every 120 minutes. And an email is send when the difference is >2 days. Closing ticket. Gerard. ------- End of Forwarded Message From arife at ripe.net Mon Aug 16 09:04:26 2004 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 09:04:26 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] Re: FYI: riswhois up-to-date monitoring In-Reply-To: <200408142116.i7ELGKW7006304@birch.ripe.net> References: <200408142116.i7ELGKW7006304@birch.ripe.net> Message-ID: <20040816070426.GA18136@ripe.net> Hi Rene, > Ops/gerard have setup monitoring to alarm us when riswhois > fails to refresh its BGP data. The daemon should read Good. > latest BGP fulldump files every 8 hours, but few weeks > ago I noticed it failed to that; hence the request to ops. > > Do you also have independent checks (in ops or sed) to > see if bgp dump files are collected to halfweg? Yes, kind of. Collect script sends an e-mail to risops if data collection fails. Arife From henk at ripe.net Mon Aug 16 10:29:51 2004 From: henk at ripe.net (Henk Uijterwaal (RIPE NCC)) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:29:51 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [ris-int] Re: RIPE NCC RIS box @ PAIX In-Reply-To: <20040814101626.GA27752@ripe.net> References: <20040809130334.GB7922@ripe.net> <20040812212208.5F82113951@sa.vix.com> <20040814101626.GA27752@ripe.net> Message-ID: On Sat, 14 Aug 2004, Arife Vural wrote: > > > i think i can do this. i'm working with the paix people now. > > That's great :-) OK, please let me know if you need anything > from me. I'd think that we have to prepare reconfiguration, shutdown @ MAE-W, shipping to PAIX etc. ourselves first, Henk > > Arife > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Process and Procedure are the last hiding place of people without the wit and wisdom to do their job properly. (David Brent). From arife at ripe.net Mon Aug 16 10:49:15 2004 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:49:15 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] Re: RIPE NCC RIS box @ PAIX In-Reply-To: References: <20040809130334.GB7922@ripe.net> <20040812212208.5F82113951@sa.vix.com> <20040814101626.GA27752@ripe.net> Message-ID: <20040816084915.GC21209@ripe.net> > > > i think i can do this. i'm working with the paix people now. > > > > That's great :-) OK, please let me know if you need anything > > from me. > > I'd think that we have to prepare reconfiguration, shutdown @ MAE-W, > shipping to PAIX etc. ourselves first, Yes, we have to do those by ourself. But, first I like to see some progress from PAIX side and get the config information, shipping address from Vixie. And then, I will contact with MAE-West people. Arife From arife at ripe.net Mon Aug 16 12:27:46 2004 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:27:46 +0200 Subject: [henk@ripe.net: Re: [ris-int] Re: RIPE NCC RIS box @ PAIX] Message-ID: <20040816102746.GG26108@ripe.net> Hi guys, To re-locate RRC08, do we need any re-installation or not? Is changing IP config either at old or new location enough? Arife ----- Forwarded message from "Henk Uijterwaal (RIPE NCC)" ----- From: "Henk Uijterwaal (RIPE NCC)" To: Arife Vural Subject: Re: [ris-int] Re: RIPE NCC RIS box @ PAIX Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 10:29:51 +0200 (CEST) Cc: ris-int at ripe.net On Sat, 14 Aug 2004, Arife Vural wrote: > > > i think i can do this. i'm working with the paix people now. > > That's great :-) OK, please let me know if you need anything > from me. I'd think that we have to prepare reconfiguration, shutdown @ MAE-W, shipping to PAIX etc. ourselves first, Henk > > Arife > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Process and Procedure are the last hiding place of people without the wit and wisdom to do their job properly. (David Brent). ----- End forwarded message ----- From bruce.campbell at ripe.net Mon Aug 16 12:30:52 2004 From: bruce.campbell at ripe.net (Bruce Campbell) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:30:52 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [henk@ripe.net: Re: [ris-int] Re: RIPE NCC RIS box @ PAIX] In-Reply-To: <20040816102746.GG26108@ripe.net> References: <20040816102746.GG26108@ripe.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, Arife Vural wrote: > Hi guys, > > To re-locate RRC08, do we need any re-installation or not? Is changing > IP config either at old or new location enough? Changing the IP config is sufficient. Related question: with a new location, should rrc08 become rrc$NEXTNUM ? --==-- Bruce. From ris-request at ripe.net Mon Aug 16 12:40:22 2004 From: ris-request at ripe.net (RIS) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:40:22 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] Fw: NCC#2004081420 [RIPE beacon request!] Message-ID: <200408161040.i7GAeM2B027491@x12.ripe.net> Hi guys, What do you think about the following request? It looks he is asking to extend our anycast failover scenario to more RRCs. After discussing with him what kind of patterns he needs, we can use same prefix or we can use one of the free Beacon Prefixes. Arife ----- Begin forwarded message ----- Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 20:39:14 -0400 From: "Hitesh Ballani" To: Subject: NCC#2004081420 RIPE beacon request! Message-Id: <81224EA6DDA07C43BC7555E32401029E054219 at EXCHVS2.cs.cornell.edu> Hello, I was wondering if you could spare a beacon for the following experiment: At the moment, one of your beacons (195.80.233.0/24) at advertised from 2 locations - LINX and AMS-IX. An interesting question is to study anycast fail-over time from an end user perspective - i.e given that the advertisement is withdrawn from AMS-IX at a particular instant, how long is it before convergence is reached and packets from a node, which were earlier being routed to AMS-IX, are routed to LINX. I tried running this experiment from a bunch of nodes on Planetlab but I have not been able to locate any node whose packets are routed to AMS-IX and so, I am never able to analyze the convergence time (for that matter, even nodes in Netherlands have their packets routed to LINX). Here, "packets being routed to LINX" implies that periodic traceroutes from my Planetlab sites show so. This is important to me as I am currently working an a proxy based deployment model for IP anycast and so anycast failover time through BGP is critical for me (see http://www.cs.cornell.edu/People/francis/pias.pdf and http://www.cs.cornell.edu/People/francis/pias/pias-worlds.pdf for details!). As a matter of fact we are in the process of obtaining 3 /22 blocks from ARIN for this very purpose - however, given the long drawn nature of that process, I thought it would be nice if I could use your advertisement infrastructure to answer some niggling questions which are critical for the success of our proposal. I was wondering if it would be possible for me to get a beacon to be advertised from more locations (ideally, from America(RRC08), Europe(a number of locations), and Asia(RRC06)). While a beacon being advertised from 2 locations would suffice for the above experiment, but advertisements from more than 2 locations would allow me to look at other stuff such as - How good is IP anycast at selecting nearby locations? Ideally, when a node sends out a packet to a anycast location, it should be routed to the destination which is closest - but with the policy based nature of BGP, it is not clear if it does. Such an experiment would make more sense with greater number of advertising locations. I tried determining answers to these questions using the anycasted root servers and the servers belonging to the AS-112 project but the hierarchical nature of their deployment prevents me from coming to any conclusions. While the above description may sound as if I am looking for just an end-user analysis, but I will also be looking at BGP updates for the anycast prefix to determine if advertising a prefix from many locations has an adverse impact on the visibility of the prefix due to reasons such as route flap dampening. If the above description sounds terribly confusing, I will be glad to provide additional details about the experiments I plan to run. Also, if such an arrangement is possible, I will plan out the detailed A/W pattern and the sites involved. Thanks, Hitesh ------ End forwarded message ------ From arife at ripe.net Mon Aug 16 12:42:21 2004 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:42:21 +0200 Subject: [henk@ripe.net: Re: [ris-int] Re: RIPE NCC RIS box @ PAIX] In-Reply-To: References: <20040816102746.GG26108@ripe.net> Message-ID: <20040816104221.GH26108@ripe.net> > > To re-locate RRC08, do we need any re-installation or not? Is changing > > IP config either at old or new location enough? > > Changing the IP config is sufficient. OK. > > Related question: with a new location, should rrc08 become rrc$NEXTNUM ? I would rather like to keep it as it's and put some note on the WEB page saying, it's changed from MAE-West to PAIX. Arife > > --==-- > Bruce. From bruce.campbell at ripe.net Mon Aug 16 12:49:59 2004 From: bruce.campbell at ripe.net (Bruce Campbell) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 12:49:59 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [ripe.net #102454] [henk@ripe.net: Re: [ris-int] Re: RIPE NCC RIS box @ PAIX] In-Reply-To: <20040816104221.GH26108@ripe.net> References: <20040816102746.GG26108@ripe.net> <20040816104221.GH26108@ripe.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, Arife Vural wrote: > > > To re-locate RRC08, do we need any re-installation or not? Is changing > > > IP config either at old or new location enough? > > > > Changing the IP config is sufficient. > > OK. > > > Related question: with a new location, should rrc08 become rrc$NEXTNUM ? > > I would rather like to keep it as it's and put some note on the WEB page > saying, it's changed from MAE-West to PAIX. Ok. We can do the ip config change from here (if we have the details now), or ISC can do it (we need to set the root password to something safe). --==-- Bruce. From arife at ripe.net Mon Aug 16 13:17:53 2004 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:17:53 +0200 Subject: [ripe.net #102454] [henk@ripe.net: Re: [ris-int] Re: RIPE NCC RIS box @ PAIX] In-Reply-To: References: <20040816102746.GG26108@ripe.net> <20040816104221.GH26108@ripe.net> Message-ID: <20040816111753.GI26108@ripe.net> > > Ok. We can do the ip config change from here (if we have the details > now), or ISC can do it (we need to set the root password to something > safe). OK, when we come to that stage, I'll arrange those with you guys. Arife > > --==-- > Bruce. From matthew at ripe.net Mon Aug 16 17:00:58 2004 From: matthew at ripe.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:00:58 +0200 Subject: [ripe.net #102454] [henk@ripe.net: Re: [ris-int] Re: RIPE NCC RIS box @ PAIX] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001a01c483a1$d6b620d0$1f0200c1@rockstar> > > I would rather like to keep it as it's and put some note on the WEB > > page saying, it's changed from MAE-West to PAIX. I think we had this discussion before re: rrc09, and then we came to a different conclusion. At least, we should be consequent in order to cause minimal confusion. What changed? Cheers, Matthew > -----Original Message----- > From: ris-int-admin at ripe.net [mailto:ris-int-admin at ripe.net] > On Behalf Of Bruce Campbell > Sent: 16 August 2004 12:50 > To: Arife Vural > Cc: ops at ripe.net; ris-int at ripe.net; James Aldridge > Subject: Re: [ripe.net #102454] [henk at ripe.net: Re: [ris-int] > Re: RIPE NCC RIS box @ PAIX] > > > On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, Arife Vural wrote: > > > > > To re-locate RRC08, do we need any re-installation or not? Is > > > > changing IP config either at old or new location enough? > > > > > > Changing the IP config is sufficient. > > > > OK. > > > > > Related question: with a new location, should rrc08 become > > > rrc$NEXTNUM ? > > > > I would rather like to keep it as it's and put some note on the WEB > > page saying, it's changed from MAE-West to PAIX. > > Ok. We can do the ip config change from here (if we have the > details now), or ISC can do it (we need to set the root > password to something safe). > > --==-- > Bruce. > From matthew at ripe.net Mon Aug 16 17:14:37 2004 From: matthew at ripe.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:14:37 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] This page Message-ID: <001b01c483a3$bed2f220$1f0200c1@rockstar> >Please send your comments to http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/pub-services/np/ris/de-cix.html Change to ris at ripe.net? Cheers, Matthew --- > Matthew Williams (MW243-RIPE) > Customer Liaison Engineer > RIPE NCC - http://www.ripe.net/np/ From colitti at dia.uniroma3.it Mon Aug 16 17:20:02 2004 From: colitti at dia.uniroma3.it (Lorenzo Colitti) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:20:02 +0200 Subject: [ripe.net #102454] [henk@ripe.net: Re: [ris-int] Re: RIPE NCC RIS box @ PAIX] In-Reply-To: <001a01c483a1$d6b620d0$1f0200c1@rockstar> References: <001a01c483a1$d6b620d0$1f0200c1@rockstar> Message-ID: <4120D0A2.4040300@dia.uniroma3.it> Matthew Williams wrote: >>>I would rather like to keep it as it's and put some note on the WEB >>>page saying, it's changed from MAE-West to PAIX. > > I think we had this discussion before re: rrc09, and then we came to a different conclusion. At least, we should be consequent in > order to cause minimal confusion. What changed? What is now RRC12 was a new box installed in a new location. RRC08 is only being moved. So I suppose you get to change the number only if you simultaneously change city AND hardware. ;-) Cheers, Lorenzo -- --------------------------------------------------------- Lorenzo Colitti Ph.D student Computer Networks research group Roma Tre University colitti at dia.uniroma3.it +39-0655173215 --------------------------------------------------------- From arife at ripe.net Mon Aug 16 17:37:13 2004 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:37:13 +0200 Subject: [ripe.net #102454] [henk@ripe.net: Re: [ris-int] Re: RIPE NCC RIS box @ PAIX] In-Reply-To: <001a01c483a1$d6b620d0$1f0200c1@rockstar> References: <001a01c483a1$d6b620d0$1f0200c1@rockstar> Message-ID: <20040816153713.GR26108@ripe.net> > I think we had this discussion before re: rrc09, and then we came to a different conclusion. At least, we should be consequent in > order to cause minimal confusion. What changed? rrc09 was bit different than rrc08. rrc09 did not have DB, rrc08 has and I like to continue to use the same DB when it moves to PAIX. And purpose of rrc08 was getting the view from West Coast and we will be available still at the West Coast. I do not think it's useful to split rawdata just because we will change IX at the same area. Arife From arife at ripe.net Mon Aug 16 17:38:39 2004 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:38:39 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] This page In-Reply-To: <001b01c483a3$bed2f220$1f0200c1@rockstar> References: <001b01c483a3$bed2f220$1f0200c1@rockstar> Message-ID: <20040816153839.GS26108@ripe.net> > >Please send your comments to > > http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/pub-services/np/ris/de-cix.html > > Change to ris at ripe.net? Yes, I guess I typed incorrectly. Arife From matthew at ripe.net Mon Aug 16 17:57:18 2004 From: matthew at ripe.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:57:18 +0200 Subject: [ripe.net #102454] [henk@ripe.net: Re: [ris-int] Re: RIPE NCC RIS box @ PAIX] In-Reply-To: <20040816153713.GR26108@ripe.net> Message-ID: <001e01c483a9$b56567d0$1f0200c1@rockstar> Sorry, I don't see your point. This case is exactly the same as with rrc09: Based on the principle that an integer relates to a particular collection point irrespective of hardware, then keeping the same number doesn't make sense, and might even cause confusion among RIS users. At first _I_ didn't agree, but Rene and Lorenzo managed to convince me that they were right ;) Cheers, Matthew > -----Original Message----- > From: ris-int-admin at ripe.net [mailto:ris-int-admin at ripe.net] > On Behalf Of Arife Vural > Sent: 16 August 2004 17:37 > To: Matthew Williams > Cc: ops at ripe.net; ris-int at ripe.net; 'James Aldridge'; 'Bruce Campbell' > Subject: Re: [ripe.net #102454] [henk at ripe.net: Re: [ris-int] > Re: RIPE NCC RIS box @ PAIX] > > > > > I think we had this discussion before re: rrc09, and then > we came to a > > different conclusion. At least, we should be consequent in order to > > cause minimal confusion. What changed? > > rrc09 was bit different than rrc08. rrc09 did not have DB, rrc08 has > and I like to continue to use the same DB when it moves to PAIX. And > purpose of rrc08 was getting the view from West Coast and we > will be available still at the West Coast. I do not think > it's useful to split rawdata just because we will change IX > at the same area. > > Arife > From matthew at ripe.net Mon Aug 16 18:17:48 2004 From: matthew at ripe.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:17:48 +0200 Subject: [ripe.net #102454] [henk@ripe.net: Re: [ris-int] Re: RIPE NCC RIS box @ PAIX] In-Reply-To: <4120D0A2.4040300@dia.uniroma3.it> Message-ID: <002101c483ac$92545370$1f0200c1@rockstar> > only being moved. So I suppose you get to change the number > only if you > simultaneously change city AND hardware. ;-) You're killing me :-D Cheers, Matthew > -----Original Message----- > From: Lorenzo Colitti [mailto:colitti at dia.uniroma3.it] > Sent: 16 August 2004 17:20 > To: Matthew Williams > Cc: ris-int at ripe.net > Subject: Re: [ripe.net #102454] [henk at ripe.net: Re: [ris-int] > Re: RIPE NCC RIS box @ PAIX] > > > Matthew Williams wrote: > >>>I would rather like to keep it as it's and put some note on the WEB > >>>page saying, it's changed from MAE-West to PAIX. > > > > I think we had this discussion before re: rrc09, and then > we came to a > > different conclusion. At least, we should be consequent in order to > > cause minimal confusion. What changed? > > What is now RRC12 was a new box installed in a new location. RRC08 is > only being moved. So I suppose you get to change the number > only if you > simultaneously change city AND hardware. ;-) > > > Cheers, > Lorenzo > > -- > --------------------------------------------------------- > Lorenzo Colitti Ph.D student > Computer Networks research group Roma Tre University > colitti at dia.uniroma3.it +39-0655173215 > --------------------------------------------------------- > From matthew at ripe.net Mon Aug 16 18:45:31 2004 From: matthew at ripe.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:45:31 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] risintro Message-ID: <002401c483b0$71ccdab0$1f0200c1@rockstar> BTW, you should also link to de-cix. http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/pub-services/np/ris/de-cix.html What was wrong with http://www.ripe.net/ris/risintro.html? I think it's a shame that you have dropped this promo opportunity for "other services", and promo lies with NP, no?. Remember, the RIS is a part of a whole package: +++ Useful Links * RIS Home Page * myASn * RISwhois * BGPlay * More RIS Tools * Weekly RIS Statistics Report * RIS Raw Data * RIS Looking Glass Other Services and Projects * K-root Local Mirror Instances * Test Traffic Measurements (TTM) * RIPE NCC DNS Monitoring (dnsmon) * Deployment of Internet Security Infrastructures (DISI) +++ Cheers, Matthew --- > Matthew Williams (MW243-RIPE) > Customer Liaison Engineer > RIPE NCC - http://www.ripe.net/np/ From arife at ripe.net Mon Aug 16 18:58:45 2004 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:58:45 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] Re: risintro In-Reply-To: <002401c483b0$71ccdab0$1f0200c1@rockstar> References: <002401c483b0$71ccdab0$1f0200c1@rockstar> Message-ID: <20040816165845.GA19688@ripe.net> Matthew, Why do not we look at those on Wed, when we look at new WWW? Arife On Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 06:45:31PM +0200, Matthew Williams wrote: > BTW, you should also link to de-cix. > > http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/pub-services/np/ris/de-cix.html > > > What was wrong with http://www.ripe.net/ris/risintro.html? > > I think it's a shame that you have dropped this promo opportunity for "other services", and promo lies with NP, no?. Remember, the > RIS is a part of a whole package: > > +++ > > Useful Links > > * RIS Home Page > * myASn > * RISwhois > * BGPlay > * More RIS Tools > * Weekly RIS Statistics Report > > * RIS Raw Data > * RIS Looking Glass > > Other Services and Projects > > * K-root Local Mirror Instances > * Test Traffic Measurements (TTM) > * RIPE NCC DNS Monitoring (dnsmon) > * Deployment of Internet Security Infrastructures (DISI) > > +++ > > Cheers, > Matthew > > > > --- > > Matthew Williams (MW243-RIPE) > > Customer Liaison Engineer > > RIPE NCC - http://www.ripe.net/np/ From arife at ripe.net Mon Aug 16 19:05:36 2004 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 19:05:36 +0200 Subject: [ripe.net #102454] [henk@ripe.net: Re: [ris-int] Re: RIPE NCC RIS box @ PAIX] In-Reply-To: <001e01c483a9$b56567d0$1f0200c1@rockstar> References: <20040816153713.GR26108@ripe.net> <001e01c483a9$b56567d0$1f0200c1@rockstar> Message-ID: <20040816170536.GB19688@ripe.net> > Sorry, I don't see your point. This case is exactly the same as with rrc09: > > Based on the principle that an integer relates to a particular collection point irrespective of hardware, then keeping the same > number doesn't make sense, and might even cause confusion among RIS users. I do not think it would cause confusion. Anyway, when we do the changes, we should tell our users rrc08 is moved to PAIX because of not enough peers at MAE-West. > > At first _I_ didn't agree, but Rene and Lorenzo managed to convince me that they were right ;) > :-) I think I should chat with Rene, and Lorenzo to get some tips to convince you :-) Arife > Cheers, > Matthew > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ris-int-admin at ripe.net [mailto:ris-int-admin at ripe.net] > > On Behalf Of Arife Vural > > Sent: 16 August 2004 17:37 > > To: Matthew Williams > > Cc: ops at ripe.net; ris-int at ripe.net; 'James Aldridge'; 'Bruce Campbell' > > Subject: Re: [ripe.net #102454] [henk at ripe.net: Re: [ris-int] > > Re: RIPE NCC RIS box @ PAIX] > > > > > > > > > I think we had this discussion before re: rrc09, and then > > we came to a > > > different conclusion. At least, we should be consequent in order to > > > cause minimal confusion. What changed? > > > > rrc09 was bit different than rrc08. rrc09 did not have DB, rrc08 has > > and I like to continue to use the same DB when it moves to PAIX. And > > purpose of rrc08 was getting the view from West Coast and we > > will be available still at the West Coast. I do not think > > it's useful to split rawdata just because we will change IX > > at the same area. > > > > Arife > > From matthew at ripe.net Mon Aug 16 19:21:14 2004 From: matthew at ripe.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 19:21:14 +0200 Subject: [ripe.net #102454] [henk@ripe.net: Re: [ris-int] Re: RIPE NCC RIS box @ PAIX] In-Reply-To: <20040816170536.GB19688@ripe.net> Message-ID: <002601c483b5$6ec54dc0$1f0200c1@rockstar> > I do not think it would cause confusion. Anyway, when we do > the changes, we > should tell our users rrc08 is moved to PAIX because of not > enough peers at > MAE-West. What about if they _don't_ get the message? Please, Arife... Forget about the dbase naming schema. If I download raw data from repository for rrc08, it should only contain data from peers at Mae-West. Nothing else. Anything else would be confusing to the user, who isn't going to keep track of when rrc08 was moved to another location. So we decommision rrc08 (only the name, not hw) at the Mae-West, move the hw to Paix as rrcwhatever. Now the user only needs to know that rrc08 data is from peers at the Mae-West, and rrcwhatever from peers at Paix. The hardware is the same, but the _purpose_ of the hw is completely different. Renaming the box makes that _very_ clear to the user. Ask James when he gets back from hols. I'm sure he'll agree :) Cheers, Matthew > -----Original Message----- > From: ris-int-admin at ripe.net [mailto:ris-int-admin at ripe.net] > On Behalf Of Arife Vural > Sent: 16 August 2004 19:06 > To: Matthew Williams > Cc: ops at ripe.net; ris-int at ripe.net; 'James Aldridge'; 'Bruce Campbell' > Subject: Re: [ripe.net #102454] [henk at ripe.net: Re: [ris-int] > Re: RIPE NCC RIS box @ PAIX] > > > > > Sorry, I don't see your point. This case is exactly the > same as with > > rrc09: > > > > Based on the principle that an integer relates to a particular > > collection point irrespective of hardware, then keeping the same > > number doesn't make sense, and might even cause confusion among RIS > > users. > > I do not think it would cause confusion. Anyway, when we do > the changes, we > should tell our users rrc08 is moved to PAIX because of not > enough peers at > MAE-West. > > > > > At first _I_ didn't agree, but Rene and Lorenzo managed to > convince me > > that they were right ;) > > > > :-) > > I think I should chat with Rene, and Lorenzo to get some tips > to convince you :-) > > Arife > > > Cheers, > > Matthew > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: ris-int-admin at ripe.net [mailto:ris-int-admin at ripe.net] > > > On Behalf Of Arife Vural > > > Sent: 16 August 2004 17:37 > > > To: Matthew Williams > > > Cc: ops at ripe.net; ris-int at ripe.net; 'James Aldridge'; > 'Bruce Campbell' > > > Subject: Re: [ripe.net #102454] [henk at ripe.net: Re: [ris-int] > > > Re: RIPE NCC RIS box @ PAIX] > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we had this discussion before re: rrc09, and then > > > we came to a > > > > different conclusion. At least, we should be consequent > in order > > > > to > > > > cause minimal confusion. What changed? > > > > > > rrc09 was bit different than rrc08. rrc09 did not have > DB, rrc08 has > > > and I like to continue to use the same DB when it moves > to PAIX. And > > > purpose of rrc08 was getting the view from West Coast and we > > > will be available still at the West Coast. I do not think > > > it's useful to split rawdata just because we will change IX > > > at the same area. > > > > > > Arife > > > > From matthew at ripe.net Mon Aug 16 19:31:54 2004 From: matthew at ripe.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 19:31:54 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] RE: risintro In-Reply-To: <20040816165845.GA19688@ripe.net> Message-ID: <002701c483b6$ec7abdd0$1f0200c1@rockstar> I know you didn't mean it that way, but, after all the hassle with Comms, I'm a little unhappy about this. There was plenty of time for SED/Shane to give input on the risintro page from the point that Rene made his suggestion about a 'special' announcement page for RRC12. > > > > What was wrong with http://www.ripe.net/ris/risintro.html? > > > > I think it's a shame that you have dropped this promo > opportunity for > > "other services", and promo lies with NP, no?. Remember, > the RIS is a > > part of a whole package: Please be so kind and comment on above. I want to understand what your ideas were when you changed this (probably important for our managers too ;) Cheers, Matthew > -----Original Message----- > From: Arife Vural [mailto:arife at ripe.net] > Sent: 16 August 2004 18:59 > To: Matthew Williams > Cc: ris-int at ripe.net > Subject: Re: risintro > > > > Matthew, > > Why do not we look at those on Wed, when we look at new WWW? > > Arife > > On Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 06:45:31PM +0200, Matthew Williams wrote: > > BTW, you should also link to de-cix. > > > > http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/pub-services/np/ris/de-cix.html > > > > > > What was wrong with http://www.ripe.net/ris/risintro.html? > > > > I think it's a shame that you have dropped this promo > opportunity for > > "other services", and promo lies with NP, no?. Remember, > the RIS is a > > part of a whole package: > > > > +++ > > > > Useful Links > > > > * RIS Home Page > > * myASn > > * RISwhois > > * BGPlay > > * More RIS Tools > > * Weekly RIS Statistics Report > > > > * RIS Raw Data > > * RIS Looking Glass > > > > Other Services and Projects > > > > * K-root Local Mirror Instances > > * Test Traffic Measurements (TTM) > > * RIPE NCC DNS Monitoring (dnsmon) > > * Deployment of Internet Security Infrastructures (DISI) > > > > +++ > > > > Cheers, > > Matthew > > > > > > > > --- > > > Matthew Williams (MW243-RIPE) > > > Customer Liaison Engineer > > > RIPE NCC - http://www.ripe.net/np/ > From henk at ripe.net Mon Aug 16 21:03:05 2004 From: henk at ripe.net (Henk Uijterwaal (RIPE NCC)) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 21:03:05 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [ripe.net #102454] [henk@ripe.net: Re: [ris-int] Re: RIPE NCC RIS box @ PAIX] In-Reply-To: <002601c483b5$6ec54dc0$1f0200c1@rockstar> References: <002601c483b5$6ec54dc0$1f0200c1@rockstar> Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, Matthew Williams wrote: > > I do not think it would cause confusion. Anyway, when we do > > the changes, we > > should tell our users rrc08 is moved to PAIX because of not > > enough peers at > > MAE-West. > > What about if they _don't_ get the message? Please, Arife... Forget > about the dbase naming schema. I agree: 08 is the collection point MAE-West, 14 will be the collection point at PAIX. They have nothing to do with eachother. Last time I checked, we still had enough integers to rename a machine. Henk > > If I download raw data from repository for rrc08, it should only contain > data from peers at Mae-West. Nothing else. Anything else would be > confusing to the user, who isn't going to keep track of when rrc08 was > moved to another location. So we decommision rrc08 (only the name, not > hw) at the Mae-West, move the hw to Paix as rrcwhatever. Now the user > only needs to know that rrc08 data is from peers at the Mae-West, and > rrcwhatever from peers at Paix. The hardware is the same, but the > _purpose_ of the hw is completely different. Renaming the box makes that > _very_ clear to the user. > > Ask James when he gets back from hols. I'm sure he'll agree :) > > Cheers, > Matthew > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ris-int-admin at ripe.net [mailto:ris-int-admin at ripe.net] > > On Behalf Of Arife Vural > > Sent: 16 August 2004 19:06 > > To: Matthew Williams > > Cc: ops at ripe.net; ris-int at ripe.net; 'James Aldridge'; 'Bruce Campbell' > > Subject: Re: [ripe.net #102454] [henk at ripe.net: Re: [ris-int] > > Re: RIPE NCC RIS box @ PAIX] > > > > > > > > > Sorry, I don't see your point. This case is exactly the > > same as with > > > rrc09: > > > > > > Based on the principle that an integer relates to a particular > > > collection point irrespective of hardware, then keeping the same > > > number doesn't make sense, and might even cause confusion among RIS > > > users. > > > > I do not think it would cause confusion. Anyway, when we do > > the changes, we > > should tell our users rrc08 is moved to PAIX because of not > > enough peers at > > MAE-West. > > > > > > > > At first _I_ didn't agree, but Rene and Lorenzo managed to > > convince me > > > that they were right ;) > > > > > > > :-) > > > > I think I should chat with Rene, and Lorenzo to get some tips > > to convince you :-) > > > > Arife > > > > > Cheers, > > > Matthew > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: ris-int-admin at ripe.net [mailto:ris-int-admin at ripe.net] > > > > On Behalf Of Arife Vural > > > > Sent: 16 August 2004 17:37 > > > > To: Matthew Williams > > > > Cc: ops at ripe.net; ris-int at ripe.net; 'James Aldridge'; > > 'Bruce Campbell' > > > > Subject: Re: [ripe.net #102454] [henk at ripe.net: Re: [ris-int] > > > > Re: RIPE NCC RIS box @ PAIX] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we had this discussion before re: rrc09, and then > > > > we came to a > > > > > different conclusion. At least, we should be consequent > > in order > > > > > to > > > > > cause minimal confusion. What changed? > > > > > > > > rrc09 was bit different than rrc08. rrc09 did not have > > DB, rrc08 has > > > > and I like to continue to use the same DB when it moves > > to PAIX. And > > > > purpose of rrc08 was getting the view from West Coast and we > > > > will be available still at the West Coast. I do not think > > > > it's useful to split rawdata just because we will change IX > > > > at the same area. > > > > > > > > Arife > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Process and Procedure are the last hiding place of people without the wit and wisdom to do their job properly. (David Brent). From henk at ripe.net Mon Aug 16 21:08:23 2004 From: henk at ripe.net (Henk Uijterwaal (RIPE NCC)) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 21:08:23 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [ris-int] RE: risintro In-Reply-To: <002701c483b6$ec7abdd0$1f0200c1@rockstar> References: <002701c483b6$ec7abdd0$1f0200c1@rockstar> Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, Matthew Williams wrote: > I know you didn't mean it that way, but, after all the hassle with > Comms, I'm a little unhappy about this. There was plenty of time for > SED/Shane to give input on the risintro page from the point that Rene > made his suggestion about a 'special' announcement page for RRC12. > > > > > > > What was wrong with http://www.ripe.net/ris/risintro.html? > > > > > > I think it's a shame that you have dropped this promo > > opportunity for > > > "other services", and promo lies with NP, no?. Remember, > > the RIS is a > > > part of a whole package: > > Please be so kind and comment on above. I want to understand what your > ideas were when you changed this (probably important for our managers > too ;) Sorry to interfere, but I would prefer that we showed relevant links to other services in announcements like this. If a person is interested in one of them, he might be interested in other ones as well. Henk > > Cheers, > Matthew > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Arife Vural [mailto:arife at ripe.net] > > Sent: 16 August 2004 18:59 > > To: Matthew Williams > > Cc: ris-int at ripe.net > > Subject: Re: risintro > > > > > > > > Matthew, > > > > Why do not we look at those on Wed, when we look at new WWW? > > > > Arife > > > > On Mon, Aug 16, 2004 at 06:45:31PM +0200, Matthew Williams wrote: > > > BTW, you should also link to de-cix. > > > > > > http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/pub-services/np/ris/de-cix.html > > > > > > > > > What was wrong with http://www.ripe.net/ris/risintro.html? > > > > > > I think it's a shame that you have dropped this promo > > opportunity for > > > "other services", and promo lies with NP, no?. Remember, > > the RIS is a > > > part of a whole package: > > > > > > +++ > > > > > > Useful Links > > > > > > * RIS Home Page > > > * myASn > > > * RISwhois > > > * BGPlay > > > * More RIS Tools > > > * Weekly RIS Statistics Report > > > > > > * RIS Raw Data > > > * RIS Looking Glass > > > > > > Other Services and Projects > > > > > > * K-root Local Mirror Instances > > > * Test Traffic Measurements (TTM) > > > * RIPE NCC DNS Monitoring (dnsmon) > > > * Deployment of Internet Security Infrastructures (DISI) > > > > > > +++ > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Matthew > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > Matthew Williams (MW243-RIPE) > > > > Customer Liaison Engineer > > > > RIPE NCC - http://www.ripe.net/np/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Process and Procedure are the last hiding place of people without the wit and wisdom to do their job properly. (David Brent). From arife at ripe.net Tue Aug 17 00:05:07 2004 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 00:05:07 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] risintro In-Reply-To: <002401c483b0$71ccdab0$1f0200c1@rockstar> References: <002401c483b0$71ccdab0$1f0200c1@rockstar> Message-ID: <20040816220507.GC19688@ripe.net> > BTW, you should also link to de-cix. > >From where? > http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/pub-services/np/ris/de-cix.html > > > What was wrong with http://www.ripe.net/ris/risintro.html? > It looks OK. > I think it's a shame that you have dropped this promo opportunity for "other services", and promo lies with NP, no?. Remember, the > RIS is a part of a whole package: I do not have any problems with promoto other NP services. If you check new pages, you would see the link other NP services, and if you think we should add more, we can do it. I do not see any problem about it. Old WWW pages, I have not done any structural changes. Sorry, I'm totally confused, am I missed any e-mail thread? Arife > > +++ > > Useful Links > > * RIS Home Page > * myASn > * RISwhois > * BGPlay > * More RIS Tools > * Weekly RIS Statistics Report > > * RIS Raw Data > * RIS Looking Glass > > Other Services and Projects > > * K-root Local Mirror Instances > * Test Traffic Measurements (TTM) > * RIPE NCC DNS Monitoring (dnsmon) > * Deployment of Internet Security Infrastructures (DISI) > > +++ > > Cheers, > Matthew > > > > --- > > Matthew Williams (MW243-RIPE) > > Customer Liaison Engineer > > RIPE NCC - http://www.ripe.net/np/ From arife at ripe.net Tue Aug 17 00:27:06 2004 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 00:27:06 +0200 Subject: [ripe.net #102454] [henk@ripe.net: Re: [ris-int] Re: RIPE NCC RIS box @ PAIX] In-Reply-To: <002601c483b5$6ec54dc0$1f0200c1@rockstar> References: <20040816170536.GB19688@ripe.net> <002601c483b5$6ec54dc0$1f0200c1@rockstar> Message-ID: <20040816222705.GD19688@ripe.net> We do not have to make decision today. When Shane and James get back from vacation, I like to check with them. Arife From wilhelm at ripe.net Tue Aug 17 02:42:33 2004 From: wilhelm at ripe.net (Rene Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 02:42:33 +0200 Subject: [ripe.net #102454] [henk@ripe.net: Re: [ris-int] Re: RIPE NCC RIS box @ PAIX] In-Reply-To: Message from Arife Vural of "Tue, 17 Aug 2004 00:27:06 +0200." <20040816222705.GD19688@ripe.net> Message-ID: <200408170042.i7H0gXW7006528@birch.ripe.net> > We do not have to make decision today. When Shane and James get > back from vacation, I like to check with them. for what it's worth, I agree with Matthew and Henk to rename rrc08 when it moves out of MAE WEST. It is the easiest clue to anyone *using* the data that something drastically has changed. If you DO NOT rename rrc08, *everyone* using the data will have to keep in mind at what day the machine moved from mae to paix. RISreports, historic trends, graphs, will no longer be clear by themselves, as with every oddity seen in rrc08, one will have to check if it is before or after the move date. Why create that burden when NCC can simply rename to rrc14? -- Rene From matthew at ripe.net Tue Aug 17 10:12:29 2004 From: matthew at ripe.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 10:12:29 +0200 Subject: [ripe.net #102454] [henk@ripe.net: Re: [ris-int] Re: RIPE NCC RIS box @ PAIX] In-Reply-To: <20040816222705.GD19688@ripe.net> Message-ID: <00a901c48431$f0a537c0$aaa8a8c0@rockstar> Sure, especially if you have time on your hands, however, I think you'll find that they'll agree with Henk, Rene, Lorenzo and myself. Cheers, Matthew > -----Original Message----- > From: ris-int-admin at ripe.net [mailto:ris-int-admin at ripe.net] > On Behalf Of Arife Vural > Sent: 17 August 2004 00:27 > To: Matthew Williams > Cc: ris-int at ripe.net; 'James Aldridge'; 'Bruce Campbell' > Subject: Re: [ripe.net #102454] [henk at ripe.net: Re: [ris-int] > Re: RIPE NCC RIS box @ PAIX] > > > > We do not have to make decision today. When Shane and James > get back from vacation, I like to check with them. > > Arife > From matthew at ripe.net Tue Aug 17 10:21:45 2004 From: matthew at ripe.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 10:21:45 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] risintro In-Reply-To: <20040816220507.GC19688@ripe.net> Message-ID: <00aa01c48433$3bd686d0$aaa8a8c0@rockstar> > > > BTW, you should also link to de-cix. > > > > >From where? Somewhere on the page, see: http://www.ripe.net/ris/rrc12.html for ideas. > > > http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/pub-services/np/ris/de-cix.html > > > > > > What was wrong with http://www.ripe.net/ris/risintro.html? > > > > It looks OK. So why the change? > > > I think it's a shame that you have dropped this promo > opportunity for > > "other services", and promo lies with NP, no?. Remember, > the RIS is a > > part of a whole package: > > I do not have any problems with promoto other NP services. If > you check new pages, you would see the link other NP > services, and if you think we should add more, we can do it. > I do not see any problem about it. Fine. > > Old WWW pages, I have not done any structural changes. I don't understand what you're saying ... > > Sorry, I'm totally confused, am I missed any e-mail thread? Probably, see attached mail. /Matthew > > Arife > > > > > > > +++ > > > > Useful Links > > > > * RIS Home Page > > * myASn > > * RISwhois > > * BGPlay > > * More RIS Tools > > * Weekly RIS Statistics Report > > > > * RIS Raw Data > > * RIS Looking Glass > > > > Other Services and Projects > > > > * K-root Local Mirror Instances > > * Test Traffic Measurements (TTM) > > * RIPE NCC DNS Monitoring (dnsmon) > > * Deployment of Internet Security Infrastructures (DISI) > > > > +++ > > > > Cheers, > > Matthew > > > > > > > > --- > > > Matthew Williams (MW243-RIPE) > > > Customer Liaison Engineer > > > RIPE NCC - http://www.ripe.net/np/ > -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: [ris-int] Re_ RRC12 announcement on www_ripe_net.txt URL: From arife at ripe.net Tue Aug 17 10:57:24 2004 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 10:57:24 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] risintro In-Reply-To: <00aa01c48433$3bd686d0$aaa8a8c0@rockstar> References: <20040816220507.GC19688@ripe.net> <00aa01c48433$3bd686d0$aaa8a8c0@rockstar> Message-ID: <20040817085724.GA11060@ripe.net> Hi Matthew, I really do not know which changes you are talking about and discuss this issue by e-mail does not make thing easy. I suggest you to look at this issue tomorrow's meeting or you can drop by today any time and we look at it together and fix it whatever is wrong. Arife From arife at ripe.net Tue Aug 17 11:22:47 2004 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 11:22:47 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] risintro In-Reply-To: <00aa01c48433$3bd686d0$aaa8a8c0@rockstar> References: <20040816220507.GC19688@ripe.net> <00aa01c48433$3bd686d0$aaa8a8c0@rockstar> Message-ID: <20040817092247.GC11060@ripe.net> After chat with Matthew on the phone, it looks there is a misunderstanding. > > > http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/pub-services/np/ris/de-cix.html This is not the page I prepared. It looks it was prepared by Comms. Arife From ris-request at ripe.net Tue Aug 17 11:31:43 2004 From: ris-request at ripe.net (RIS) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 11:31:43 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] Fw: NCC#2004081626 [Re: Test allocations] Message-ID: <200408170931.i7H9VhGH014605@x12.ripe.net> FYI: rrc03 is stopped announcing those prefixes. I removed route object entries from RIPE DB as well. Arife ----- Begin forwarded message ----- Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 09:49:38 +0200 From: Mike Petuschak To: RIS Subject: Re: NCC#2004081626 Test allocations Message-Id: <20040817074938.GA3324 at ripe.net> Dear Arife, Please only remove the ranges from 85/8, i.e. network 85.192.0.0/16 network 85.255.248.0/21 the following route objects needs to be removed too: route: 85.192.0.0/16 descr: RIPE-NCC-RIS New Allocation Filter Checking origin: AS12654 mnt-by: RIPE-NCC-RIS-MNT changed: risops at ripe.net 20040402 source: RIPE route: 85.255.248.0/21 descr: RIPE-NCC-RIS New Allocation Filter Checking origin: AS12654 mnt-by: RIPE-NCC-RIS-MNT changed: risops at ripe.net 20040402 source: RIPE From matthew at ripe.net Tue Aug 17 11:47:23 2004 From: matthew at ripe.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 11:47:23 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] risintro In-Reply-To: <20040817092247.GC11060@ripe.net> Message-ID: <00b801c4843f$32745f70$aaa8a8c0@rockstar> Thanks for clearing this up. Sent mail to Henk with both you and Shane in cc. Cheers, Matthew > -----Original Message----- > From: ris-int-admin at ripe.net [mailto:ris-int-admin at ripe.net] > On Behalf Of Arife Vural > Sent: 17 August 2004 11:23 > To: Matthew Williams > Cc: ris-int at ripe.net > Subject: Re: [ris-int] risintro > > > > After chat with Matthew on the phone, it looks there is a > misunderstanding. > > > > > http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/pub-services/np/ris/de-cix.html > > This is not the page I prepared. It looks it was prepared by Comms. > > Arife > From arife at ripe.net Tue Aug 17 12:10:48 2004 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 12:10:48 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] RIPE NCC RIS Project - De-Bogonising Update In-Reply-To: <2147483647.1082043702@guest-wv-22.ripe.net> References: <2147483647.1082043702@guest-wv-22.ripe.net> Message-ID: <20040817101048.GG14443@ripe.net> Apologies for duplicate messages. Part of De-Bogonising New Address Blocks Activity, we are announcing prefixes from 85/8 on RRC03. Prefixes from 85/8 are now in regular production use so we are no longer announcing 85.192.0.0/16 and 85.255.248.0/21. If you have filters to accept those prefixes from AS12654, please update them accordingly. Kind regards. Arife From james at ripe.net Wed Aug 18 11:29:43 2004 From: james at ripe.net (James Aldridge) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 11:29:43 +0200 Subject: [ripe.net #102454] [henk@ripe.net: Re: [ris-int] Re: RIPE NCC RIS box @ PAIX] In-Reply-To: Message from Rene Wilhelm of "Tue, 17 Aug 2004 02:42:33 +0200." <200408170042.i7H0gXW7006528@birch.ripe.net> Message-ID: <200408180929.i7I9ThW7008360@birch.ripe.net> Rene Wilhelm wrote: > > > We do not have to make decision today. When Shane and James get > > back from vacation, I like to check with them. > > for what it's worth, I agree with Matthew and Henk to rename rrc08 > when it moves out of MAE WEST. It is the easiest clue to anyone > *using* the data that something drastically has changed. > > If you DO NOT rename rrc08, *everyone* using the data will have > to keep in mind at what day the machine moved from mae to paix. > RISreports, historic trends, graphs, will no longer be clear > by themselves, as with every oddity seen in rrc08, one will have > to check if it is before or after the move date. > > Why create that burden when NCC can simply rename to rrc14? I'd choose to go for rrc14 for all the same reasons. James From matthew at ripe.net Wed Aug 18 19:43:50 2004 From: matthew at ripe.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 19:43:50 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] RE: myASn in training In-Reply-To: <20040817202547.6cdaa354.BECHA@ripe.net> Message-ID: <001b01c4854a$ecad48f0$1f0200c1@rockstar> > > Hi Matthew, all, > > let's meet to talk about it :) Will you make the C-time entry? > Will do. Who should be there? Arife, Arno, you and I? > On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 14:04:00 +0200 > "Matthew Williams" wrote: > > > [thanks for the hook-up, Rumy] > > > > Hi Vesna, > > > > Arife should be included on this too. > > > > > Vesna: could you discuss this with Matthew (and if necessary > > > Arno and/or > > > Ferenc) and let me know what your thoughts are? > > > > Include a section in rr training? > > > > We already have one slide in the RR course about the myASn; > sometimes we used to show the demo (but I think my account > expired...). Nope, should be okay unless you're trying to access the old prototype. > > We can maybe change that -- depending on how much attention > you want to give to this service, and how much space we can > "free-up" in the curent course, and how it fits with the rest > of topics.. > > Personally, I would prefere if we can do some hands-on with > the "myASn", but that would require opening 20 (or 5?) > demo-accounts for each course, thinking of the tasks to give > to the participants (or sub-groups), deciding what are the > most useful features to let them see/practice, how much time > it takes to do all that etc... > > I guess this brain-dump puts some of the topics on the agenda > for the meeting :) Fine. Cheers, Matthew > > > Cheers, > > Matthew > > > > ciao, > becha > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Rumy Kanis [mailto:rumy at ripe.net] > > > Sent: 17 August 2004 13:55 > > > To: Matthew Williams; 'Rumy Kanis'; becha at ripe.net > > > Cc: 'Henk Uijterwaal'; 'Matthew Williams' > > > Subject: myASn in training > > > > > > > > > Hi Matthew, > > > > > > I am sort of getting back up to speed again :-) but still > > > drowning in my mails. > > > > > > I am including Vesna in this reply, I think it would be best > > > if you discuss > > > this with her. Vesna has the overall responsibility over the > > > different > > > training courses and their content (Arno has > responsibility over the > > > advanced courses, Ferenc over the LIR). Vesna will have a good > > > understanding of whether this fits into one of our trainings > > > and if so, > > > into which one and in what format. > > > > > > Vesna: could you discuss this with Matthew (and if necessary > > > Arno and/or > > > Ferenc) and let me know what your thoughts are? > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Rumy > > > > > > > > > At 02:37 PM 7/29/2004 +0200, Matthew Williams wrote: > > > >Hi Rumy, > > > > > > > >I see that you're on VAC until mid-Aug. Please get back > to me when > > > >you're > > > >up to speed again. > > > > > > > >Hope hols were relaxing :) > > > > > > > >Cheers, > > > >Matthew > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Matthew Williams [mailto:matthew at ripe.net] > > > > > Sent: 22 July 2004 18:02 > > > > > To: 'Rumy Kanis' > > > > > Cc: 'Henk Uijterwaal' > > > > > Subject: FW: Announcement Routing Registry Training Courses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Rumy, > > > > > > > > > > Henk suggested that I get in touch with you about > > > including a myASn > > > > > section into one of your trainings. Version 1 will be > > > ready before > > > > > the next RIPE meeting. Any thoughts? ;) > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > Matthew > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: routing-wg-admin at ripe.net > > > [mailto:routing-wg-admin at ripe.net] > > > > > > On Behalf Of RIPE NCC Training > > > > > > Sent: 21 July 2004 16:27 > > > > > > To: local-ir at ripe.net; db-wg at ripe.net; routing-wg at ripe.net; > > > > > > irrtoolset at ripe.net > > > > > > Subject: Announcement Routing Registry Training Courses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Colleagues, > > > > > > > > > > > > [apologies for duplicate postings] > > > > > > > > > > > > As a service to its members the RIPE NCC offers the "Routing > > > > > > Registry Training Course". > > > > > > > > > > > > The main objective of the "Routing Registry Training > > > Course" is to > > > > > > familiarise the LIRs with the features of the Routing > > > > > > Registry, > > > > > > while introducing the relevant tools and services of > > > the RIPE NCC. > > > > > > The course also offers practical exercises. > > > > > > > > > > > > OVERVIEW OF TOPICS COVERED IN THE COURSE: > > > > > > - Routing Registry as a part of the RIPE Whois Database and > > > > > > the > > > > > > Internet Routing Registry (IRR) > > > > > > - Specifying routing policies using (RPSL) > > > > > > Routing Policy Specification Language and the RtConfig tool > > > > > > - IRRToolSet > > > > > > - Routing Information Service (RIS) > > > > > > - Routing Registry Consistency Check Project > > > > > > > > > > > > Please note that this is an advanced course. It will: > > > > > > - NOT teach the basics of routing > > > > > > - NOT teach the basics of RIPE Database operations, > > > > > > - NOT describe how to receive Internet resources from > > > the RIPE NCC > > > > > > - NOT describe how to operate a Local Internet > Registry (LIR) > > > > > > > > > > > > The target audience of the course are technical staff of > > > > > > LIRs: e.g. network operators, engineers etc. This course is > > > > > > not > > > > > > intended for administrative or management staff (e.g. > > > > > > Hostmasters) . It is assumed that all attendees will be > > > > > familiar with > > > > > > Border Gateway Protocol routing and with the RIPE > > > Database (i.e. > > > > > > creating/modifying objects). > > > > > > > > > > > > This course is based on interactive exercises in a > > > local network > > > > > > set-up. Please bring your laptops equipped with the > > > > > following: > > > > > > - A working Ethernet card, > > > > > > - Three meters of Ethernet cable, > > > > > > - A secure connection client, > > > > > > - A web browser. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please be prepared to share your laptop (or at least > > > allow another > > > > > > attendee to "look over your shoulder") if necessary. > > > > > > > > > > > > The Routing Registry Training Course is conducted in > > > the English > > > > > > language and is free of charge, since it is covered by the > > > > > > membership fee. > > > > > > > > > > > > More information about the Routing Registry Training > > > Course can be > > > > > > found > > > > > > at: http://www.ripe.net/training/rr/ > > > > > > > > > > > > REGISTRATION: > > > > > > > > > > > > You can register for a Routing Registry Training > Course at the > > > > > > following URL: > http://www.ripe.net/cgi-bin/trainingform.pl.cgi > > > > > > > > > > > > Or by completing the registration form at the end of > > > this e-mail > > > > > > and replying to . In order to > > > register for a > > > > > > Routing Registry Training Course you must be an > > > employee of an LIR > > > > > > and either: > > > > > > - be an LIR contact > > > > > > - be confirmed by an LIR contact > > > > > > > > > > > > LIR contacts are those employees of an LIR who are > > > registered with > > > > > > RIPE NCC as authoritative contact persons. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is expected that most of those interested in the Routing > > > > > > Registry Training Course will not be an > authoritative contact > > > > > > person for their LIR, and therefore will be, refused by > > > the course > > > > > > registration "robot". In order to be admitted to > the course, a > > > > > > confirmation e-mail must be sent to > . Please > > > > > > approach the LIR contacts from your organisation personally, > > > > > > since the identity of LIR contacts is confidential, and the > > > > > > RIPE NCC is > > > > > > unable to divulge contact persons for any given LIR. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > > > Training Team > > > > > > RIPE NCC > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************************** > > > > > > ************** > > > > > > > > > > > > COURSE DATES AND VENUES > > > > > > ======================== > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Friday 15 October 2004 > > > > > > Time: 0900 - 1700 > > > > > > Location: Geneva, Switzerland > > > > > > > > > > > > AND: > > > > > > Date: Tuesday 23 November 2004 > > > > > > Time: 0900 - 1700 > > > > > > Location: Damascus, Syria > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AND: > > > > > > Date: Friday 17 December 2004 > > > > > > Time: 0900 - 1700 > > > > > > Location: Amsterdam, the Netherlands > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************************** > > > > > > *************** > > > > > > > > > > > > REGISTRATION FORM > > > > > > ================= > > > > > > > > > > > > %START > > > > > > > > > > > > PART 1 - Registration > > > > > > 1) Your name > > > > > > Enter First name, Last name in full > > > > > > e.g. John Doe > > > > > > Mary-Beth Walton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > # NAME [ ] > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Your Registry ID (format: country-code. registry>) > > > > > > > > > > > > # REG [ ] > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Your e-mail address > > > > > > > > > > > > # EMAIL [ ] > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) Your NIC handle (optional) > > > > > > > > > > > > # NICHANDLE [ ] > > > > > > > > > > > > 5) The course you plan to attend (date and location) > > > > > > > > > > > > # COURSE [ ] > > > > > > > > > > > > %END > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > The Roman Rule: > The one who says it cannot be done > should never interrupt the one who is doing it. > From matthew at ripe.net Wed Aug 18 19:53:41 2004 From: matthew at ripe.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 19:53:41 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] Fw: NCC#2004081420 [RIPE beacon request!] In-Reply-To: <200408161040.i7GAeM2B027491@x12.ripe.net> Message-ID: <001d01c4854c$4c628430$1f0200c1@rockstar> If we have the address space available, shouldn't we just go ahead and help him out? Providing he makes the appropriate references when the results are published, of course ;) Cheers, Matthew > -----Original Message----- > From: ris-int-admin at ripe.net [mailto:ris-int-admin at ripe.net] > On Behalf Of RIS > Sent: 16 August 2004 12:40 > To: ris-int at ripe.net > Subject: [ris-int] Fw: NCC#2004081420 [RIPE beacon request!] > > > Hi guys, > > What do you think about the following request? It looks he is > asking to extend our anycast failover scenario to more RRCs. > > After discussing with him what kind of patterns he needs, we > can use same prefix or we can use one of the free Beacon Prefixes. > > Arife > > ----- Begin forwarded message ----- > > Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 20:39:14 -0400 > From: "Hitesh Ballani" > To: > Subject: NCC#2004081420 RIPE beacon request! > Message-Id: > <81224EA6DDA07C43BC7555E32401029E054219 at EXCHVS2.cs.cornell.edu> > > > Hello, > > I was wondering if you could spare a beacon for the following > experiment: At the moment, one of your beacons > (195.80.233.0/24) at advertised from 2 locations - LINX and > AMS-IX. An interesting question is to study anycast fail-over > time from an end user perspective - i.e given that the > advertisement is withdrawn from AMS-IX at a particular > instant, how long is it before convergence is reached and > packets from a node, which were earlier being routed to > AMS-IX, are routed to LINX. I tried running this experiment > from a bunch of nodes on Planetlab but I have not been able > to locate any node whose packets are routed to AMS-IX and so, > I am never able to analyze the convergence time (for that > matter, even nodes in Netherlands have their packets routed > to LINX). Here, "packets being routed to LINX" implies that > periodic traceroutes from my Planetlab sites show so. This is > important to me as I am currently working an a proxy based > deployment model for IP anycast and so anycast failover time > through BGP is critical for me (see > http://www.cs.cornell.edu/People/francis/pias.pdf > and > http://www.cs.cornell.edu/People/francis/pias/pias-worlds.pdf > for details!). As a matter of fact we are in the process of > obtaining 3 /22 blocks from ARIN for this very purpose - > however, given the long drawn nature of that process, I > thought it would be nice if I could use your advertisement > infrastructure to answer some niggling questions which are > critical for the success of our proposal. > > I was wondering if it would be possible for me to get a > beacon to be advertised from more locations (ideally, from > America(RRC08), Europe(a number of locations), and > Asia(RRC06)). While a beacon being advertised from 2 > locations would suffice for the above experiment, but > advertisements from more than 2 locations would allow me to > look at other stuff such as - How good is IP anycast at > selecting nearby locations? Ideally, when a node sends out a > packet to a anycast location, it should be routed to the > destination which is closest - but with the policy based > nature of BGP, it is not clear if it does. Such an experiment > would make more sense with greater number of advertising > locations. I tried determining answers to these questions > using the anycasted root servers and the servers belonging to > the AS-112 project but the hierarchical nature of their > deployment prevents me from coming to any conclusions. While > the above description may sound as if I am looking for just > an end-user analysis, but I will also be looking at BGP > updates for the anycast prefix to determine if advertising a > prefix from many locations has an adverse impact on the > visibility of the prefix due to reasons such as route flap dampening. > > If the above description sounds terribly confusing, I will be > glad to provide additional details about the experiments I > plan to run. Also, if such an arrangement is possible, I will > plan out the detailed A/W pattern and the sites involved. > > Thanks, > Hitesh > ------ End forwarded message ------ > From arife at ripe.net Thu Aug 19 18:18:11 2004 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 18:18:11 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] Re: RIPE NCC RIS box @ PAIX In-Reply-To: <20040814101626.GA27752@ripe.net> References: <20040809130334.GB7922@ripe.net> <20040812212208.5F82113951@sa.vix.com> <20040814101626.GA27752@ripe.net> Message-ID: <20040819161811.GN20804@ripe.net> Hi, > > i think i can do this. i'm working with the paix people now. I was wondering whether there is any progress about this issue. If you could provide me the address to deliver the RIS box, I would contact MAE-West people to arrange the delivery to PAIX. Arife From paul at vix.com Thu Aug 19 19:57:12 2004 From: paul at vix.com (Paul Vixie) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 17:57:12 +0000 Subject: [ris-int] Re: RIPE NCC RIS box @ PAIX In-Reply-To: Message from Arife Vural of "Thu, 19 Aug 2004 18:18:11 +0200." <20040819161811.GN20804@ripe.net> Message-ID: <20040819175712.4CE9013951@sa.vix.com> > > > i think i can do this. i'm working with the paix people now. > > I was wondering whether there is any progress about this issue. yes. after a brief scare, the new owners of PAIX ("switch and data") have decided not to throw ISC out of their facility after all. now, all that remains is to negotiate for another port on their switching fabric. it's likely that this will be granted. > If you could provide me the address to deliver the RIS box, I would > contact MAE-West people to arrange the delivery to PAIX. the best thing is if you have the mae-west people contact peter losher, who operates the f-root node at mae-west and who has therefore seen your host since we're in the same lab. peter will want to take your box back to ISC and then move it to a PAIX-connected location later on. it could be that we'll put it at PAIX, but it could also be that we'll put it at "200 paul" which also has PAIX connectivity. "200 paul" is where our other RIPE-owned box (204.152.184.211) is located. cc'ing plosher so he'll know what's going on. From arife at ripe.net Fri Aug 20 12:43:54 2004 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 12:43:54 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] Re: RIPE NCC RIS box @ PAIX In-Reply-To: <20040819175712.4CE9013951@sa.vix.com> References: <20040819161811.GN20804@ripe.net> <20040819175712.4CE9013951@sa.vix.com> Message-ID: <20040820104354.GD11594@ripe.net> > yes. after a brief scare, the new owners of PAIX ("switch and data") have > decided not to throw ISC out of their facility after all. now, all that :-) > remains is to negotiate for another port on their switching fabric. it's > likely that this will be granted. > OK. > > If you could provide me the address to deliver the RIS box, I would > > contact MAE-West people to arrange the delivery to PAIX. > > the best thing is if you have the mae-west people contact peter losher, who > operates the f-root node at mae-west and who has therefore seen your host > since we're in the same lab. peter will want to take your box back to ISC > and then move it to a PAIX-connected location later on. it could be that That would be great, now I send an e-mail to MAE-West people about moving RIS box and also let them know Peter. I will be away from office next week. The week after if the port is granted and IP config is fixed, we can do the config changes on the box and deliver it to PAIX. Hope it sounds a reasonable plan. Regards. Arife > we'll put it at PAIX, but it could also be that we'll put it at "200 paul" > which also has PAIX connectivity. "200 paul" is where our other RIPE-owned > box (204.152.184.211) is located. cc'ing plosher so he'll know what's going > on. From arife at ripe.net Fri Aug 20 12:54:31 2004 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 12:54:31 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] I'm not IN next week. Message-ID: <20040820105431.GE11594@ripe.net> Hi guys, I'll be in London for training next week and most probably I could not read my RIPE NCC inbox. If you would need anything from me, please contact with me by personal e-mail or by phone, E-mail: arife at xs4all.nl Phone: +31 61 471 8561 Vasco will continue to check RIS inbox as he usually does. But, he might need some help about some user request. For those cases, if you guys, Matthew and James, can give a hand to him, I will be really appreaciated. Arife From arife at ripe.net Fri Aug 20 13:21:07 2004 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 13:21:07 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] Monday RIS meeting Message-ID: <20040820112107.GF11594@ripe.net> Hi all, I'm not in next week, so I could not make RIS meeting. But, if you have any agenda items, please go and have the meeting. But, please do not forget to send minutes to the list. Arife From arife at ripe.net Fri Aug 20 15:05:24 2004 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 15:05:24 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] RIS box @ MAE-West Message-ID: <20040820130524.GA21467@ripe.net> Hi Thomas, Joe, On RRC08, we could not get enough peers and that makes the route collector less functional. Because of that, we are thinking to relocate RRC08 at PAIX. We hope that would give us a chance to get more peers and better view there. Peter Losher will help us to move the box from MAE-West to PAIX. We are hoping to do those changes early September. I would like to thank you all your help for hosting RRC08 at MAE-West. Kind regards. Arife From arife at ripe.net Fri Aug 20 16:42:23 2004 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 16:42:23 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] New RIS rawdata backup schedule Message-ID: <20040820144222.GH11594@ripe.net> Just for your information: OPS took over the backup of rawdata from me. I passed all tapes to OPS. New backup schedule is: OPS keep two copy of the data, one is at OPS safe place and the other one is at ABN-Amro safe. Rawdata is written into tapes at OPS safe place once in a week (Firday's). For ABN-Amro, I do not know the schedule yet. OPS related doc is available at http://iii.ripe.net/ops/docs/areas/services/backup/risbackup.html OPS also will do zero level backup, but time schedule is not decided yet. I have updated RIS operational doc through the latest changes. http://iii.ripe.net/sed/twiki/bin/view/Doc/RISOperationalDocumentation Arife From henk at ripe.net Mon Aug 23 12:09:45 2004 From: henk at ripe.net (Henk Uijterwaal (RIPE NCC)) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:09:45 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [ris-int] Fw: NCC#2004081420 [RIPE beacon request!] In-Reply-To: <001d01c4854c$4c628430$1f0200c1@rockstar> References: <001d01c4854c$4c628430$1f0200c1@rockstar> Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Aug 2004, Matthew Williams wrote: > If we have the address space available, shouldn't we just go ahead and > help him out? Providing he makes the appropriate references when the > results are published, of course ;) As we discussed this morning: yes, let's just do this for a month or two. Henk > > Cheers, > Matthew > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ris-int-admin at ripe.net [mailto:ris-int-admin at ripe.net] > > On Behalf Of RIS > > Sent: 16 August 2004 12:40 > > To: ris-int at ripe.net > > Subject: [ris-int] Fw: NCC#2004081420 [RIPE beacon request!] > > > > > > Hi guys, > > > > What do you think about the following request? It looks he is > > asking to extend our anycast failover scenario to more RRCs. > > > > After discussing with him what kind of patterns he needs, we > > can use same prefix or we can use one of the free Beacon Prefixes. > > > > Arife > > > > ----- Begin forwarded message ----- > > > > Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 20:39:14 -0400 > > From: "Hitesh Ballani" > > To: > > Subject: NCC#2004081420 RIPE beacon request! > > Message-Id: > > <81224EA6DDA07C43BC7555E32401029E054219 at EXCHVS2.cs.cornell.edu> > > > > > > Hello, > > > > I was wondering if you could spare a beacon for the following > > experiment: At the moment, one of your beacons > > (195.80.233.0/24) at advertised from 2 locations - LINX and > > AMS-IX. An interesting question is to study anycast fail-over > > time from an end user perspective - i.e given that the > > advertisement is withdrawn from AMS-IX at a particular > > instant, how long is it before convergence is reached and > > packets from a node, which were earlier being routed to > > AMS-IX, are routed to LINX. I tried running this experiment > > from a bunch of nodes on Planetlab but I have not been able > > to locate any node whose packets are routed to AMS-IX and so, > > I am never able to analyze the convergence time (for that > > matter, even nodes in Netherlands have their packets routed > > to LINX). Here, "packets being routed to LINX" implies that > > periodic traceroutes from my Planetlab sites show so. This is > > important to me as I am currently working an a proxy based > > deployment model for IP anycast and so anycast failover time > > through BGP is critical for me (see > > http://www.cs.cornell.edu/People/francis/pias.pdf > > and > > http://www.cs.cornell.edu/People/francis/pias/pias-worlds.pdf > > for details!). As a matter of fact we are in the process of > > obtaining 3 /22 blocks from ARIN for this very purpose - > > however, given the long drawn nature of that process, I > > thought it would be nice if I could use your advertisement > > infrastructure to answer some niggling questions which are > > critical for the success of our proposal. > > > > I was wondering if it would be possible for me to get a > > beacon to be advertised from more locations (ideally, from > > America(RRC08), Europe(a number of locations), and > > Asia(RRC06)). While a beacon being advertised from 2 > > locations would suffice for the above experiment, but > > advertisements from more than 2 locations would allow me to > > look at other stuff such as - How good is IP anycast at > > selecting nearby locations? Ideally, when a node sends out a > > packet to a anycast location, it should be routed to the > > destination which is closest - but with the policy based > > nature of BGP, it is not clear if it does. Such an experiment > > would make more sense with greater number of advertising > > locations. I tried determining answers to these questions > > using the anycasted root servers and the servers belonging to > > the AS-112 project but the hierarchical nature of their > > deployment prevents me from coming to any conclusions. While > > the above description may sound as if I am looking for just > > an end-user analysis, but I will also be looking at BGP > > updates for the anycast prefix to determine if advertising a > > prefix from many locations has an adverse impact on the > > visibility of the prefix due to reasons such as route flap dampening. > > > > If the above description sounds terribly confusing, I will be > > glad to provide additional details about the experiments I > > plan to run. Also, if such an arrangement is possible, I will > > plan out the detailed A/W pattern and the sites involved. > > > > Thanks, > > Hitesh > > ------ End forwarded message ------ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Process and Procedure are the last hiding place of people without the wit and wisdom to do their job properly. (David Brent). From henk at ripe.net Mon Aug 23 12:10:09 2004 From: henk at ripe.net (Henk Uijterwaal (RIPE NCC)) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 12:10:09 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [ris-int] Fw: NCC#2004081420 [RIPE beacon request!] In-Reply-To: <200408161040.i7GAeM2B027491@x12.ripe.net> References: <200408161040.i7GAeM2B027491@x12.ripe.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Aug 2004, RIS wrote: > Hi guys, > > What do you think about the following request? It looks he is > asking to extend our anycast failover scenario to more RRCs. > > After discussing with him what kind of patterns he needs, we > can use same prefix or we can use one of the free Beacon Prefixes. Use one of the free ones. H. > > Arife > > ----- Begin forwarded message ----- > > Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 20:39:14 -0400 > From: "Hitesh Ballani" > To: > Subject: NCC#2004081420 RIPE beacon request! > Message-Id: <81224EA6DDA07C43BC7555E32401029E054219 at EXCHVS2.cs.cornell.edu> > > > Hello, > > I was wondering if you could spare a beacon for the following experiment: At > the moment, one of your beacons (195.80.233.0/24) at advertised from 2 > locations - LINX and AMS-IX. An interesting question is to study anycast > fail-over time from an end user perspective - i.e given that the > advertisement is withdrawn from AMS-IX at a particular instant, how long is > it before convergence is reached and packets from a node, which were earlier > being routed to AMS-IX, are routed to LINX. I tried running this experiment > from a bunch of nodes on Planetlab but I have not been able to locate any > node whose packets are routed to AMS-IX and so, I am never able to analyze > the convergence time (for that matter, even nodes in Netherlands have their > packets routed to LINX). Here, "packets being routed to LINX" implies that > periodic traceroutes from my Planetlab sites show so. This is important to me > as I am currently working an a proxy based deployment model for IP anycast > and so anycast failover time through BGP is critical for me (see > http://www.cs.cornell.edu/People/francis/pias.pdf > and > http://www.cs.cornell.edu/People/francis/pias/pias-worlds.pdf for details!). > As a matter of fact we are in the process of obtaining 3 /22 blocks from ARIN > for this very purpose - however, given the long drawn nature of that process, > I thought it would be nice if I could use your advertisement infrastructure > to answer some niggling questions which are critical for the success of our > proposal. > > I was wondering if it would be possible for me to get a beacon to be > advertised from more locations (ideally, from America(RRC08), Europe(a number > of locations), and Asia(RRC06)). While a beacon being advertised from 2 > locations would suffice for the above experiment, but advertisements from > more than 2 locations would allow me to look at other stuff such as - How > good is IP anycast at selecting nearby locations? Ideally, when a node sends > out a packet to a anycast location, it should be routed to the destination > which is closest - but with the policy based nature of BGP, it is not clear > if it does. Such an experiment would make more sense with greater number of > advertising locations. I tried determining answers to these questions using > the anycasted root servers and the servers belonging to the AS-112 project > but the hierarchical nature of their deployment prevents me from coming to > any conclusions. While the above description may sound as if I am looking for > just an end-user analysis, but I will also be looking at BGP updates for the > anycast prefix to determine if advertising a prefix from many locations has > an adverse impact on the visibility of the prefix due to reasons such as > route flap dampening. > > If the above description sounds terribly confusing, I will be glad to provide > additional details about the experiments I plan to run. Also, if such an > arrangement is possible, I will plan out the detailed A/W pattern and the > sites involved. > > Thanks, > Hitesh > ------ End forwarded message ------ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Process and Procedure are the last hiding place of people without the wit and wisdom to do their job properly. (David Brent). From matthew at ripe.net Tue Aug 24 13:56:34 2004 From: matthew at ripe.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 13:56:34 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] NCC#2004081420: No keepalive from Matthew Message-ID: <00b001c489d1$677d1f80$1f0200c1@rockstar> Arife sent the guy a reply on the 20th that should've done the trick. Cheers, Matthew --- > Matthew Williams (MW243-RIPE) > Customer Liaison Engineer > RIPE NCC - http://www.ripe.net/np/ From matthew at ripe.net Tue Aug 24 19:39:44 2004 From: matthew at ripe.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 19:39:44 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] RE: myASn in training Message-ID: <00e601c48a01$5864add0$1f0200c1@rockstar> Hi Vesna, Do you now know whether you can join the meeting (see ctime)? I would like to know this before I go to Can next week. Cheers, Matthew > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Williams [mailto:matthew at ripe.net] > Sent: 18 August 2004 19:44 > To: 'Vesna Manojlovic' > Cc: 'ris-int at ripe.net'; 'rumy at ripe.net'; 'arno at ripe.net' > Subject: RE: myASn in training > > > > > > > Hi Matthew, all, > > > > let's meet to talk about it :) Will you make the C-time entry? > > > > Will do. Who should be there? Arife, Arno, you and I? > > > On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 14:04:00 +0200 > > "Matthew Williams" wrote: > > > > > [thanks for the hook-up, Rumy] > > > > > > Hi Vesna, > > > > > > Arife should be included on this too. > > > > > > > Vesna: could you discuss this with Matthew (and if necessary > > > > Arno and/or > > > > Ferenc) and let me know what your thoughts are? > > > > > > Include a section in rr training? > > > > > > > We already have one slide in the RR course about the myASn; > > sometimes we used to show the demo (but I think my account > > expired...). > > Nope, should be okay unless you're trying to access the old prototype. > > > > > We can maybe change that -- depending on how much attention > > you want to give to this service, and how much space we can > > "free-up" in the curent course, and how it fits with the rest > > of topics.. > > > > Personally, I would prefere if we can do some hands-on with > > the "myASn", but that would require opening 20 (or 5?) > > demo-accounts for each course, thinking of the tasks to give > > to the participants (or sub-groups), deciding what are the > > most useful features to let them see/practice, how much time > > it takes to do all that etc... > > > > I guess this brain-dump puts some of the topics on the agenda > > for the meeting :) > > Fine. > > Cheers, > Matthew > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Matthew > > > > > > > ciao, > > becha > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Rumy Kanis [mailto:rumy at ripe.net] > > > > Sent: 17 August 2004 13:55 > > > > To: Matthew Williams; 'Rumy Kanis'; becha at ripe.net > > > > Cc: 'Henk Uijterwaal'; 'Matthew Williams' > > > > Subject: myASn in training > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Matthew, > > > > > > > > I am sort of getting back up to speed again :-) but still > > > > drowning in my mails. > > > > > > > > I am including Vesna in this reply, I think it would be best > > > > if you discuss > > > > this with her. Vesna has the overall responsibility over the > > > > different > > > > training courses and their content (Arno has > > responsibility over the > > > > advanced courses, Ferenc over the LIR). Vesna will have a good > > > > understanding of whether this fits into one of our trainings > > > > and if so, > > > > into which one and in what format. > > > > > > > > Vesna: could you discuss this with Matthew (and if necessary > > > > Arno and/or > > > > Ferenc) and let me know what your thoughts are? > > > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Rumy > > > > > > > > > > > > At 02:37 PM 7/29/2004 +0200, Matthew Williams wrote: > > > > >Hi Rumy, > > > > > > > > > >I see that you're on VAC until mid-Aug. Please get back > > to me when > > > > >you're > > > > >up to speed again. > > > > > > > > > >Hope hols were relaxing :) > > > > > > > > > >Cheers, > > > > >Matthew > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Matthew Williams [mailto:matthew at ripe.net] > > > > > > Sent: 22 July 2004 18:02 > > > > > > To: 'Rumy Kanis' > > > > > > Cc: 'Henk Uijterwaal' > > > > > > Subject: FW: Announcement Routing Registry Training Courses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Rumy, > > > > > > > > > > > > Henk suggested that I get in touch with you about > > > > including a myASn > > > > > > section into one of your trainings. Version 1 will be > > > > ready before > > > > > > the next RIPE meeting. Any thoughts? ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Matthew > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: routing-wg-admin at ripe.net > > > > [mailto:routing-wg-admin at ripe.net] > > > > > > > On Behalf Of RIPE NCC Training > > > > > > > Sent: 21 July 2004 16:27 > > > > > > > To: local-ir at ripe.net; db-wg at ripe.net; > routing-wg at ripe.net; > > > > > > > irrtoolset at ripe.net > > > > > > > Subject: Announcement Routing Registry Training Courses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Colleagues, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [apologies for duplicate postings] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a service to its members the RIPE NCC offers > the "Routing > > > > > > > Registry Training Course". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The main objective of the "Routing Registry Training > > > > Course" is to > > > > > > > familiarise the LIRs with the features of the Routing > > > > > > > Registry, > > > > > > > while introducing the relevant tools and services of > > > > the RIPE NCC. > > > > > > > The course also offers practical exercises. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OVERVIEW OF TOPICS COVERED IN THE COURSE: > > > > > > > - Routing Registry as a part of the RIPE Whois > Database and > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > Internet Routing Registry (IRR) > > > > > > > - Specifying routing policies using (RPSL) > > > > > > > Routing Policy Specification Language and the > RtConfig tool > > > > > > > - IRRToolSet > > > > > > > - Routing Information Service (RIS) > > > > > > > - Routing Registry Consistency Check Project > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please note that this is an advanced course. It will: > > > > > > > - NOT teach the basics of routing > > > > > > > - NOT teach the basics of RIPE Database operations, > > > > > > > - NOT describe how to receive Internet resources from > > > > the RIPE NCC > > > > > > > - NOT describe how to operate a Local Internet > > Registry (LIR) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The target audience of the course are technical staff of > > > > > > > LIRs: e.g. network operators, engineers etc. This > course is > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > intended for administrative or management staff (e.g. > > > > > > > Hostmasters) . It is assumed that all attendees will be > > > > > > familiar with > > > > > > > Border Gateway Protocol routing and with the RIPE > > > > Database (i.e. > > > > > > > creating/modifying objects). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This course is based on interactive exercises in a > > > > local network > > > > > > > set-up. Please bring your laptops equipped with the > > > > > > following: > > > > > > > - A working Ethernet card, > > > > > > > - Three meters of Ethernet cable, > > > > > > > - A secure connection client, > > > > > > > - A web browser. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please be prepared to share your laptop (or at least > > > > allow another > > > > > > > attendee to "look over your shoulder") if necessary. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Routing Registry Training Course is conducted in > > > > the English > > > > > > > language and is free of charge, since it is covered by the > > > > > > > membership fee. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More information about the Routing Registry Training > > > > Course can be > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > at: http://www.ripe.net/training/rr/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REGISTRATION: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can register for a Routing Registry Training > > Course at the > > > > > > > following URL: > > http://www.ripe.net/cgi-bin/trainingform.pl.cgi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or by completing the registration form at the end of > > > > this e-mail > > > > > > > and replying to . In order to > > > > register for a > > > > > > > Routing Registry Training Course you must be an > > > > employee of an LIR > > > > > > > and either: > > > > > > > - be an LIR contact > > > > > > > - be confirmed by an LIR contact > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LIR contacts are those employees of an LIR who are > > > > registered with > > > > > > > RIPE NCC as authoritative contact persons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is expected that most of those interested in > the Routing > > > > > > > Registry Training Course will not be an > > authoritative contact > > > > > > > person for their LIR, and therefore will be, refused by > > > > the course > > > > > > > registration "robot". In order to be admitted to > > the course, a > > > > > > > confirmation e-mail must be sent to > > . Please > > > > > > > approach the LIR contacts from your organisation > personally, > > > > > > > since the identity of LIR contacts is > confidential, and the > > > > > > > RIPE NCC is > > > > > > > unable to divulge contact persons for any given LIR. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > > > > Training Team > > > > > > > RIPE NCC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************************** > > > > > > > ************** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > COURSE DATES AND VENUES > > > > > > > ======================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Friday 15 October 2004 > > > > > > > Time: 0900 - 1700 > > > > > > > Location: Geneva, Switzerland > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AND: > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday 23 November 2004 > > > > > > > Time: 0900 - 1700 > > > > > > > Location: Damascus, Syria > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AND: > > > > > > > Date: Friday 17 December 2004 > > > > > > > Time: 0900 - 1700 > > > > > > > Location: Amsterdam, the Netherlands > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************************** > > > > > > > *************** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > REGISTRATION FORM > > > > > > > ================= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > %START > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PART 1 - Registration > > > > > > > 1) Your name > > > > > > > Enter First name, Last name in full > > > > > > > e.g. John Doe > > > > > > > Mary-Beth Walton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > # NAME [ ] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Your Registry ID (format: country-code. > registry>) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > # REG [ ] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) Your e-mail address > > > > > > > > > > > > > > # EMAIL [ ] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) Your NIC handle (optional) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > # NICHANDLE [ ] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5) The course you plan to attend (date and location) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > # COURSE [ ] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > %END > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > The Roman Rule: > > The one who says it cannot be done > > should never interrupt the one who is doing it. > > > From Peter_Losher at isc.org Wed Aug 25 02:19:51 2004 From: Peter_Losher at isc.org (Peter Losher) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 17:19:51 -0700 Subject: [ris-int] Re: RIS box @ MAE-West In-Reply-To: <20040820130524.GA21467@ripe.net> References: <20040820130524.GA21467@ripe.net> Message-ID: <200408241719.52649.Peter_Losher@isc.org> Hi Tom & Joe... When would be the best time to pick up this hardware? (Thursday or Friday?) Best Wishes - Peter On Friday 20 August 2004 06:05 am, Arife Vural wrote: > Hi Thomas, Joe, > > On RRC08, we could not get enough peers and that makes the route collector > less functional. Because of that, we are thinking to relocate RRC08 at > PAIX. We hope that would give us a chance to get more peers and better view > there. > > Peter Losher will help us to move the box from MAE-West to PAIX. We are > hoping to do those changes early September. > > I would like to thank you all your help for hosting RRC08 at MAE-West. > > Kind regards. > Arife -- Peter_Losher at isc.org | ISC | OpenPGP 0xE8048D08 | "The bits must flow" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Excellent :) Cheers, Matthew > -----Original Message----- > From: Vesna Manojlovic [mailto:BECHA at ripe.net] > Sent: 25 August 2004 09:20 > To: Matthew Williams > Subject: Re: myASn in training > > > hi matthew, > > > On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 19:39:44 +0200 > "Matthew Williams" wrote: > > > Hi Vesna, > > > > Do you now know whether you can join the meeting (see ctime)? > > > > yes, i can! > > > > I would like to know this before I go to Can next week. > > > > have a good time :) > > > Cheers, > > Matthew > > > thanks, > b > From matthew at ripe.net Wed Aug 25 14:34:44 2004 From: matthew at ripe.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 14:34:44 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] Re: RIS box @ MAE-West In-Reply-To: <200408241719.52649.Peter_Losher@isc.org> Message-ID: <002f01c48a9f$e6807d30$1f0200c1@rockstar> Have peers been notified yet? Cheers, Matthew > -----Original Message----- > From: ris-int-admin at ripe.net [mailto:ris-int-admin at ripe.net] > On Behalf Of Peter Losher > Sent: 25 August 2004 02:20 > To: Arife Vural > Cc: Thomas.Bechly at mci.com; joe.pucik at mci.com; ris-int at ripe.net > Subject: [ris-int] Re: RIS box @ MAE-West > > > Hi Tom & Joe... > > When would be the best time to pick up this hardware? > (Thursday or Friday?) > > Best Wishes - Peter > > On Friday 20 August 2004 06:05 am, Arife Vural wrote: > > Hi Thomas, Joe, > > > > On RRC08, we could not get enough peers and that makes the route > > collector less functional. Because of that, we are thinking to > > relocate RRC08 at PAIX. We hope that would give us a chance to get > > more peers and better view there. > > > > Peter Losher will help us to move the box from MAE-West to PAIX. We > > are hoping to do those changes early September. > > > > I would like to thank you all your help for hosting RRC08 > at MAE-West. > > > > Kind regards. > > Arife > > -- > Peter_Losher at isc.org | ISC | OpenPGP 0xE8048D08 | "The bits must flow" > From matthew at ripe.net Wed Aug 25 19:02:10 2004 From: matthew at ripe.net (Matthew Williams) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 19:02:10 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] http://www4.ripe.net/ris/ Message-ID: <004201c48ac5$4303f620$1f0200c1@rockstar> Hi there, Did a little more work there. Pls check it out. We should probably plan one more meeting (dedicated afternoon?) for going through the final stuff. Cheers, Matthew From ris-request at ripe.net Thu Aug 26 16:53:41 2004 From: ris-request at ripe.net (RIPE NCC RIS) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:53:41 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] Fw: NCC#2004081626 [Re: Test allocations] Message-ID: <200408261453.i7QEriQt016189@x45.ripe.net> Hello RIS-all, As a request from RS, we stopped announcing the following prefixes through the RIS AS number on 18/08/2004: 85.192.0.0/16 85.255.248.0/21 But it appears that yesterday we restarted to announce the same prefixes. Can it be that some old configuration showed up again? What should be done to cancel these announcements? Vasco Asturiano ----- Begin forwarded message ----- Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 12:55:56 +0200 From: Mike Petuschak To: RIS Subject: Re: NCC#2004081626 Test allocations Cc: Pierre Baume , Timothy Lowe Message-Id: <20040826105556.GA30815 at ripe.net> Hi, It looks like you started announcing the ranges from 85/8 once again, could you please remove them? > whois -h riswhois.ripe.net -M 85.192/10 % This is RIPE NCC's Routing Information Service % whois gateway to collected BGP Routing Tables % IPv4 or IPv6 address to origin prefix match % % For more information visit http://www.ripe.net/ris/riswhois.html route: 85.192.0.0/16 origin: AS12654 descr: RIPE-NCC-RIS-AS RIPE NCC RIS Project. lastupd-frst: 2004-08-17 09:00Z 195.69.144.234 at rrc03 lastupd-last: 2004-08-24 21:37Z 80.81.192.126 at rrc12 seen-at: rrc03,rrc04,rrc07,rrc12 num-rispeers: 7 source: RISWHOIS route: 85.255.248.0/21 origin: AS12654 descr: RIPE-NCC-RIS-AS RIPE NCC RIS Project. lastupd-frst: 2004-08-17 09:00Z 195.69.144.234 at rrc03 lastupd-last: 2004-08-24 21:37Z 80.81.192.126 at rrc12 seen-at: rrc03,rrc04,rrc07,rrc12 num-rispeers: 7 source: RISWHOIS -- Sincerely, Mike Petuschak RIPE NCC > Dear Arife, > > Please only remove the ranges from 85/8, i.e. > network 85.192.0.0/16 > network 85.255.248.0/21 > > the following route objects needs to be removed too: > > route: 85.192.0.0/16 > descr: RIPE-NCC-RIS New Allocation Filter Checking > origin: AS12654 > mnt-by: RIPE-NCC-RIS-MNT > changed: risops at ripe.net 20040402 > source: RIPE > > route: 85.255.248.0/21 > descr: RIPE-NCC-RIS New Allocation Filter Checking > origin: AS12654 > mnt-by: RIPE-NCC-RIS-MNT > changed: risops at ripe.net 20040402 > source: RIPE > > > > > >> It looks we are announcing the following networks, do you want >> me to remove all? >> >> network 85.192.0.0/16 >> network 85.255.248.0/21 >> network 86.192.0.0/16 >> network 86.255.248.0/21 >> network 87.192.0.0/16 >> network 87.255.248.0/21 >> network 88.192.0.0/16 >> network 88.255.248.0/21 >> >> Arife >> >> On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 09:41:13 +0200, Mike Petuschak wrote: >>> Dear RIS, >>> >>> As both James & Daniel are on holidays, >>> can somebody else please stop announcing the >>> ranges from 85/8 and remove the route objects? >>> >>> Thanks a lot. >>> >>> -- >>> Mike >>> >>> ----- Forwarded message from Mike Petuschak ----- >>> >>> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:38:15 +0200 >>> From: Mike Petuschak >>> To: James Aldridge >>> Cc: Daniel Karrenberg , lsd at ripe.net, >>> Pierre Baume >>> Subject: Re: Test allocations >>> >>> Dear James, >>> >>> Could you please stop announcing the ranges from 85/8 and remove the route >>> objects? We allocated first /12 from 85/8. ------ End forwarded message ------ -- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 206 bytes Desc: not available URL: From henk at ripe.net Fri Aug 27 10:10:29 2004 From: henk at ripe.net (Henk Uijterwaal (RIPE NCC)) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:10:29 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [ris-int] RRC06 Message-ID: Hi, Mainly FYI. I had an action on myself to contact Akiro Kato re: more peerings at the Japan RRC. He suggested a couple of mailing lists to write to. I did that yesterday, if you see a flurry of peering requests from there, blame me. If you don't, blame me as well ;-) Henk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Henk Uijterwaal Email: henk.uijterwaal(at)ripe.net RIPE Network Coordination Centre http://www.amsterdamned.org/~henk P.O.Box 10096 Singel 258 Phone: +31.20.5354414 1001 EB Amsterdam 1016 AB Amsterdam Fax: +31.20.5354445 The Netherlands The Netherlands Mobile: +31.6.55861746 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Process and Procedure are the last hiding place of people without the wit and wisdom to do their job properly. (David Brent). From james at ripe.net Mon Aug 30 11:35:47 2004 From: james at ripe.net (James Aldridge) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:35:47 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] IPv6 updates plots Message-ID: <200408300935.i7U9ZlDI010543@birch.ripe.net> Take a look at http://www.ris.ripe.net/ipv6-updates/all/ (or any of the individual RRC's plots) and you'll see a certain periodicity about the graph. It seems that the RRD is only getting about half the data: 5 minutes and 35 minutes past each hour: weesp runs the "collect" script and pushes the raw files to halfweg. 0 minutes past each hour: halfweg runs the "ipv6-updates/update.sh" script looking for files from the "previous hour" (date -d "1 hour ago" +"%Y%m%d.%H"). However, at this time, only files up to the last run of "collect" (25 minutes earlier) are present - YYYYMMDD.HH00 to YYYYMMDD.HH35. Next time "update.sh" runs, an hour later, it again only looks at files from the previous hour (and not the missing files from the hour before that). Data from the last 25 minutes of each hour are never inserted into the RRD. A solution to this would be for risops at halfweg's crontab to run the "ipv6-updates/update.sh" sufficiently long after 5 minutes past the hour for the "collect" run on weesp to have pushed all the previous hour's files to halfweg. Thoughts? James From arife at ripe.net Mon Aug 30 13:06:00 2004 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 13:06:00 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] Fw: NCC#2004081420 [RIPE beacon request!] In-Reply-To: References: <200408161040.i7GAeM2B027491@x12.ripe.net> Message-ID: <20040830110600.GG532@ripe.net> > > What do you think about the following request? It looks he is > > asking to extend our anycast failover scenario to more RRCs. > > > > After discussing with him what kind of patterns he needs, we > > can use same prefix or we can use one of the free Beacon Prefixes. > > Use one of the free ones. Excluding rrc13 prefix, we have one prefix left and I will use that one. I'm in touch with Hitesh Ballani and this week I will configure it as he asked. Arife From arife at ripe.net Mon Aug 30 13:14:14 2004 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 13:14:14 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] Re: RIS box @ MAE-West In-Reply-To: <200408241719.52649.Peter_Losher@isc.org> References: <20040820130524.GA21467@ripe.net> <200408241719.52649.Peter_Losher@isc.org> Message-ID: <20040830111414.GH532@ripe.net> Hi guys, > When would be the best time to pick up this hardware? (Thursday or Friday?) Could you let me know when you will disconnect RRC08? I like to send an e-mail to our peers at MAE-West about the change. Kind regards. Arife > > Best Wishes - Peter > > On Friday 20 August 2004 06:05 am, Arife Vural wrote: > > Hi Thomas, Joe, > > > > On RRC08, we could not get enough peers and that makes the route collector > > less functional. Because of that, we are thinking to relocate RRC08 at > > PAIX. We hope that would give us a chance to get more peers and better view > > there. > > > > Peter Losher will help us to move the box from MAE-West to PAIX. We are > > hoping to do those changes early September. > > > > I would like to thank you all your help for hosting RRC08 at MAE-West. > > > > Kind regards. > > Arife > > -- > Peter_Losher at isc.org | ISC | OpenPGP 0xE8048D08 | "The bits must flow" From arife at ripe.net Mon Aug 30 13:21:25 2004 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 13:21:25 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] http://www4.ripe.net/ris/ In-Reply-To: <004201c48ac5$4303f620$1f0200c1@rockstar> References: <004201c48ac5$4303f620$1f0200c1@rockstar> Message-ID: <20040830112125.GI532@ripe.net> > Did a little more work there. Pls check it out. > > We should probably plan one more meeting (dedicated afternoon?) for going through the final stuff. Sure. Could you set it on Ctime? Arife From james at ripe.net Mon Aug 30 17:23:25 2004 From: james at ripe.net (James Aldridge) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:23:25 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] Tool to check RIS peering status Message-ID: <200408301523.i7UFNPDI030684@birch.ripe.net> ~risops/bin/peerstat is a simple script to report BGP peering status Examples: "peerstat all -lt 300" will show all peers which have changed state within 5 minutes (300 seconds) - typically peers which are flapping. risops at halfweg:~$ peerstat all -lt 300 AS20940 [ 195.66.224.168 ] on rrc01 DOWN for 0w 0d 0h 0m 4s (4 seconds) AS12222 [ 198.32.160.47 ] on rrc11 UP for 0w 0d 0h 0m 10s (10 seconds) "peerstat rrc00,rrc01 -gt 86400" will show all peers on rrc00 and rrc01 which have been down for more than 86400 seconds (1 day): risops at halfweg:~$ peerstat rrc00,rrc01 -gt 86400 AS3257 [ 195.69.144.85 ] on rrc00 down "for ever" AS15861 [ 195.66.224.40 ] on rrc01 down "for ever" AS5604 [ 195.66.224.41 ] on rrc01 down "for ever" AS1299 [ 195.66.224.48 ] on rrc01 down "for ever" AS12513 [ 195.66.224.117 ] on rrc01 down "for ever" AS15861 [ 195.66.226.40 ] on rrc01 down "for ever" AS8272 [ 195.66.226.47 ] on rrc01 down "for ever" AS2818 [ 195.66.226.103 ] on rrc01 DOWN for 5w 6d 19h 0m 0s (3610800 seconds) AS8210 [ 195.66.226.107 ] on rrc01 DOWN for 2w 3d 6h 0m 0s (1490400 seconds) AS12390 [ 195.66.226.119 ] on rrc01 down "for ever" AS13127 [ 195.66.226.142 ] on rrc01 DOWN for 2w 6d 11h 0m 0s (1767600 seconds) "peerstat rrc08 -gt 2419200" will show all peers on rrc08 which have been down for more than 2419200 seconds (4 weeks): risops at halfweg:~$ peerstat rrc08 -gt 2419200 AS2551 [ 198.32.200.14 ] on rrc08 down "for ever" James From joe.pucik at mci.com Mon Aug 30 17:20:59 2004 From: joe.pucik at mci.com (Joe Pucik) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:20:59 -0700 Subject: [ris-int] Re: RIS box @ MAE-West In-Reply-To: <20040830111414.GH532@ripe.net> Message-ID: <0I3900I5GMN1XX@pmismtp01.mcilink.com> Hi Arife, Either Thursday or Friday is fine. I can be the contact for access. They can call me first to coordinate. Please provide an equipment list of what needs to be picked up. When do you want me to disconnect the equipment? Regards, Joe Pucik MCI, MAE Engineering 408-975-2249 AIM: joevpucik -----Original Message----- From: Arife Vural [mailto:arife at ripe.net] Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 4:14 AM To: Peter Losher Cc: Thomas.Bechly at mci.com; joe.pucik at mci.com; ris-int at ripe.net Subject: Re: [ris-int] Re: RIS box @ MAE-West Hi guys, > When would be the best time to pick up this hardware? (Thursday or Friday?) Could you let me know when you will disconnect RRC08? I like to send an e-mail to our peers at MAE-West about the change. Kind regards. Arife > > Best Wishes - Peter > > On Friday 20 August 2004 06:05 am, Arife Vural wrote: > > Hi Thomas, Joe, > > > > On RRC08, we could not get enough peers and that makes the route collector > > less functional. Because of that, we are thinking to relocate RRC08 at > > PAIX. We hope that would give us a chance to get more peers and better view > > there. > > > > Peter Losher will help us to move the box from MAE-West to PAIX. We are > > hoping to do those changes early September. > > > > I would like to thank you all your help for hosting RRC08 at MAE-West. > > > > Kind regards. > > Arife > > -- > Peter_Losher at isc.org | ISC | OpenPGP 0xE8048D08 | "The bits must flow" From arife at ripe.net Mon Aug 30 17:43:23 2004 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:43:23 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] Re: RIS box @ MAE-West In-Reply-To: <0I3900I5GMN1XX@pmismtp01.mcilink.com> References: <20040830111414.GH532@ripe.net> <0I3900I5GMN1XX@pmismtp01.mcilink.com> Message-ID: <20040830154323.GN532@ripe.net> > Either Thursday or Friday is fine. I can be the contact for > access. They can call me first to coordinate. Both days are fine with me. Let's see any of those days are OK with Peter. > Please provide an equipment list of what needs to be picked up. Only box itself. No keyboard, no screen. Arife From joe.pucik at mci.com Mon Aug 30 17:52:52 2004 From: joe.pucik at mci.com (Joe Pucik) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:52:52 -0700 Subject: [ris-int] Re: RIS box @ MAE-West In-Reply-To: <20040830154323.GN532@ripe.net> Message-ID: <0I390034HO45ZI@pmismtp02.mcilink.com> Arife In that case let's decom the RIS equip early Thursday morning here. Say 8AM Pacific which is 17:00 GMT (I think... :)). Joe -----Original Message----- From: Arife Vural [mailto:arife at ripe.net] Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 8:43 AM To: Joe Pucik Cc: 'Peter Losher'; Thomas.Bechly at mci.com; ris-int at ripe.net; David Stephens Subject: Re: [ris-int] Re: RIS box @ MAE-West > Either Thursday or Friday is fine. I can be the contact for > access. They can call me first to coordinate. Both days are fine with me. Let's see any of those days are OK with Peter. > Please provide an equipment list of what needs to be picked up. Only box itself. No keyboard, no screen. Arife From Peter_Losher at isc.org Tue Aug 31 03:51:04 2004 From: Peter_Losher at isc.org (Peter Losher) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 18:51:04 -0700 Subject: [ris-int] Re: RIS box @ MAE-West In-Reply-To: <0I390034HO45ZI@pmismtp02.mcilink.com> References: <0I390034HO45ZI@pmismtp02.mcilink.com> Message-ID: <200408301851.12738.Peter_Losher@isc.org> On Monday 30 August 2004 08:52 am, Joe Pucik wrote: > In that case let's decom the RIS equip early Thursday morning > here. Say 8AM Pacific which is 17:00 GMT (I think... :)). The problem is traffic will be horrible going down the peninsula at that part of the morning (I would be coming southbound from Redwood City and 8am Pacific is the middle of morning rush hour here) Arife - How about shutting down the box sometime before you head off for the weekend on Friday, and I'll pull the shutdown box at around 1pm Pacific, and it will be ready for you later that day (Saturday morning in Europe) at the new location. 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Data from the last 25 minutes of > each hour are never inserted into the RRD. > > A solution to this would be for risops at halfweg's crontab to run the > "ipv6-updates/update.sh" sufficiently long after 5 minutes past the hour for > the "collect" run on weesp to have pushed all the previous hour's files to > halfweg. > > Thoughts? In general I think that modifying timing of various jobs is the wrong tactic for dealing with timing problems. If you have a dependency between two tasks, best to make it explicit. In the world of Unix and cron, the way to do this is to make a simple script that runs the two commands in order, one after the other. If the commands are running on separate boxes, then the easiest solution is to set up a provider/consumer system where one box touches a file when the data is ready, and the other deletes it when used. In the halfweg/weesp situation, "collect" would touch a file when the data has arrived, and "update.sh" would check for this. We can run "update.sh" every minute (or every 5 minutes if we're squeemish) in this case, reducing the latency to the absolute minimum. -- Shane Kerr RIPE NCC From arife at ripe.net Tue Aug 31 10:43:51 2004 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 10:43:51 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] Re: RIS box @ MAE-West In-Reply-To: <200408301851.12738.Peter_Losher@isc.org> References: <0I390034HO45ZI@pmismtp02.mcilink.com> <200408301851.12738.Peter_Losher@isc.org> Message-ID: <20040831084351.GA29813@ripe.net> Ho Joe, Peter, > > In that case let's decom the RIS equip early Thursday morning > > here. Say 8AM Pacific which is 17:00 GMT (I think... :)). > > The problem is traffic will be horrible going down the peninsula at that part > of the morning (I would be coming southbound from Redwood City and 8am > Pacific is the middle of morning rush hour here) > > Arife - How about shutting down the box sometime before you head off for the > weekend on Friday, and I'll pull the shutdown box at around 1pm Pacific, and > it will be ready for you later that day (Saturday morning in Europe) at the > new location. (or do you need a shorter window for downtime?) That sounds good to me, I will shutdown the box at 9AM (Pacific) and then you can disconnect the box anytime that suits both of you guys. BTW, Peter, until now I have not got any IP config info from Paul Vixie. Do you think you can help us to provide IP config at PAIX? It would be nice if we can do the changes before moving the box. Arife > > -Peter > -- > Peter_Losher at isc.org | ISC | OpenPGP 0xE8048D08 | "The bits must flow" From Peter_Losher at isc.org Tue Aug 31 11:07:09 2004 From: Peter_Losher at isc.org (Peter Losher) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 02:07:09 -0700 Subject: [ris-int] Re: RIS box @ MAE-West In-Reply-To: <20040831084351.GA29813@ripe.net> References: <0I390034HO45ZI@pmismtp02.mcilink.com> <200408301851.12738.Peter_Losher@isc.org> <20040831084351.GA29813@ripe.net> Message-ID: <200408310207.09924.Peter_Losher@isc.org> On Tuesday 31 August 2004 01:43 am, Arife Vural wrote: > That sounds good to me, I will shutdown the box at 9AM (Pacific) and > then you can disconnect the box anytime that suits both of you guys. Sweet, that would be perfect :) > BTW, Peter, until now I have not got any IP config info from Paul > Vixie. Do you think you can help us to provide IP config at PAIX? It > would be nice if we can do the changes before moving the box. That info will come from me, I'll get you the new network info later today so you can preconfigure the box for management transit before shutting it down. (Paul is still working on the PAIX switch port) -Peter -- Peter_Losher at isc.org | ISC | OpenPGP Key E8048D08 | "The bits must flow" -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 187 bytes Desc: signature URL: From arife at ripe.net Tue Aug 31 11:16:51 2004 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:16:51 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] Re: RIS box @ MAE-West In-Reply-To: <200408310207.09924.Peter_Losher@isc.org> References: <0I390034HO45ZI@pmismtp02.mcilink.com> <200408301851.12738.Peter_Losher@isc.org> <20040831084351.GA29813@ripe.net> <200408310207.09924.Peter_Losher@isc.org> Message-ID: <20040831091651.GB29813@ripe.net> > > That sounds good to me, I will shutdown the box at 9AM (Pacific) and > > then you can disconnect the box anytime that suits both of you guys. > > Sweet, that would be perfect :) Still awake :-) > > > BTW, Peter, until now I have not got any IP config info from Paul > > Vixie. Do you think you can help us to provide IP config at PAIX? It > > would be nice if we can do the changes before moving the box. > > That info will come from me, I'll get you the new network info later > today so you can preconfigure the box for management transit before > shutting it down. (Paul is still working on the PAIX switch port) OK, great. I will send an announcement to our peers today or tomorrow about moving the box. Arife From james at ripe.net Tue Aug 31 16:28:29 2004 From: james at ripe.net (James Aldridge) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:28:29 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] bgpd dies In-Reply-To: References: <200406291440.i5TEe18r014742@birch.ripe.net> Message-ID: <56436E367D3ABE91509B9567@guest-wv-22.ripe.net> --On Tuesday, 29 June, 2004 17:14 +0200 "Henk Uijterwaal (RIPE NCC)" wrote: > On Tue, 29 Jun 2004, James Aldridge wrote: > >> http://bugzilla.quagga.net/show_bug.cgi?id=103 >> >> We seem to be seeing this bug too. Don't know whether it's a Linux >> thing or a Quagga version 0.96.5 thing... worth keeping an eye on the >> quagga-users and quagga-dev lists. > > Yes, please. Since rebuilding bgpd without SNMP support, bgpd has been running on the RRCs without problems since 2nd July. Bgpd is running so well, in fact, that nagios is complaining that rrc07 is running NO instances of bgpd (it's still running the "bgpd.test" version I built at the start of July which, of course, is considered to be a different program)! James -- James Aldridge, Network Engineer, New Projects Group, RIPE NCC Tel: +31 20 535 4421 Fax: +31 20 535 4445 GSM: +31 6 5247 6932 PGP Key Fingerprint: 8F8F D923 48E8 FB76 8DD1 60CB 5003 859C F4BB E729 From arife at ripe.net Tue Aug 31 18:19:33 2004 From: arife at ripe.net (Arife Vural) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 18:19:33 +0200 Subject: [ris-int] R: Kernel on RRC06 Message-ID: <200408311619.i7VGJYDI024909@birch.ripe.net> Hereby I wish to request a service from Operations. Detailed description: --------------------- MD5 support on RRC06 does not work and I'm just wondering whether we still use the kernel that Japan guy compiled. If this is the case, then MD5 might not be enabled on RRC06 properly. Few other things which are related with rrc rsync schema, I got this warning when I run ps command on RRCs, arife at rrc06:~$ ps aux |grep bgpd {sys_alarm} {register_sysctl_table} Warning: /System.map does not match kernel data. quagga 253 0.3 3.9 39948 36072 ? S Jun23 326:06 /usr/lib/quagga/bgpd --daemon arife 14412 0.0 0.0 1516 480 ttyp1 S 16:15 0:00 grep bgpd Anything to be worried or not? Also could you please change the owner of /etc/quagga dirs to quagga user and group? It's owned by root and when you make bgp config changes, it's not allowed to save the config. Regards, Arife Vural From Peter_Losher at isc.org Tue Aug 31 20:18:29 2004 From: Peter_Losher at isc.org (Peter Losher) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:18:29 -0700 Subject: [ris-int] Re: RIS box @ MAE-West In-Reply-To: <20040831091651.GB29813@ripe.net> References: <0I390034HO45ZI@pmismtp02.mcilink.com> <200408310207.09924.Peter_Losher@isc.org> <20040831091651.GB29813@ripe.net> Message-ID: <200408311118.55380.Peter_Losher@isc.org> On Tuesday 31 August 2004 02:16 am, Arife Vural wrote: > > That info will come from me, I'll get you the new network info later > > today so you can preconfigure the box for management transit before > > shutting it down. (Paul is still working on the PAIX switch port) > > OK, great. I will send an announcement to our peers today or tomorrow > about moving the box. BTW, what do you want the PTR record for the management address to be? 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