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Dmitry Burkov
dvburk at gmail.com
Sat May 27 13:58:20 CEST 2023
If you want to kill it (internet - or any coordination on it ) asap - it will be the best way - simply to refuse from email and discussion lists. Don't want t waste time on arguments - sorry... Dima On 5/26/23 10:41 AM, Leo Vegoda wrote: > Dear RIPE community, > > At yesterday’s community plenary I asked whether mailing lists are > sustainable as our main communication channel. For those who were not > able to attend, the slide and a recording are available here: > > - https://ripe86.ripe.net/wp-content/uploads/presentations/12-Mailing-Lists-RIPE-86.pdf > - https://ripe86.ripe.net/archives/video/1115 > > I am obviously concerned that discussion lists might not serve us with > fidelity in the future. If that is the case, I want us to manage any > change we need to make. We should not be bounced into rapid change. > > There was more discussion than I expected. I’m sending this message to > ask the questions: > > - Am I wrong? Are e-mail discussion lists a sustainable communication > channel for the foreseeable future? > - Are e-mail discussion lists an acceptable technology to people > joining the industry? > > The text below is similar to something I shared with the WG Chairs > several months ago. > > Kind regards,. > > Leo > > ripe-781 describes four fundamental principles supporting our policy > development process. The first two principles are openness and > transparency. > > Changes in the treatment of e-mail by large industry players presents > a challenge to these two principles. > > In 1992, when ripe-001 was published, anyone could run e-mail services > on any Internet infrastructure they could use. It is now far more > difficult to run e-mail services. Technology developments, like DMARC, > have made discussion mailing lists less effective. > > Validation failures increase the probability of messages being treated > as junk. Subscribers to RIPE's discussion lists will miss messages > when their e-mail services provider treats them as junk. > > When a legitimate message to a RIPE discussion list is treated as junk > the sender's voice has been moderated by a third-party mail provider. > RIPE's transparency is diminished when its discussion lists are > subjected to gatekeeping by third-party mail providers. > > In 1992, e-mail was an improvement to postal services and telephony > protocols. In 2023, we have a wide choice of communication protocols > and platforms. > > I believe that new protocols and platforms are preferred over e-mail > by potential participants in RIPE at the start of their careers. We > want these people to take part in RIPE. They are the future of > coordination for the operators of IP networks in Europe and the rest > of the world. > > We must offer all current and potential participants in RIPE an > effective set of tools. Any tools we use must support the principles > of openness and transparency. > > An ideal set of tools might have features like this: > > 1. An open protocol available for implementation by anyone. > 2. Free(ly available) software implementations for popular operating > systems (Android, iOS, Linux, macOS, and Windows). > 3. Allows a user to choose to have activity pushed to them. They must > not be forced to maintain a login to be informed of activity they are > interested in. > 4. A public archive that cannot be retrospectively edited (barring > exceptional situations). > > While the technology choices need to support the principles of > openness and transparency, they do not need to do all the work. > Announcements, blog posts, and other kinds of communications can be > built into our processes. > > The combination of technology and process can make the whole more effective. >
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