[ripe-chair-discuss] Some observations and opinions.

jim at rfc1035.com:
>>> It's a reasonable concern. Though it should be simple to resolve if
>>> that situation arises: "We don't want you any more. Go now."

On 16 Jul 2018, at 22:19, Carlos Friaças <cfriacas at fccn.pt> wrote:
>> Have you seen that approach working anywhere...?

(<chuckle!> :-) Relevant question. ;-) )

> Yes. We did this a few years ago to get rid of a WG co-chair who'd
> lost the confidence of their WG.

Without questioning the effectiveness of this, and only to understand
the process used at the time: who were the "we" in "we did that ...".

>> Maybe:
>> "Upon receiving a request to step down from <N> community members,
>> the NomCom and(/or?) the WGCC decide if the Chair has to step down
>> or not."

> Nope. I think the community has to take that decision by consensus.
> Nobody else. If the community is screaming for someone's head on a
> stick, asking the NomCom or WGCC to make a judgement about that
> would/should be a no-op. So there's nothing gained by introducing that
> redundant step or steps.

WFM.

>> What is a "community member"?

>> I would probably define this as someone who has attended a RIPE
>> meeting in the last <N> years, or with relevant participation in
>> mailing lists, acknowledged by WG Chairs.

> That question is the start of an infinite rat-hole Carlos. Best stay
> out of it.

Rathole: agreed.

(... which is also one reason that trying to define democratic processes
in the RIPE community is such a beast. It's hard to define democracy in
a constituency, when the constituency itself isn't well defined. But:
challenge accepted! ;-) )

All in all, especially with Jims assertion that there is "prior art",
I'm willing to live with a "deal with it if it comes to that" solution,
in order to avoid ratholing and to avoid having to create a Minotaurian
labyrinth of legalese in the document.

				Cheers,
				  /Liman

PS. We could end the entire document with "act guided by intelligence
and experience!", as fiction detective Nero Wolfe's handyman Archie
Goodwin used to say. ;-) ;-) ;-)