<div dir="ltr">RIPE Atlas asked and I agreed to have probes delivered to me at in Vancouver so that different person could distribute them at a conference (that I was not attending).<div><br></div><div>Nearly all of those are offline (and were never online), and they now count against me. I should never have agreed to that shipment, especially if they would now count against me: I have already got there (re 50% policy).</div><div><br></div><div>My next good opportunity to distribute is at DebConf 2018 in Taiwan.</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 9:32 PM, DurgaPrasad - DatasoftComnet <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dp@datasoftcomnet.com" target="_blank">dp@datasoftcomnet.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-IN" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_-1524394493903914789WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060">Hi All,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060">Unless RIPE deploys an uptimerobot type of solution for all the users hosting its probes and notifies them on email and SMS on reachability issues – there won’t be any buy in by the end–users.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060">If RIPE does that – there will be a clamour for devices and also they will be self maintained by the users since they are getting uptime reports instantly and they can use it to measure their links uptime.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060">Right now we are depending on the goodwill of the ambassadors but it wears thin when we start bugging them to maintain the devices. The high failure rates don’t help either.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Regards<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Durga Prasad<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">+919849111010<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> RIPE-Atlas-Ambassadors [mailto:<a href="mailto:ripe-atlas-ambassadors-bounces@ripe.net" target="_blank">ripe-atlas-<wbr>ambassadors-bounces@ripe.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>M. Tajbakhsh<br><b>Sent:</b> 09 April 2018 00:53<br><b>To:</b> Lia Hestina<br><b>Cc:</b> RIPE Atlas ambassador mailing list<br><b>Subject:</b> {Spam?} Re: [RIPE Atlas Ambassadors] How to get people to actually plug in their probes?<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Dear Lia,<br><br>Please let me correct our course of action a little bit:<br><br>1. People, even carefully selected & briefed tech guys, have their concerns about letting probes into their networks and the resources a probe may swallow. (we know that's negligible, they don't believe)<br><br>2. Not only memory stick, but probes themselves fail. That happens after about 2 years. Believe me, solutions on those doc page(s) don't fix them at this stage.<br><br>3. Hosts lose interest MOST of the time, regardless of their background, mostly because they gain nothing meaningful in the long run. (atlas credit does not count) All they do is out of personal respect for the ambassador and his cause (yes, we are spending out of our friendly relations for this, it has its own consequences). The host gets nothing in return but random requests to fix the baby. That's kinda boring and annoying.<br><br>4. Any other number you set as percentage for this and yet it will fail. A time will come for any ambassador that he is stuck with enough dead probes that you won't give him any more. I wonder how many of us have already got there.<br><br>I believe Atlas needs a "failed/lost probes replacement" policy rather than an "X % live probes to get a new batch" policy.<br><br>Regards,<br>M. Tajbakhsh<br><br><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Lia Hestina wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><br><span class="m_-1524394493903914789apple-tab-span"> </span>1. People don’t plug in their probes after getting one from an ambassador<br><span class="m_-1524394493903914789apple-tab-span"> </span>2. Host experiences probe USB failure<br><span class="m_-1524394493903914789apple-tab-span"> </span>3. Hosts lose interest sometimes<br><span class="m_-1524394493903914789apple-tab-span"> </span>4. The RIPE NCC policy that probes needs to be at least 50% active <u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div></div><div id="m_-1524394493903914789DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2"><br>
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