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Cynthia Revström
me at cynthia.re
Thu Nov 25 13:43:51 CET 2021
Or maybe I am mistaken and we actually have RIPE PDP courts and police to enforce these laws and I have just missed them. -Cynthia On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 1:42 PM Cynthia Revström <me at cynthia.re> wrote: > Can you please stop calling it law? > It is NOT a law! > > -Cynthia > > On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 1:41 PM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ < > jordi.palet at consulintel.es> wrote: > >> That’s my point, we are actually writing “our law” >> >> >> >> >> >> El 25/11/21 13:39, "ripe-list en nombre de Cynthia Revström via >> ripe-list" <ripe-list-bounces at ripe.net en nombre de ripe-list at ripe.net> >> escribió: >> >> >> >> But this is not law, it is a procedural document, and procedural >> documents can include suggestions even if national laws often don't. >> >> >> >> The argument that it can't contain suggestions just because normal >> national laws often don't, is extremely silly. >> >> >> >> -Cynthia >> >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 1:36 PM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ < >> jordi.palet at consulintel.es> wrote: >> >> That’s my point, we are actually writing “our law” >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Saludos, >> >> Jordi >> >> @jordipalet >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> El 25/11/21 13:34, "Cynthia Revström" <me at cynthia.re> escribió: >> >> >> >> Yes but this is NOT law as Sander said, we are not writing a law here. >> >> This is a procedural document in a community, not a law. >> >> >> >> -Cynthia >> >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 1:30 PM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ripe-list < >> ripe-list at ripe.net> wrote: >> >> Hi Sander, >> >> Just count how many proposals have reached consensus even if they have >> not got a previous discussion in the list. Is a matter of numbers. >> >> Law != suggestions, law must be strict and avoid as much as possible >> subjective interpretations. >> >> >> El 25/11/21 13:17, "ripe-list en nombre de Sander Steffann" < >> ripe-list-bounces at ripe.net en nombre de sander at steffann.nl> escribió: >> >> Jordi, >> >> > 4) The text about the "idea" is wrong and untrue. Past experience >> doesn't show that. >> >> No, *your* past behaviour doesn't show that. You just dumping policy >> proposals on a mailing list without discussing the idea first is probably >> one of the reasons why this paragraph is included, and I STRONGLY support >> it. >> >> > There have been many policy proposals that didn't followed that >> process and they are actual policies. The PDP is a set of rules, strict >> rules of a process, not "rules and suggestions". 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