From rogerj at gmail.com Tue Jun 6 09:02:00 2017 From: rogerj at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Roger_J=C3=B8rgensen?=) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 09:02:00 +0200 Subject: [ripe-chair-discuss] Status of RIPE Chair discussion? In-Reply-To: <20170519145814.sq4bl2fe43qo33e2@Vurt.local> References: <20170517083310.36f792a3@earth.zonnestelsel.tk> <41a80b82-3792-e88f-1d99-177635e23600@ripe.net> <20170519145814.sq4bl2fe43qo33e2@Vurt.local> Message-ID: On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 4:58 PM, Job Snijders wrote: > A leadership position which is instantiated to lead and serve a > community, must be chosen by that very same community, _not_ by "the > previous person". I fear the chair-selecting-chair methodology can > weaken our posture against self-selection bias, and the methodology does > very little against a chairperson operating with blinders on. Just > because this method was used once before, does not make it a common > practise nor is the single occurance a justification in itself to repeat > the practise. I think our problem might lay here hidden in two terms "lead" and "selected by" or "appointed by" I would suggest we replace the world "lead" with "guide". I have not yet seen either Rob or Hans Petter really us, we, the community pick our path, Rob/Hans Petter then help us/guide us in that direction. Another think a chair does is to give the outside world, the more formal world, an obvious place of contact. Regarding "selected" or "appointed", if we go down the path of "selected" we need alot more formalized procedures on how we can select someone. If we pick the "appointed" path it is enough that current RIPE Chair appoint someone as vice-chair, then _request_ the community to confirm that selections. Without that confirmations from the community it's hard to say that the vice-chair represent us. Isn't that simply enough? -- Roger Jorgensen rogerj at gmail.com / roger at jorgensen.no From rogerj at gmail.com Tue Jun 6 09:04:50 2017 From: rogerj at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Roger_J=C3=B8rgensen?=) Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 09:04:50 +0200 Subject: [ripe-chair-discuss] Status of RIPE Chair discussion? In-Reply-To: References: <20170517083310.36f792a3@earth.zonnestelsel.tk> <41a80b82-3792-e88f-1d99-177635e23600@ripe.net> <20170519145814.sq4bl2fe43qo33e2@Vurt.local> Message-ID: missed an important word here On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 9:02 AM, Roger J?rgensen wrote: > I have not yet seen either Rob or Hans Petter really us, we, the ..... ".... Rob or Hans Petter really LEAD us..." -- Roger Jorgensen rogerj at gmail.com / roger at jorgensen.no