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Cynthia Revström
me at cynthia.re
Thu Nov 25 13:46:34 CET 2021
Jordi, I am going to leave this discussion now for a bit but please don't take that as me agreeing with you but simply that I find it difficult to keep talking with you about this without starting to say some harsh words. -Cynthia On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 1:44 PM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ripe-list < ripe-list at ripe.net> wrote: > Absolutely now, it is our law. You can change the word, you can call it > whatever you want, but it is the way we manage our processes, etc., in the > Spanish dictionary this is law, and I guess is the same translation in > English. > > > > > > > > El 25/11/21 13:43, "Cynthia Revström" <me at cynthia.re> escribió: > > > > Can you please stop calling it law? > > It is NOT a law! > > > > -Cynthia > > > > On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 1:41 PM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ < > jordi.palet at consulintel.es> wrote: > > That’s my point, we are actually writing “our law” > > > > > > El 25/11/21 13:39, "ripe-list en nombre de Cynthia Revström via ripe-list" > <ripe-list-bounces at ripe.net en nombre de ripe-list at ripe.net> escribió: > > > > But this is not law, it is a procedural document, and procedural documents > can include suggestions even if national laws often don't. > > > > The argument that it can't contain suggestions just because normal > national laws often don't, is extremely silly. > > > > -Cynthia > > > > On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 1:36 PM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ < > jordi.palet at consulintel.es> wrote: > > That’s my point, we are actually writing “our law” > > > > > > > > Saludos, > > Jordi > > @jordipalet > > > > > > > > El 25/11/21 13:34, "Cynthia Revström" <me at cynthia.re> escribió: > > > > Yes but this is NOT law as Sander said, we are not writing a law here. > > This is a procedural document in a community, not a law. > > > > -Cynthia > > > > On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 1:30 PM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ripe-list < > ripe-list at ripe.net> wrote: > > Hi Sander, > > Just count how many proposals have reached consensus even if they have not > got a previous discussion in the list. Is a matter of numbers. > > Law != suggestions, law must be strict and avoid as much as possible > subjective interpretations. > > > El 25/11/21 13:17, "ripe-list en nombre de Sander Steffann" < > ripe-list-bounces at ripe.net en nombre de sander at steffann.nl> escribió: > > Jordi, > > > 4) The text about the "idea" is wrong and untrue. Past experience > doesn't show that. > > No, *your* past behaviour doesn't show that. You just dumping policy > proposals on a mailing list without discussing the idea first is probably > one of the reasons why this paragraph is included, and I STRONGLY support > it. > > > There have been many policy proposals that didn't followed that > process and they are actual policies. The PDP is a set of rules, strict > rules of a process, not "rules and suggestions". 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