From malik at elcat.kg Tue Sep 1 13:30:06 2009 From: malik at elcat.kg (Malik Abdugaliev) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 17:30:06 +0600 Subject: [regional-russia] =?koi8-r?b?7s/XwdEg0M/MydTJy8Eg19nExczFzsnRIM7F2sHXydPJzdnIINLF09XS08/XOg==?= =?koi8-r?b?IM/QzMHUwSDawQ==?= =?koi8-r?b?INLFx8nT1NLBw8nA?= In-Reply-To: <20090830154902.23251.94886.Mailman@postboy.ripe.net> References: <20090830154902.23251.94886.Mailman@postboy.ripe.net> Message-ID: <200909011730.06955.malik@elcat.kg> ??????. ???????, ??? c 2010-?? ???? ????? ????? ??????? 50 ???? ? ??? ?? ?????? ??????????? ??????. ???????, ??? ??? ?????? ????? ??? ?????? ? ????????? ?????. ??? ????????? ????????? "Independent Assignment Request and Maintenance Agreement" (http://www.ripe.net/membership/lir-end-user-agreement.html) ?????? ?????? ?? ?????? ?? ???????????. ? ????????? ??????????? "Administration Fee" - ?????? ?? ????????? ???????????, ??????? ???? ?????? ????. ???????, ??? ?? ???????????, ??? ? ?? ????? ?????? ??????, ???? ?????? ???????. ?? ?????? ?? ??? ??????? ? RIPE ?? ??????????? ??????????? ????????? ???? ???, ?? ?????? RIPE ????????? ??? ?????? ? ?????????, ?????? ???????????? ???????? ????? ? ????? ? ?? ???? ????? ?????? ?? ??????????? ? ?????? ???????. ????? ??????????. # ????????? ????????????? ??????? ?????? ???????? ????? # ZED-RIPE # http://www.elcat.kg/ From president at ukraine.su Tue Sep 1 14:03:08 2009 From: president at ukraine.su (Max Tulyev) Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 15:03:08 +0300 Subject: [regional-russia] =?KOI8-R?Q?=EE=CF=D7=C1=D1_=D0=CF=CC=C9=D4?= =?KOI8-R?Q?=C9=CB=C1_=D7=D9=C4=C5=CC=C5=CE=C9=D1_=CE=C5=DA=C1=D7=C9=D3?= =?KOI8-R?Q?=C9=CD=D9=C8_=D2=C5=D3=D5=D2=D3=CF=D7=3A_=CF=D0=CC=C1=D4=C1?= =?KOI8-R?Q?_=DA=C1_=D2=C5=C7=C9=D3=D4=D2=C1=C3=C9=C0?= In-Reply-To: <200909011730.06955.malik@elcat.kg> References: <20090830154902.23251.94886.Mailman@postboy.ripe.net> <200909011730.06955.malik@elcat.kg> Message-ID: <4A9D0D7C.50806@ukraine.su> ?????? ????! ?? ?? 50, ? ?? 100 ??????? ? ?????? ????????, ??????. ??? ??? ?????????? ????? ???????. ???? ?? ? ???, ????? ?????????? ???? ?????. ???? ??????? ??????? ??????? ?? RIPE, ????? ???? ????? ?? ????? ????? ?????? ? ?? ????????? ??????? - ??????? ?????????? ? ????? ????????????. ???? ??? ?? ????? ?? ?????? ????? - ????? ???????? ??? ? ????? ?????????? ???????????? ? ???????, ??? ??? ???? ?? ? ????? ????-?? ?????? ?????? ??? ??? ?????? ??????? ????? ?? ????? ??????? ;) Malik Abdugaliev wrote: > ??????. > > ???????, ??? c 2010-?? ???? ????? ????? ??????? 50 ???? ? ??? ?? ?????? > ??????????? ??????. ???????, ??? ??? ?????? ????? ??? ?????? ? ????????? > ?????. > > ??? ????????? ????????? "Independent Assignment Request and Maintenance > Agreement" (http://www.ripe.net/membership/lir-end-user-agreement.html) > ?????? ?????? ?? ?????? ?? ???????????. > > ? ????????? ??????????? "Administration Fee" - ?????? ?? ????????? > ???????????, ??????? ???? ?????? ????. > ???????, ??? ?? ???????????, ??? ? ?? ????? ?????? ??????, ???? ?????? > ???????. ?? ?????? ?? ??? ??????? ? RIPE ?? ??????????? ??????????? ????????? > ???? ???, ?? ?????? RIPE ????????? ??? ?????? ? ?????????, ?????? > ???????????? ???????? ????? ? ????? ? ?? ???? ????? ?????? ?? ??????????? ? > ?????? > > ???????. > > ????? ??????????. > # ????????? ????????????? ??????? ?????? ???????? ????? > # ZED-RIPE > # http://www.elcat.kg/ -- WBR, Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) From sergey at devnull.ru Tue Sep 1 13:44:04 2009 From: sergey at devnull.ru (Sergey Myasoedov) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 13:44:04 +0200 Subject: [regional-russia] =?koi8-r?B?UmU6IFtyZWdpb25hbC1ydXNzaWFdIO7P18HRINDPzMnUycvBINfZxMXMxc7J0SDOxdrB18nT?= =?koi8-r?B?yc3ZyCDSxdPV0tPP1zogz9DMwdTBINrBINLFx8nT1NLBw8nA?= In-Reply-To: <200909011730.06955.malik@elcat.kg> References: <20090830154902.23251.94886.Mailman@postboy.ripe.net> <200909011730.06955.malik@elcat.kg> Message-ID: <807545140.20090901134404@devnull.ru> ?????? ????, Charging Scheme 2010 ??? ?? ???????. ??????? ???????? ? 50 eur/year ??? ? ???????????? ????? ??????????????. ???? ?? ?? ??????, ????? ??? ????? ???? ???????, ?????? ????????????? ?? General Meeting ??? ???? ????????????, ????? ??? ????? ??? ????????. Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 1:30:06 PM, you wrote: MA> ??????. MA> ???????, ??? c 2010-?? ???? ????? ????? ??????? 50 ???? ? ??? ?? ?????? MA> ??????????? ??????. ???????, ??? ??? ?????? ????? ??? ?????? ? ????????? MA> ?????. MA> ??? ????????? ????????? "Independent Assignment Request and Maintenance MA> Agreement" (http://www.ripe.net/membership/lir-end-user-agreement.html) MA> ?????? ?????? ?? ?????? ?? ???????????. MA> ? ????????? ??????????? "Administration Fee" - ?????? ?? ????????? MA> ???????????, ??????? ???? ?????? ????. MA> ???????, ??? ?? ???????????, ??? ? ?? ????? ?????? ??????, ???? ?????? MA> ???????. ?? ?????? ?? ??? ??????? ? RIPE ?? ??????????? ??????????? ????????? MA> ???? ???, ?? ?????? RIPE ????????? ??? ?????? ? ?????????, ?????? MA> ???????????? ???????? ????? ? ????? ? ?? ???? ????? ?????? ?? ??????????? ? MA> ?????? MA> ???????. MA> ????? ??????????. MA> # ????????? ????????????? ??????? ?????? ???????? ????? MA> # ZED-RIPE MA> # http://www.elcat.kg/ -- Sergey From maria at ruscomnet.ru Tue Sep 1 16:17:36 2009 From: maria at ruscomnet.ru (Maria V. Stepanova) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 18:17:36 +0400 (MSD) Subject: [regional-russia] =?koi8-r?b?7s/XwdEg0M/MydTJy8Eg19nExczFzsnRIM7F2sHXydPJzdnIINLF09XS08/XOg==?= =?koi8-r?b?IM/QzMHUwSDawQ==?= =?koi8-r?b?INLFx8nT1NLBw8nA?= In-Reply-To: <200909011730.06955.malik@elcat.kg> References: <20090830154902.23251.94886.Mailman@postboy.ripe.net> <200909011730.06955.malik@elcat.kg> Message-ID: <20090901180337.P28763@fox> ?????, ? ???????? ? RIPE NCC ??????? ??????: -------------------cut here------------------- > 2. If to speak about Independent Assignment Request and Maintenance > Agreement (between End User with Direct Assignment and LIR): is the > amount of Administration Fee (item 2.2) is the subject of interest of > RIPE NCC or we may not to show it while upload the signed Agreement? - It is the LIR's choice if they want to mention the Administration Fee on the End User Assignment Agreement. LIRs definitely need to confirm that the End User Assignment Agreement contains all of the elements listed in paragraph 2.0 of "Contractual Requirements for Provider Independent Resource Holders in the RIPE NCC Service Region". -------------------cut here------------------- ???????, ? ????? ???? ???-?????? ??? ????????? ?? ??????? "Independent Assignment Request and Maintenance Agreement" (http://www.ripe.net/membership/lir-end-user-agreement.html) - ???? ?? ?????, ????? ???? ??????????? ? ?? ???? ??????? ?????... :-) ???? ????? ?? ????????? - ?? ? ?????, ???????? ????? ... ? ?????????, ????? ????????? On Tue, 1 Sep 2009, Malik Abdugaliev wrote: > ??????. > > ???????, ??? c 2010-?? ???? ????? ????? ??????? 50 ???? ? ??? ?? ?????? > ??????????? ??????. ???????, ??? ??? ?????? ????? ??? ?????? ? ????????? > ?????. > > ??? ????????? ????????? "Independent Assignment Request and Maintenance > Agreement" (http://www.ripe.net/membership/lir-end-user-agreement.html) > ?????? ?????? ?? ?????? ?? ???????????. > > ? ????????? ??????????? "Administration Fee" - ?????? ?? ????????? > ???????????, ??????? ???? ?????? ????. > ???????, ??? ?? ???????????, ??? ? ?? ????? ?????? ??????, ???? ?????? > ???????. ?? ?????? ?? ??? ??????? ? RIPE ?? ??????????? ??????????? ????????? > ???? ???, ?? ?????? RIPE ????????? ??? ?????? ? ?????????, ?????? > ???????????? ???????? ????? ? ????? ? ?? ???? ????? ?????? ?? ??????????? ? > ?????? > > ???????. > > ????? ??????????. > # ????????? ????????????? ??????? ?????? ???????? ????? > # ZED-RIPE > # http://www.elcat.kg/ > > From als at cell.ru Tue Sep 1 19:20:25 2009 From: als at cell.ru (Alexander Serkin) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 21:20:25 +0400 Subject: [regional-russia] =?koi8-r?B?UkU6IFtyZWdpb25hbC1ydXNzaWFdIFJlOiBbcmVnaW9uYWwtcnVzcw==?= =?koi8-r?B?aWFdIO7P18HRINDPzMnUycvBINfZxMXMxc7J0SDOxdrB18nTyc3ZyA==?= =?koi8-r?B?INLF09XS08/XOiDP0MzB1MEg2sEg0sXHydPU0sHDycA=?= In-Reply-To: <807545140.20090901134404@devnull.ru> References: <20090830154902.23251.94886.Mailman@postboy.ripe.net> <200909011730.06955.malik@elcat.kg> <807545140.20090901134404@devnull.ru> Message-ID: <002501ca2b28$7ffe2a10$7ffa7e30$@ru> ???? ???? ?? ?????????, ?????? ??? ???????? ?????? ??????? ?? RIPE ?????? ???? ????????? ?????? ? ?????????? to be charged ?? ??? ? 2010 ????. ???? ?????????????? ??????????? ?? ??? ?????, ????? ? ?????? ??????? ? RIPE ?????????? ? ????? ?????????? ?? ???????? ?????????, ????????????? ?? ?????, ?????? ?????????? ?????? ?????????. ??? ???? LIR - ???? ? ??? ?? ???????????. ?? ?? ??? ????????? ?????? ? RIPE. -- als -----Original Message----- From: regional-russia-admin at ripe.net [mailto:regional-russia-admin at ripe.net] On Behalf Of Sergey Myasoedov Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 3:44 PM To: regional-russia at ripe.net Subject: [regional-russia] Re: [regional-russia] ????? ???????? ????????? ??????????? ????????: ?????? ?? ??????????? ?????? ????, Charging Scheme 2010 ??? ?? ???????. ??????? ???????? ? 50 eur/year ??? ? ???????????? ????? ??????????????. ???? ?? ?? ??????, ????? ??? ????? ???? ???????, ?????? ????????????? ?? General Meeting ??? ???? ????????????, ????? ??? ????? ??? ????????. Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 1:30:06 PM, you wrote: MA> ??????. MA> ???????, ??? c 2010-?? ???? ????? ????? ??????? 50 ???? ? ??? ?? ?????? MA> ??????????? ??????. ???????, ??? ??? ?????? ????? ??? ?????? ? ????????? MA> ?????. MA> ??? ????????? ????????? "Independent Assignment Request and Maintenance MA> Agreement" (http://www.ripe.net/membership/lir-end-user-agreement.html) MA> ?????? ?????? ?? ?????? ?? ???????????. MA> ? ????????? ??????????? "Administration Fee" - ?????? ?? ????????? MA> ???????????, ??????? ???? ?????? ????. MA> ???????, ??? ?? ???????????, ??? ? ?? ????? ?????? ??????, ???? ?????? MA> ???????. ?? ?????? ?? ??? ??????? ? RIPE ?? ??????????? ??????????? ????????? MA> ???? ???, ?? ?????? RIPE ????????? ??? ?????? ? ?????????, ?????? MA> ???????????? ???????? ????? ? ????? ? ?? ???? ????? ?????? ?? ??????????? ? MA> ?????? MA> ???????. MA> ????? ??????????. MA> # ????????? ????????????? ??????? ?????? ???????? ????? MA> # ZED-RIPE MA> # http://www.elcat.kg/ -- Sergey -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3487 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sergey at devnull.ru Tue Sep 1 20:56:11 2009 From: sergey at devnull.ru (Sergey Myasoedov) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 20:56:11 +0200 Subject: [regional-russia] =?koi8-r?B?UmU6IFtyZWdpb25hbC1ydXNzaWFdIO7P18HRINDPzMnUycvBINfZxMXMxc7J0SDOxdrB18nT?= =?koi8-r?B?yc3ZyCDSxdPV0tPP1zogz9DMwdTBINrBINLFx8nT1NLBw8nA?= In-Reply-To: <002501ca2b28$7ffe2a10$7ffa7e30$@ru> References: <20090830154902.23251.94886.Mailman@postboy.ripe.net> <200909011730.06955.malik@elcat.kg> <807545140.20090901134404@devnull.ru> <002501ca2b28$7ffe2a10$7ffa7e30$@ru> Message-ID: <107760882.20090901205611@devnull.ru> ?????? ??? ?????? ????????? ???????? ? ?????? ?? LIR??? - ??? ?????? ????. ? ???? ????????? LIR+?????? - ??? ??????????? ?????? ?? ??????????/??????????? ???????, ??????? ?????????????? RIPE NCC, ?? ???????? ?????? LIR+NCC - ??? ???????????????, ??????? ?????? ???? ?????????????? RIPE NCC Executive board ? ???????? General Meeting. ??????? ?? ? ????????? ? ????????? ?????????????. ??? ??????????? LIR ???????? ????? Charging Scheme ?????? ?? ???????, ?????????? ????? ????? ???????? ??? ???? ???????? (??? ???, ? ???? ??????? PI-???????). ?????? RIPE NCC ?? ?????????, ????????????????? ???????? (PI/PA) ????? ??????????????. ??? ?????? - Charging Scheme ?????? ???????? ???????. ? ? ???? ?????????? ?? ??? ? ?????????. ? ?? ??? ??? ????? ?????????? ????????????. Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 7:20:25 PM, you wrote: AS> ???? ???? ?? ?????????, ?????? ??? ???????? ?????? ??????? ?? RIPE ?????? AS> ???? ????????? AS> ?????? ? ?????????? to be charged ?? ??? ? 2010 ????. AS> ???? ?????????????? ??????????? ?? ??? ?????, ????? ? ?????? ??????? ? RIPE AS> ?????????? ? ????? ?????????? AS> ?? ???????? ?????????, ????????????? ?? ?????, ?????? ?????????? ?????? AS> ?????????. AS> ??? ???? LIR - ???? ? ??? ?? ???????????. ?? ?? ??? ????????? ?????? ? RIPE. AS> -- AS> als AS> -----Original Message----- AS> From: regional-russia-admin at ripe.net [mailto:regional-russia-admin at ripe.net] AS> On Behalf Of Sergey Myasoedov AS> Sent: Tuesday, September 01, 2009 3:44 PM AS> To: regional-russia at ripe.net AS> Subject: [regional-russia] Re: [regional-russia] ????? ???????? ????????? AS> ??????????? ????????: ?????? ?? ??????????? AS> ?????? ????, AS> Charging Scheme 2010 ??? ?? ???????. ??????? ???????? ? 50 eur/year ??? ? AS> ???????????? ????? AS> ??????????????. AS> ???? ?? ?? ??????, ????? ??? ????? ???? ???????, ?????? ????????????? ?? AS> General Meeting AS> ??? ???? ????????????, ????? ??? ????? ??? ????????. AS> Tuesday, September 1, 2009, 1:30:06 PM, you wrote: MA>> ??????. MA>> ???????, ??? c 2010-?? ???? ????? ????? ??????? 50 ???? ? ??? ?? ?????? MA>> ??????????? ??????. ???????, ??? ??? ?????? ????? ??? ?????? ? ????????? MA>> ?????. MA>> ??? ????????? ????????? "Independent Assignment Request and Maintenance MA>> Agreement" (http://www.ripe.net/membership/lir-end-user-agreement.html) MA>> ?????? ?????? ?? ?????? ?? ???????????. MA>> ? ????????? ??????????? "Administration Fee" - ?????? ?? ????????? MA>> ???????????, ??????? ???? ?????? ????. MA>> ???????, ??? ?? ???????????, ??? ? ?? ????? ?????? ??????, ???? ?????? MA>> ???????. ?? ?????? ?? ??? ??????? ? RIPE ?? ??????????? ??????????? AS> ????????? MA>> ???? ???, ?? ?????? RIPE ????????? ??? ?????? ? ?????????, ?????? MA>> ???????????? ???????? ????? ? ????? ? ?? ???? ????? ?????? ?? AS> ??????????? ? MA>> ?????? MA>> ???????. MA>> ????? ??????????. MA>> # ????????? ????????????? ??????? ?????? ???????? ????? MA>> # ZED-RIPE MA>> # http://www.elcat.kg/ AS> -- AS> Sergey -- Sergey From ankost at inetcomm.net Wed Sep 2 07:20:21 2009 From: ankost at inetcomm.net (=?koi8-r?B?4c7E0sXKIOvP09TJzg==?=) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 09:20:21 +0400 Subject: [regional-russia] =?koi8-r?B?SEE6IFtyZWdpb25hbC1ydXNzaWFdIO7P18HRINDPzMnUycvBINfZxA==?= =?koi8-r?B?xczFzsnRIM7F2sHXydPJzdnIINLF09XS08/XOiDP0MzB1MEg2sEg0g==?= =?koi8-r?B?xcfJ09TSwcPJwA==?= In-Reply-To: <20090901180337.P28763@fox> Message-ID: <20090902052021.7072CAB1D5B@mhost.inetcomm.ru> > -----???????? ?????????----- > ??: regional-russia-admin at ripe.net > [mailto:regional-russia-admin at ripe.net] ?? ????? Maria V. Stepanova > ??????????: 1 ???????? 2009 ?. 18:18 > ????: Malik Abdugaliev > ?????: regional-russia at ripe.net > ????: Re: [regional-russia] ????? ???????? ????????? > ??????????? ????????: ?????? ?? ??????????? > > ???????, > > ? ????? ???? ???-?????? ??? ????????? ?? ??????? "Independent > Assignment > Request and Maintenance Agreement" > (http://www.ripe.net/membership/lir-end-user-agreement.html) > - ???? ?? > ?????, ????? ???? ??????????? > ? ?? ???? ??????? ?????... :-) > > ???? ????? ?? ????????? - ?? ? ?????, ???????? ????? ... ????????? - ??? ??? ???????, ????????? ????? ???????? ?????????? ???????, ????? ???????? ? ???????????? ? ?????? ????????... ? ?????????, ?????? ?????? ???????, ???????????????????? ???????? ???? http://www.inetcomm.net/ +7 4967 555000 > > ? ?????????, > ????? ????????? > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4387 (20090901) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.esetnod32.ru From sergey at devnull.ru Wed Sep 2 10:47:39 2009 From: sergey at devnull.ru (Sergey Myasoedov) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 10:47:39 +0200 Subject: [regional-russia] =?koi8-r?B?UmU6IFtyZWdpb25hbC1ydXNzaWFdIFJlOiBbcmVnaW9uYWwtcnVzc2lhXSDuz9fB0SDQz8zJ?= =?koi8-r?B?1MnLwSDX2cTFzMXOydEgzsXawdfJ08nN2cgg0sXT1dLTz9c6IM/QzMHUwSDawSDSxcfJ09TS?= =?koi8-r?B?wcPJwA==?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1226214495.20090902104739@devnull.ru> Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 8:34:31 AM, you wrote: >> ??? ?????? - Charging Scheme ?????? ???????? ???????. ? ? ???? >> ?????????? ?? ??? ? >> ?????????. ? ?? ??? ??? ????? ?????????? ????????????. pir> ? ????? ???????? ? ???? ???? ??????????? ????????? ????? ??????, ??????? ?????? ???? pir> ?? ??? LIR, ??????? ?????????? ?????????? ? ?????????? PI-??????. pir> ? ?? ?????, ??????? ???? ?? ?????, ????????? PI-?????? ?????? ??? ?????????. ? ??? pir> ??? ?? ??????? ? ?????????? ???????? ? ???????? RIPE. pir> ??????? ????????? ?????? - ??? ???? ?????????? ??????????? ?????????? ??? ??? ?? ???????. ? ????? ?????? ???????????? ?????? ??? ?????????????, ? ??????? ?? ???????????? CS-2010 ? ???????? ?? 90 kEUR. -- Sergey From fabler at mtu.ru Wed Sep 2 15:25:08 2009 From: fabler at mtu.ru (Sergey Budnevitch) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 17:25:08 +0400 Subject: [regional-russia] CS-2010 & 'Not my End User' Message-ID: <42E74AAE-9CDB-44AE-A1BA-5995160A48E8@mtu.ru> ???????????. ???????, ?????????? ??? ?? ????? ripe'? ????? ?????????????????? ???????? end user'? ? ??????, ???? LIR ??? ASN ? PI ????? ??????? ???????????? ?????? ??????? 'Not my End User', ? ??????? ??? ????????????? ????????????? ? ripe-452 ???? ????? "If the End User wishes to cease their current contractual relationship, they must first have a new contractual relationship in place with either another sponsoring LIR or else with the RIPE NCC. In either case, such contractual changes must be communicated to the RIPE NCC each time they occur." ? ????? ?????? 'contractual relationship' ???????????, ???????????? ???????? ?????? ?? ??????? ??????? ? RIPE ??? ???? ????? ????????? ???????? ????????? ?????????? ??????? ???????? ? RIPE NCC? From sergey at devnull.ru Wed Sep 2 15:43:52 2009 From: sergey at devnull.ru (Sergey Myasoedov) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 15:43:52 +0200 Subject: [regional-russia] CS-2010 & 'Not my End User' In-Reply-To: <42E74AAE-9CDB-44AE-A1BA-5995160A48E8@mtu.ru> References: <42E74AAE-9CDB-44AE-A1BA-5995160A48E8@mtu.ru> Message-ID: <1539982735.20090902154352@devnull.ru> ??? ? ???????, End User ? ???? ?????? ???? ????????? ?????????? ? ?????????????? ??????? ?? RIPE NCC ? ??????????? ?????????? ???????? (ncc at ripe.net?), ???? ?????? ?? ?????? ? ???? ?????? ?? ????? ??. Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 3:25:08 PM, you wrote: SB> ???????????. SB> ???????, ?????????? ??? ?? ????? ripe'? SB> ????? ?????????????????? ???????? SB> end user'? ? ??????, ???? LIR ??? ASN ? PI ????? SB> ??????? ???????????? ?????? SB> ??????? 'Not my End User', ? ??????? ??? SB> ????????????? ????????????? SB> ? ripe-452 ???? ????? "If the End User wishes to cease their SB> current contractual SB> relationship, they must first have a new contractual relationship in SB> place with either SB> another sponsoring LIR or else with the RIPE NCC. In either case, SB> such contractual SB> changes must be communicated to the RIPE NCC each time they occur." SB> ? ????? ?????? 'contractual relationship' SB> ???????????, ???????????? SB> ???????? ?????? ?? ??????? ??????? ? SB> RIPE ??? ???? ????? ????????? SB> ???????? ????????? ?????????? ??????? SB> ???????? ? RIPE NCC? -- Sergey From fabler at mtu.ru Tue Sep 15 09:53:27 2009 From: fabler at mtu.ru (Sergey Budnevitch) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 11:53:27 +0400 Subject: [regional-russia] CS-2010 & 'Not my End User' In-Reply-To: <42E74AAE-9CDB-44AE-A1BA-5995160A48E8@mtu.ru> References: <42E74AAE-9CDB-44AE-A1BA-5995160A48E8@mtu.ru> Message-ID: <8A217A59-705D-4A76-8D03-C59355169A51@mtu.ru> ???????????. ????? Arne Kiessling ?? RIPE NCC, ???? ????-?? ??? ??????????: ---------- > I failed to find any documents on your site except ripe-452, but > ripe-452 describe cease of contractual relationship and there is no > contract between end user and LIR right now. I am actually not 'end > user' but a LIR representative and probably have to inform our > ex-end user about this ripe policy change and my question will be > first question they ask me. - The RIPE NCC recently published a procedure document describing the process for this: ripe-475, "Independent Internet Number Resources - Contractual Relationship Changes between sponsoring LIR and End User" which is available here: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-475.html > The question was: what exactly end user with PI address space and/or > AS have to do when LIR > choose 'Not my End User' in 'Independent Resources - Contractual > Relationship' form. Is > there any complete instruction on RIPE site or end user should write > letter to someone in RIPE > or somebody in RIPE will contact end user in near future? - The future sponsoring LIR can request to have the resources in question moved to their registry by sending an email to enduser-contract at ripe.net. They need to provide the following documents: - End User Assignment Agreement between the LIR and their end user regarding the registration of the resources which complies with the requirements described in ripe-452, "Contractual Requirements for Provider Independent Resource Holders in the RIPE NCC Service Region" - official Company Registration Documents of the end user?s organisation If the end user can not find a sponsoring LIR for the resources they hold the RIPE NCC will contact the end user directly in the future. ---------- ? ?????????? ? ????? ?? ??????? ????????????? ?????? ? ????????: ---------- If you could also mention that end users with independent resources have the following options: - sign an End User Assignment Agreement with a sponsoring LIR of their choice (this does not mean end users have to sign a contract for connectivity or other services with the sponsoring LIR) - become Direct Assignment User and sign an End User Assignment Agreement directly with the RIPE NCC - become LIR - renumber their network and return the resources For those who attend the RIPE Regional Meeting in Moscow this week, we will also have a Services Center and be able to answer your questions there. ---------- On 02.09.2009, at 17:25, Sergey Budnevitch wrote: > ???????????. > > ???????, ?????????? ??? ?? ????? ripe'? > ????? ?????????????????? ???????? > end user'? ? ??????, ???? LIR ??? ASN ? PI ????? > ??????? ???????????? ?????? > ??????? 'Not my End User', ? ??????? ??? > ????????????? ????????????? > ? ripe-452 ???? ????? "If the End User wishes to cease > their current contractual > relationship, they must first have a new contractual relationship in > place with either > another sponsoring LIR or else with the RIPE NCC. In either case, > such contractual > changes must be communicated to the RIPE NCC each time they occur." > ? ????? ?????? 'contractual relationship' > ???????????, ???????????? > ???????? ?????? ?? ??????? ??????? ? > RIPE ??? ???? ????? ????????? > ???????? ????????? ?????????? > ??????? ???????? ? RIPE NCC? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From meeting at ripe.net Wed Sep 16 22:59:42 2009 From: meeting at ripe.net (Paul Rendek) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:59:42 +0200 Subject: [regional-russia] Reminder: RIPE NCC Regional Meeting Moscow, 17-18 September 2009 Message-ID: <4AB151BE.6010801@ripe.net> Dear Colleagues, This is a final reminder that the RIPE NCC Regional Meeting is taking place at the Marriott Grand Hotel, Moscow, on 17-18 September 2009. If you have not already registered it will still be possible to register onsite at the meeting. More information about this event is available at: http://portal.ripe.net/web/moscow-2009/moscow-2009 If you have any questions, please send an email to . Regards, Paul Rendek Head of External Relations and Communications RIPE NCC From meeting at ripe.net Mon Sep 21 12:06:05 2009 From: meeting at ripe.net (Paul Rendek) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 12:06:05 +0200 Subject: [regional-russia] RIPE NCC Regional Meeting Moscow: Thanks for participating Message-ID: <4AB7500D.6040803@ripe.net> Dear Colleagues, We'd like to thank everyone who participated in last week's RIPE NCC Regional Meeting. The meeting took place at the Marriott Grand Hotel in Moscow on 17-18 September 2009. Over 230 people attended and participants included RIPE NCC members, key players in the global and local Internet industry and RIPE NCC staff. Presentations ------------- The presentations given at this meeting will be online shortly at: http://portal.ripe.net/web/moscow-2009/presentations Feedback ------- We received a lot of valuable feedback from attendees. If you still have comments about the meeting, please fill in the feedback form online at: http://portal.ripe.net/web/moscow-2009/feedback Thanks ------ A special thanks goes to the RU Center for hosting this event. We would also like to thank our other sponsors: - Coordination Centre for TLD .RU - The German Commercial Internet Exchange (DE-CIX) - Moscow Internet Exchange (MSK-IX) - Neutral Internet eXchange (NIX) - London Internet Exchange (LINX) - Russian Institute for Public Networks (RIPN) Media sponsors: - IKS Media - IP News Thanks once again for your participation at this meeting. We look forward to seeing you again at the next event. Regards, Paul Rendek Head of External Relations and Communication RIPE NCC ========= RIPE 59: Join us at RIPE 59, 5-9 October, Lisbon, Portugal You can register online for RIPE 59 at: https://ripe59.ripe.net/registration More information about the meeting is available at: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-59/ The RIPE NCC can assist with visas for Portugal. For more information about this, please email . From malik at elcat.kg Tue Sep 22 09:16:02 2009 From: malik at elcat.kg (Malik Abdugaliev) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 13:16:02 +0600 Subject: [regional-russia] PI Resources: Timeline 20 September 2009? Message-ID: <200909221316.02895.malik@elcat.kg> ??????. ????? ?? ????? ???????, ??? ??????? ??????????? ???????, ??????? ????? ???????????? LIR, ????? ????? ?? 20 ????????: On 21 September, this part of the portal will be disabled. (http://www.ripe.net/rs/pi-existing-assignments.html) ??????? 22-?, ?? ??????????????? ???? ? LIR ??????? ?? ??? ??? ???????. ?????? ?? ???, ??? ? ???? ???-?? ????????? ?? ?? ????? ??? ????? ???? ?????? ?????????, ?????? ????????? ??? ?????????? ? ????????? ) ???????. ????? ??????????. # ????????? ????????????? ??????????? ?????? ???????? ????? # ZED-RIPE # http://www.elcat.kg/ From sergey at devnull.ru Tue Sep 22 12:59:56 2009 From: sergey at devnull.ru (Sergey Myasoedov) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 12:59:56 +0200 Subject: [regional-russia] =?koi8-r?B?x8/Mz9PP18HOycUgzsEgR2VuZXJhbCBNZWV0aW5n?= Message-ID: <1567694705.20090922125956@devnull.ru> ????????? ???????, ???? ?????????, ??? 7 ??????? ????????? RIPE NCC General Meeting, ?? ??????? ???????????? ?????, ? ??? ?????, ??????????? ????? ????? ??????????? ????? RIPE NCC. ???????? ?????????? ?????? ????? Direct Assignment (DA) ???????? ?? ????????? ????????. ? DA-???????? ????????? ??? PI-assignments (IPv4/IPv6) ? AS, ???????? ???????? ????????????? ? ?? ?????????? ?? ?????????? ???????????? ??? "My infrastructure" ? ??????? Independent Resources LIR ???????. ??? DA ?? ????? ????? ??????????? ????? ????????????????? ?? 50 ???? ?? ?????? ?????? (inetnum, aut-num, inet6num) ? ????? ???????, ????? ????????? ?????????????? ???? ?? ?????? RIPE NCC. ??? ???, ??? ??? LIR ?? ??????? DA, ????? ??????????? ?? ????????? ? ????? ???????? ?? ??????????. ???, ???????, ??????? ?????????? ? ???????????? ?????. ??????????, ??? ???????? ?????????? ??????-???? allocated ?????? ? ???????? ?? AS ????????? ????-?? ??????, ?????? RIPE NCC ????? ?????????? ???????? ????? ? ??????? ???????? ?????????????? ????????. ??? ???? ????? ????????? ???????? ?? ??????? LIR ????? ????????? ?? 90'000 ???? ? ??? ?? ????????? RIPE, ? ?????? RIPE NCC ????????????? ????????????? (150'000-300'000 ????). ????? ???????? ?? ??????????? ????????, ???, ?????????????. ??????? ????????, ?? ????? ??????, ????? ????????? ? ??? ?????????????? ????????. ??????? ?????????? ??????? ?????? ??? ??????? 2007-01 ????????? ????????? ????? ???????? ? ??? ????????? ????????? ????. ? ?????? ?????? ????? ?? ?????????? ? ???????? ?????????? ?????? ??????????? ????? ????? ???????????. ??? ??????????? ?? ??????????? ????? ? ???????? ? ???????????????? ?? General Meeting. ?????????? ???? ??????????? Proxy Voting form, ??????? ????????? ? ????? ?????? ? ????????? ?? ?? ????? ??????????? ???? LIR. ????? ????? ????????? ??????? ??????????? ???? LIR ????? ?? ??????? LIR contact. ? ?? General Meeting ??? ? ???? ?? ???? ?????????? ??????? ?????????? ?????? ??????????? Charging Scheme. ????? ???????, ????????? ???????????? ????? ???????? ?? ??? ??? - Sergey Myasoedov, ???? ???????? 14.06.1980. ???????????? ????? ??? ???????? ?????? ?? e-mail ??? ?? ???? +420227203638 ?? ?????, 23 ????????, 23:59 ???. ??????? ?????????? ???????????? ????? ???????? ? ????? ??????. ? ????? ???????? ?? ????? ??????? ?? ?????? ????. -- Sergey -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: proxy.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 100299 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: example.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 85311 bytes Desc: not available URL: From poty at iiat.ru Tue Sep 22 14:48:58 2009 From: poty at iiat.ru (poty at iiat.ru) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 16:48:58 +0400 Subject: [regional-russia] =?koi8-r?B?UkU6IFtyZWdpb25hbC1ydXNzaWFdIMfPzM/Tz9fBzsnFIM7BIEdlbmVyYWw=?= =?koi8-r?B?IE1lZXRpbmc=?= Message-ID: ????????????! ???? ??????????. ?? ????????? ????????? ??? PI ? AS, ?????????? ?? ????, "?????????" ?? ??? ????????? ????????????, ??? LIR. ??????????????, ?????????? ??????? ????? ???????????????? ????????. ? ??????, ??????????? ????? ?? ??? ????? ???????????, ???? ?? ?????????? - ?????????? ?? ???. ??? ???????? ??????... ???? ? ???, ??? ??? ?????? "?????" ?? ??????????? ??????????. ????? ??????? ?? ??????, ??? ??? ?? ????? ???????. ??????? ?? ????????? ??????, ? ?????? ??????? ???? ???????? ?????? ???????? ???????? ????????! ? ???? ? ????? - ????? ?????? ??? ????????? ????? ???????? ?????????????????? ?? ?? ????????????? ? ????????? ???????????, ? ?? ?? ???????????? ?????????? ??????? ?????????? RIPE. 90000 ????? ? ???? ????? ?????? ??? - ???????????! ???? ???? ?????, ??? end-user ????? ???? AS ? PI-????, ?? ?????????? 100 ???? ?? end-user-?, ? ?????? (?? ??????? 4000 ???? LIR ?????? ?? LARGE) ??? 860 ????? end-user! ????????, ??? ?????? ???? ???? ?????? ????????????, ???? ????? ??????? LIR. ?????, ????? ? ???? 1-2, ?? ???? ?? ? RIPE ???????! ? ?????????, ??????? ????????? Ru.iiat -----Original Message----- From: regional-russia-admin at ripe.net [mailto:regional-russia-admin at ripe.net] On Behalf Of Sergey Myasoedov Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 3:00 PM To: regional-russia at ripe.net Subject: [regional-russia] ??????????? ?? General Meeting ????????? ???????, ???? ?????????, ??? 7 ??????? ????????? RIPE NCC General Meeting, ?? ??????? ???????????? ?????, ? ??? ?????, ??????????? ????? ????? ??????????? ????? RIPE NCC. ???????? ?????????? ?????? ????? Direct Assignment (DA) ???????? ?? ????????? ????????. ? DA-???????? ????????? ??? PI-assignments (IPv4/IPv6) ? AS, ???????? ???????? ????????????? ? ?? ?????????? ?? ?????????? ???????????? ??? "My infrastructure" ? ??????? Independent Resources LIR ???????. ??? DA ?? ????? ????? ??????????? ????? ????????????????? ?? 50 ???? ?? ?????? ?????? (inetnum, aut-num, inet6num) ? ????? ???????, ????? ????????? ?????????????? ???? ?? ?????? RIPE NCC. ??? ???, ??? ??? LIR ?? ??????? DA, ????? ??????????? ?? ????????? ? ????? ???????? ?? ??????????. ???, ???????, ??????? ?????????? ? ???????????? ?????. ??????????, ??? ???????? ?????????? ??????-???? allocated ?????? ? ???????? ?? AS ????????? ????-?? ??????, ?????? RIPE NCC ????? ?????????? ???????? ????? ? ??????? ???????? ?????????????? ????????. ??? ???? ????? ????????? ???????? ?? ??????? LIR ????? ????????? ?? 90'000 ???? ? ??? ?? ????????? RIPE, ? ?????? RIPE NCC ????????????? ????????????? (150'000-300'000 ????). ????? ???????? ?? ??????????? ????????, ???, ?????????????. ??????? ????????, ?? ????? ??????, ????? ????????? ? ??? ?????????????? ????????. ??????? ?????????? ??????? ?????? ??? ??????? 2007-01 ????????? ????????? ????? ???????? ? ??? ????????? ????????? ????. ? ?????? ?????? ????? ?? ?????????? ? ???????? ?????????? ?????? ??????????? ????? ????? ???????????. ??? ??????????? ?? ??????????? ????? ? ???????? ? ???????????????? ?? General Meeting. ?????????? ???? ??????????? Proxy Voting form, ??????? ????????? ? ????? ?????? ? ????????? ?? ?? ????? ??????????? ???? LIR. ????? ????? ????????? ??????? ??????????? ???? LIR ????? ?? ??????? LIR contact. ? ?? General Meeting ??? ? ???? ?? ???? ?????????? ??????? ?????????? ?????? ??????????? Charging Scheme. ????? ???????, ????????? ???????????? ????? ???????? ?? ??? ??? - Sergey Myasoedov, ???? ???????? 14.06.1980. ???????????? ????? ??? ???????? ?????? ?? e-mail ??? ?? ???? +420227203638 ?? ?????, 23 ????????, 23:59 ???. ??????? ?????????? ???????????? ????? ???????? ? ????? ??????. ? ????? ???????? ?? ????? ??????? ?? ?????? ????. -- Sergey From sergey at devnull.ru Tue Sep 22 15:01:01 2009 From: sergey at devnull.ru (Sergey Myasoedov) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 15:01:01 +0200 Subject: [regional-russia] =?koi8-r?B?UmU6IFtyZWdpb25hbC1ydXNzaWFdIMfPzM/Tz9fBzsnFIM7BIEdlbmVyYWwgTWVldGluZw==?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <136889522.20090922150101@devnull.ru> ?????????, ???????????? ???????????, ??? ?? ?? ???????? ??????????? Jochem de Ruig. ?? ?????? ?????? ? ?? ???????. ??????????? ????? ??????????? ?????? ?? ????? ???????????? ?????. ??????????, ??? ?????????? ??????????? ???????, ????????? ?? GM. ?????? "?????????" ???? "?? ?????????". ?????????? ??????? LIR - ??, ??????, ?? ???? ?? ????????????? ???????? ?????? ?????????????. ??????????????? ??????????? ??????????? DA ? ?????? ?? Extra Large/Large ? ?????? http://ripe.net/membership/indices/RU.html ? ???? ???? ? ??????????? ?????? ????????. ??, ? ????????? ? ???, ??? ???????? ??????? ????????, ?? ???? ?????????? ???????? ??? ?????? ????????? ????????, ??? ? RIPE NCC ????????? ????? ?? ????????? ??????. ???-??? ?????? ???????? ? ?????????????? ???? ?????????? ??? ???????? ????? ?????????????? ? ??????????? ???????. ?? ???????? ???? ???????????? ?????????? ?? ????????. ??? ?????? ????? ???????????? ????????? ? ????, ?????????? ???????? SH ? ????, ????? ?????? ?????? ?????????. ? ???????? ?????. Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 2:48:58 PM, you wrote: pir> ????????????! pir> ???? ??????????. ?? ????????? ????????? ??? PI ? AS, ?????????? ?? ????, "?????????" pir> ?? ??? ????????? ????????????, ??? LIR. ??????????????, ?????????? ??????? ????? pir> ???????????????? ????????. ? ??????, ??????????? ????? ?? ??? ????? ???????????, ???? ?? ?????????? - ?????????? ?? ???. pir> ??? ???????? ??????... ???? ? ???, ??? ??? ?????? "?????" ?? ??????????? ??????????. pir> ????? ??????? ?? ??????, ??? ??? ?? ????? ???????. ??????? ?? ????????? ??????, ? pir> ?????? ??????? ???? ???????? ?????? ???????? ???????? ????????! ? ???? ? ????? - pir> ????? ?????? ??? ????????? ????? ???????? ?????????????????? ?? ?? ????????????? ? pir> ????????? ???????????, ? ?? ?? ???????????? ?????????? ??????? ?????????? RIPE. pir> 90000 ????? ? ???? ????? ?????? ??? - ???????????! ???? ???? ?????, ??? end-user pir> ????? ???? AS ? PI-????, ?? ?????????? 100 ???? ?? end-user-?, ? ?????? (?? ??????? pir> 4000 ???? LIR ?????? ?? LARGE) ??? 860 ????? end-user! ????????, ??? ?????? ???? ???? pir> ?????? ????????????, ???? ????? ??????? LIR. ?????, ????? ? ???? 1-2, ?? ???? ?? ? RIPE ???????! pir> ? ?????????, pir> ??????? ????????? pir> Ru.iiat pir> -----Original Message----- pir> From: regional-russia-admin at ripe.net [mailto:regional-russia-admin at ripe.net] On Behalf Of Sergey Myasoedov pir> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 3:00 PM pir> To: regional-russia at ripe.net pir> Subject: [regional-russia] ??????????? ?? General Meeting pir> ????????? ???????, pir> ???? ?????????, ??? 7 ??????? ????????? RIPE NCC General Meeting, ?? ??????? pir> ???????????? ?????, ? ??? ?????, ??????????? ????? ????? ??????????? ????? RIPE NCC. pir> ???????? ?????????? ?????? ????? Direct Assignment (DA) ???????? ?? ????????? pir> ????????. ? DA-???????? ????????? ??? PI-assignments (IPv4/IPv6) ? AS, ???????? pir> ???????? ????????????? ? ?? ?????????? ?? ?????????? ???????????? ??? "My pir> infrastructure" ? ??????? Independent Resources LIR ???????. pir> ??? DA ?? ????? ????? ??????????? ????? ????????????????? ?? 50 ???? ?? ?????? pir> ?????? (inetnum, aut-num, inet6num) ? ????? ???????, ????? ????????? ?????????????? ???? ?? ?????? RIPE NCC. pir> ??? ???, ??? ??? LIR ?? ??????? DA, ????? ??????????? ?? ????????? ? ????? ???????? pir> ?? ??????????. ???, ???????, ??????? ?????????? ? ???????????? ?????. ??????????, ??? pir> ???????? ?????????? ??????-???? allocated ?????? ? ???????? ?? AS ????????? ????-?? pir> ??????, ?????? RIPE NCC ????? ?????????? ???????? ????? ? ??????? ???????? pir> ?????????????? ????????. ??? ???? ????? ????????? ???????? ?? ??????? LIR ????? pir> ????????? ?? 90'000 ???? ? ??? ?? ????????? RIPE, ? ?????? RIPE NCC ????????????? pir> ????????????? (150'000-300'000 ????). ????? ???????? ?? ??????????? ????????, ???, pir> ?????????????. ??????? ????????, ?? ????? ??????, ????? ????????? ? ??? pir> ?????????????? ????????. ??????? ?????????? ??????? ?????? ??? ??????? 2007-01 pir> ????????? ????????? ????? ???????? ? ??? ????????? ????????? ????. pir> ? ?????? ?????? ????? ?? ?????????? ? ???????? ?????????? ?????? ??????????? ????? pir> ????? ???????????. ??? ??????????? ?? ??????????? ????? ? ???????? ? ???????????????? pir> ?? General Meeting. ?????????? ???? ??????????? Proxy Voting form, ??????? ????????? pir> ? ????? ?????? ? ????????? ?? ?? ????? ??????????? ???? LIR. ????? ????? ????????? pir> ??????? ??????????? ???? LIR ????? ?? ??????? LIR contact. pir> ? ?? General Meeting ??? ? ???? ?? ???? ?????????? ??????? ?????????? ?????? pir> ??????????? Charging Scheme. ????? ???????, ????????? ???????????? ????? ???????? ?? pir> ??? ??? - Sergey Myasoedov, ???? ???????? 14.06.1980. pir> ???????????? ????? ??? ???????? ?????? ?? e-mail ??? ?? ???? +420227203638 ?? ?????, pir> 23 ????????, 23:59 ???. pir> ??????? ?????????? ???????????? ????? ???????? ? ????? ??????. pir> ? ????? ???????? ?? ????? ??????? ?? ?????? ????. -- Sergey -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Charging Scheme 2010 May 2009 v1.ppt Type: application/vnd.ms-powerpoint Size: 479232 bytes Desc: not available URL: From poty at iiat.ru Wed Sep 23 09:52:47 2009 From: poty at iiat.ru (poty at iiat.ru) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 11:52:47 +0400 Subject: [regional-russia] =?koi8-r?B?UkU6IFtyZWdpb25hbC1ydXNzaWFdIFJlOiBbcmVnaW9uYWwtcnVzcw==?= =?koi8-r?B?aWFdIMfPzM/Tz9fBzsnFIM7BIEdlbmVyYWwgTWVldGluZw==?= Message-ID: ??????! ??????????, ??? ????? ????????? (Scenario with Fee per Direct Assignments - ?) ? ?); Scenario with Fee per Direct Assignments; Current Scheme)! ? ?? ????, ?? ??????? ?????? RIPE. ?????????? ???? ?????? ???????? ???????????. ????????, ????? ???????? ?? ??????????, ?? ???????? ?? ????? ?? ??????????, ??? ??? ???? ?????? ???? ?? ?????? ???? ???? ?????! ?? ?????? "????????????????" - ??? ?? ? ???? ????? ?????????? ????? ??????????? ??????????, ?????? ? ???? ?????? - ???? ???????? (???? ???? ?? ????????? ?? ???? ????????). ?? ?????? ????????... ?? ????????? ?? ??????! ?????? ? ???, ????? _??????????_ "?????????" ??????? (??? ?????? ?????? ????? ? ???????? - ?????? ?? ?????). ??? ????? ??????????? ???????????? ?????. ? ?????, ????? ????, ??? ??? ?????????? - ????? ????????? ??? ? ???????????? RIPE ?????, ??? ? ?????? - ?????????. ? ??? ???????????? ???? ????? "??????????? ???????", ???, ?? ????????! ? ???????? ????? ?? ?????????! ??, ??? ?? ????????? - ??? ????????? ????, ?? ??????? ???????? ???? ?? ??????? ????, ??? ??? ?? ???? ????????! ? ??? ?????????? ????? ??????? ??????? ???-?? ???????, ??? ?????, ??? ???????????? ??? ??????? ???? (????????, VPN ????? ??????? ? ????.) - ??? ????? ? ?????????... ????? ???????? ??? ???, ????????? ?? ???? ? ? ????-?????? RIPE. ? ?????????, ??????? ????????? Ru.iiat -----Original Message----- From: regional-russia-admin at ripe.net [mailto:regional-russia-admin at ripe.net] On Behalf Of Sergey Myasoedov Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 5:01 PM To: regional-russia at ripe.net Subject: [regional-russia] Re: [regional-russia] ??????????? ?? General Meeting ?????????, ???????????? ???????????, ??? ?? ?? ???????? ??????????? Jochem de Ruig. ?? ?????? ?????? ? ?? ???????. ??????????? ????? ??????????? ?????? ?? ????? ???????????? ?????. ??????????, ??? ?????????? ??????????? ???????, ????????? ?? GM. ?????? "?????????" ???? "?? ?????????". ?????????? ??????? LIR - ??, ??????, ?? ???? ?? ????????????? ???????? ?????? ?????????????. ??????????????? ??????????? ??????????? DA ? ?????? ?? Extra Large/Large ? ?????? http://ripe.net/membership/indices/RU.html ? ???? ???? ? ??????????? ?????? ????????. ??, ? ????????? ? ???, ??? ???????? ??????? ????????, ?? ???? ?????????? ???????? ??? ?????? ????????? ????????, ??? ? RIPE NCC ????????? ????? ?? ????????? ??????. ???-??? ?????? ???????? ? ?????????????? ???? ?????????? ??? ???????? ????? ?????????????? ? ??????????? ???????. ?? ???????? ???? ???????????? ?????????? ?? ????????. ??? ?????? ????? ???????????? ????????? ? ????, ?????????? ???????? SH ? ????, ????? ?????? ?????? ?????????. ? ???????? ?????. Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 2:48:58 PM, you wrote: pir> ????????????! pir> ???? ??????????. ?? ????????? ????????? ??? PI ? AS, ?????????? ?? ????, "?????????" pir> ?? ??? ????????? ????????????, ??? LIR. ??????????????, ?????????? pir> ??????? ????? ???????????????? ????????. ? ??????, ??????????? ????? ?? ??? ????? ???????????, ???? ?? ?????????? - ?????????? ?? ???. pir> ??? ???????? ??????... ???? ? ???, ??? ??? ?????? "?????" ?? ??????????? ??????????. pir> ????? ??????? ?? ??????, ??? ??? ?? ????? ???????. ??????? ?? pir> ????????? ??????, ? ?????? ??????? ???? ???????? ?????? ???????? pir> ???????? ????????! ? ???? ? ????? - ????? ?????? ??? ????????? pir> ????? ???????? ?????????????????? ?? ?? ????????????? ? ????????? ???????????, ? ?? ?? ???????????? ?????????? ??????? ?????????? RIPE. pir> 90000 ????? ? ???? ????? ?????? ??? - ???????????! ???? ???? ?????, pir> ??? end-user ????? ???? AS ? PI-????, ?? ?????????? 100 ???? ?? pir> end-user-?, ? ?????? (?? ??????? 4000 ???? LIR ?????? ?? LARGE) ??? pir> 860 ????? end-user! ????????, ??? ?????? ???? ???? ?????? ????????????, ???? ????? ??????? LIR. ?????, ????? ? ???? 1-2, ?? ???? ?? ? RIPE ???????! pir> ? ?????????, pir> ??????? ????????? pir> Ru.iiat pir> -----Original Message----- pir> From: regional-russia-admin at ripe.net pir> [mailto:regional-russia-admin at ripe.net] On Behalf Of Sergey pir> Myasoedov pir> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 3:00 PM pir> To: regional-russia at ripe.net pir> Subject: [regional-russia] ??????????? ?? General Meeting pir> ????????? ???????, pir> ???? ?????????, ??? 7 ??????? ????????? RIPE NCC General Meeting, pir> ?? ??????? ???????????? ?????, ? ??? ?????, ??????????? ????? ????? ??????????? ????? RIPE NCC. pir> ???????? ?????????? ?????? ????? Direct Assignment (DA) ???????? ?? pir> ????????? ????????. ? DA-???????? ????????? ??? PI-assignments pir> (IPv4/IPv6) ? AS, ???????? ???????? ????????????? ? ?? ?????????? pir> ?? ?????????? ???????????? ??? "My infrastructure" ? ??????? Independent Resources LIR ???????. pir> ??? DA ?? ????? ????? ??????????? ????? ????????????????? ?? 50 pir> ???? ?? ?????? ?????? (inetnum, aut-num, inet6num) ? ????? ???????, ????? ????????? ?????????????? ???? ?? ?????? RIPE NCC. pir> ??? ???, ??? ??? LIR ?? ??????? DA, ????? ??????????? ?? ????????? pir> ? ????? ???????? ?? ??????????. ???, ???????, ??????? ?????????? ? pir> ???????????? ?????. ??????????, ??? ???????? ?????????? ??????-???? pir> allocated ?????? ? ???????? ?? AS ????????? ????-?? ??????, ?????? pir> RIPE NCC ????? ?????????? ???????? ????? ? ??????? ???????? pir> ?????????????? ????????. ??? ???? ????? ????????? ???????? ?? pir> ??????? LIR ????? ????????? ?? 90'000 ???? ? ??? ?? ????????? RIPE, pir> ? ?????? RIPE NCC ????????????? ????????????? (150'000-300'000 pir> ????). ????? ???????? ?? ??????????? ????????, ???, ?????????????. pir> ??????? ????????, ?? ????? ??????, ????? ????????? ? ??? ?????????????? ????????. ??????? ?????????? ??????? ?????? ??? ??????? 2007-01 ????????? ????????? ????? ???????? ? ??? ????????? ????????? ????. pir> ? ?????? ?????? ????? ?? ?????????? ? ???????? ?????????? ?????? pir> ??????????? ????? ????? ???????????. ??? ??????????? ?? ??????????? pir> ????? ? ???????? ? ???????????????? ?? General Meeting. ?????????? pir> ???? ??????????? Proxy Voting form, ??????? ????????? ? ????? pir> ?????? ? ????????? ?? ?? ????? ??????????? ???? LIR. ????? ????? ????????? ??????? ??????????? ???? LIR ????? ?? ??????? LIR contact. pir> ? ?? General Meeting ??? ? ???? ?? ???? ?????????? ??????? pir> ?????????? ?????? ??????????? Charging Scheme. ????? ???????, pir> ????????? ???????????? ????? ???????? ?? ??? ??? - Sergey Myasoedov, ???? ???????? 14.06.1980. pir> ???????????? ????? ??? ???????? ?????? ?? e-mail ??? ?? ???? pir> +420227203638 ?? ?????, pir> 23 ????????, 23:59 ???. pir> ??????? ?????????? ???????????? ????? ???????? ? ????? ??????. pir> ? ????? ???????? ?? ????? ??????? ?? ?????? ????. -- Sergey From sergey at devnull.ru Wed Sep 23 11:36:12 2009 From: sergey at devnull.ru (Sergey Myasoedov) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 11:36:12 +0200 Subject: [regional-russia] =?utf-8?B?UmU6IFtyZWdpb25hbC1ydXNzaWFdIFJlOiBbcmVnaW9uYWwtcnVzc2lhXSDQs9C+0LvQvtGB?= =?utf-8?B?0L7QstCw0L3QuNC1INC90LAgR2VuZXJhbCBNZWV0aW5n?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1994105690.20090923113612@devnull.ru> ?????? ????! ?? ??????? ?????? ????????? CS-2010 ???? ??????? ????????????? - ????????? GM (http://www.ripe.net/membership/gm/gm-october2009/agenda.html). ??????? ??????? ???? ??????????? ?? GM. ????????? A ?????? ??????? ??? ??????? ?????? ????????? ? ?50 per DA. ?????????? ????? ?? ???????? ???????? ?. ???? ?? ?? ?? ????? ?????? - ????? ????????? ???????? ??????? B. ????? ? ????? "???????????????" - ???? ? ???? ???????????, ??????????. ??????? LIR ? ?????? ???????? ??, ????? ????, ??? ???????. ?????????? ??? ???? ????????. ?? ????? ??????? ????????, ???? ?????, ??? ????? DA ? ??? ??? ???????? ???????????? - ?? ??????. Wednesday, September 23, 2009, 9:52:47 AM, you wrote: pir> ??????! ??????????, ??? ????? ????????? (Scenario with Fee per Direct Assignments - pir> ?) ? ?); Scenario with Fee per Direct Assignments; Current Scheme)! ? ?? ????, ?? pir> ??????? ?????? RIPE. ?????????? ???? ?????? ???????? ???????????. ????????, ????? pir> ???????? ?? ??????????, ?? ???????? ?? ????? ?? ??????????, ??? ??? ???? ?????? ???? ?? ?????? ???? ???? ?????! pir> ?? ?????? "????????????????" - ??? ?? ? ???? ????? ?????????? ????? ??????????? pir> ??????????, ?????? ? ???? ?????? - ???? ???????? (???? ???? ?? ????????? ?? ???? ????????). pir> ?? ?????? ????????... ?? ????????? ?? ??????! ?????? ? ???, ????? _??????????_ pir> "?????????" ??????? (??? ?????? ?????? ????? ? ???????? - ?????? ?? ?????). ??? ????? pir> ??????????? ???????????? ?????. ? ?????, ????? ????, ??? ??? ?????????? - ????? pir> ????????? ??? ? ???????????? RIPE ?????, ??? ? ?????? - ?????????. pir> ? ??? ???????????? ???? ????? "??????????? ???????", ???, ?? ????????! ? ???????? pir> ????? ?? ?????????! ??, ??? ?? ????????? - ??? ????????? ????, ?? ??????? ???????? pir> ???? ?? ??????? ????, ??? ??? ?? ???? ????????! ? ??? ?????????? ????? ??????? pir> ??????? ???-?? ???????, ??? ?????, ??? ???????????? ??? ??????? ???? (????????, VPN pir> ????? ??????? ? ????.) - ??? ????? ? ?????????... ????? ???????? ??? ???, ????????? ?? ???? ? ? ????-?????? RIPE. pir> ? ?????????, pir> ??????? ????????? pir> Ru.iiat pir> -----Original Message----- pir> From: regional-russia-admin at ripe.net [mailto:regional-russia-admin at ripe.net] On Behalf Of Sergey Myasoedov pir> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 5:01 PM pir> To: regional-russia at ripe.net pir> Subject: [regional-russia] Re: [regional-russia] ??????????? ?? General Meeting pir> ?????????, pir> ???????????? ???????????, ??? ?? ?? ???????? ??????????? Jochem de Ruig. ?? ?????? ?????? ? ?? ???????. pir> ??????????? ????? ??????????? ?????? ?? ????? ???????????? ?????. ??????????, ??? pir> ?????????? ??????????? ???????, ????????? ?? GM. ?????? "?????????" ???? "?? ?????????". pir> ?????????? ??????? LIR - ??, ??????, ?? ???? ?? ????????????? ???????? ?????? pir> ?????????????. ??????????????? ??????????? ??????????? DA ? ?????? ?? Extra pir> Large/Large ? ?????? http://ripe.net/membership/indices/RU.html pir> ? ???? ???? ? ??????????? ?????? ????????. ??, ? ????????? ? ???, ??? ???????? pir> ??????? ????????, ?? ???? ?????????? ???????? ??? ?????? ????????? ????????, ??? ? pir> RIPE NCC ????????? ????? ?? ????????? ??????. ???-??? ?????? ???????? ? pir> ?????????????? ???? ?????????? ??? ???????? ????? ?????????????? ? ??????????? pir> ???????. ?? ???????? ???? ???????????? ?????????? ?? ????????. ??? ?????? ????? pir> ???????????? ????????? ? ????, ?????????? ???????? SH ? ????, ????? ?????? ?????? ?????????. ? ???????? ?????. pir> Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 2:48:58 PM, you wrote: pir>> ????????????! pir>> ???? ??????????. ?? ????????? ????????? ??? PI ? AS, ?????????? ?? ????, "?????????" pir>> ?? ??? ????????? ????????????, ??? LIR. ??????????????, ?????????? pir>> ??????? ????? ???????????????? ????????. ? ??????, ??????????? ????? ?? ??? ????? ???????????, ???? ?? ?????????? - ?????????? ?? ???. pir>> ??? ???????? ??????... ???? ? ???, ??? ??? ?????? "?????" ?? ??????????? ??????????. pir>> ????? ??????? ?? ??????, ??? ??? ?? ????? ???????. ??????? ?? pir>> ????????? ??????, ? ?????? ??????? ???? ???????? ?????? ???????? pir>> ???????? ????????! ? ???? ? ????? - ????? ?????? ??? ????????? pir>> ????? ???????? ?????????????????? ?? ?? ????????????? ? ????????? ???????????, ? ?? ?? ???????????? ?????????? ??????? ?????????? RIPE. pir>> 90000 ????? ? ???? ????? ?????? ??? - ???????????! ???? ???? ?????, pir>> ??? end-user ????? ???? AS ? PI-????, ?? ?????????? 100 ???? ?? pir>> end-user-?, ? ?????? (?? ??????? 4000 ???? LIR ?????? ?? LARGE) ??? pir>> 860 ????? end-user! ????????, ??? ?????? ???? ???? ?????? ????????????, ???? ????? ??????? LIR. ?????, ????? ? ???? 1-2, ?? ???? ?? ? RIPE ???????! pir>> ? ?????????, pir>> ??????? ????????? pir>> Ru.iiat pir>> -----Original Message----- pir>> From: regional-russia-admin at ripe.net pir>> [mailto:regional-russia-admin at ripe.net] On Behalf Of Sergey pir>> Myasoedov pir>> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 3:00 PM pir>> To: regional-russia at ripe.net pir>> Subject: [regional-russia] ??????????? ?? General Meeting pir>> ????????? ???????, pir>> ???? ?????????, ??? 7 ??????? ????????? RIPE NCC General Meeting, pir>> ?? ??????? ???????????? ?????, ? ??? ?????, ??????????? ????? ????? ??????????? ????? RIPE NCC. pir>> ???????? ?????????? ?????? ????? Direct Assignment (DA) ???????? ?? pir>> ????????? ????????. ? DA-???????? ????????? ??? PI-assignments pir>> (IPv4/IPv6) ? AS, ???????? ???????? ????????????? ? ?? ?????????? pir>> ?? ?????????? ???????????? ??? "My infrastructure" ? ??????? Independent Resources LIR ???????. pir>> ??? DA ?? ????? ????? ??????????? ????? ????????????????? ?? 50 pir>> ???? ?? ?????? ?????? (inetnum, aut-num, inet6num) ? ????? ???????, ????? ????????? ?????????????? ???? ?? ?????? RIPE NCC. pir>> ??? ???, ??? ??? LIR ?? ??????? DA, ????? ??????????? ?? ????????? pir>> ? ????? ???????? ?? ??????????. ???, ???????, ??????? ?????????? ? pir>> ???????????? ?????. ??????????, ??? ???????? ?????????? ??????-???? pir>> allocated ?????? ? ???????? ?? AS ????????? ????-?? ??????, ?????? pir>> RIPE NCC ????? ?????????? ???????? ????? ? ??????? ???????? pir>> ?????????????? ????????. ??? ???? ????? ????????? ???????? ?? pir>> ??????? LIR ????? ????????? ?? 90'000 ???? ? ??? ?? ????????? RIPE, pir>> ? ?????? RIPE NCC ????????????? ????????????? (150'000-300'000 pir>> ????). ????? ???????? ?? ??????????? ????????, ???, ?????????????. pir>> ??????? ????????, ?? ????? ??????, ????? ????????? ? ??? ?????????????? ????????. ??????? ?????????? ??????? ?????? ??? ??????? 2007-01 ????????? ????????? ????? ???????? ? ??? ????????? ????????? ????. pir>> ? ?????? ?????? ????? ?? ?????????? ? ???????? ?????????? ?????? pir>> ??????????? ????? ????? ???????????. ??? ??????????? ?? ??????????? pir>> ????? ? ???????? ? ???????????????? ?? General Meeting. ?????????? pir>> ???? ??????????? Proxy Voting form, ??????? ????????? ? ????? pir>> ?????? ? ????????? ?? ?? ????? ??????????? ???? LIR. ????? ????? ????????? ??????? ??????????? ???? LIR ????? ?? ??????? LIR contact. pir>> ? ?? General Meeting ??? ? ???? ?? ???? ?????????? ??????? pir>> ?????????? ?????? ??????????? Charging Scheme. ????? ???????, pir>> ????????? ???????????? ????? ???????? ?? ??? ??? - Sergey Myasoedov, ???? ???????? 14.06.1980. pir>> ???????????? ????? ??? ???????? ?????? ?? e-mail ??? ?? ???? pir>> +420227203638 ?? ?????, pir>> 23 ????????, 23:59 ???. pir>> ??????? ?????????? ???????????? ????? ???????? ? ????? ??????. pir>> ? ????? ???????? ?? ????? ??????? ?? ?????? ????. -- Sergey From fabler at mtu.ru Wed Sep 23 14:20:29 2009 From: fabler at mtu.ru (Sergey Budnevitch) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:20:29 +0400 Subject: [regional-russia] Re: =?utf-8?Q?=5Breg?= =?utf-8?B?aW9uYWwtcnVzc2lhXSBSZTogW3JlZ2lvbmFsLXJ1c3NpYV0g0LPQvtC70L4=?= =?utf-8?B?0YHQvtCy0LDQvdC40LUg0L3QsA==?= General Meeting In-Reply-To: <1994105690.20090923113612@devnull.ru> References: <1994105690.20090923113612@devnull.ru> Message-ID: <20090923122028.GA11231@nb> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:36:12AM +0200, Sergey Myasoedov wrote: > ?????? ????! > > ?? ??????? ?????? ????????? CS-2010 ???? ??????? ????????????? - ????????? GM > (http://www.ripe.net/membership/gm/gm-october2009/agenda.html). ??????? ??????? ???? > ??????????? ?? GM. ????????? A ?????? ??????? ??? ??????? ?????? ????????? ? ?50 per DA. > > ?????????? ????? ?? ???????? ???????? ?. ???? ?? ?? ?? ????? ?????? - ????? ????????? > ???????? ??????? B. > > ????? ? ????? "???????????????" - ???? ? ???? ???????????, ??????????. ??????? LIR ? > ?????? ???????? ??, ????? ????, ??? ???????. ?????????? ??? ???? ????????. ?? ????? > ??????? ????????, ???? ?????, ??? ????? DA ? ??? ??? ???????? ???????????? - ?? ??????. ? large ???????? ?? ??????????? ??-?? ???????? ?????????? DA, ?????????? ???????? ?????????? ???????, ??? large LIR'? ? ??????? ?, ??????????????, ????? ? ???????? ????????, ???? ??????. ???????? ?? ? ???? ???????????? ?????? ? ??????. ??, ??? LIR'? ?????? ???????????? ??? ??? ??? end user, ? ??? ???, ? ????????? c end user'?? ???????, ?? ???????? end user ?????? ??????? LIR'? ?? ASN ?/??? PI ????, ??? ???????????? ????. ? ??????? ???????? ???????? ???? ?? ? ??????? - ?? ?? ? ?????-?? ?????????? ?????? ???????? ?? ?????????????, ? ? ????? ?????????? ???? ?????????. ?????????? ??????? ??????? ?? ???????? ????? ???????? ?????? end user'?: ??????? ?? ?????? ?????? ????????? RIPE'?, ??????? ?? ? ??????? ? ??????? ? end user'??. From poty at iiat.ru Wed Sep 23 14:45:47 2009 From: poty at iiat.ru (poty at iiat.ru) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:45:47 +0400 Subject: [regional-russia] =?UTF-8?B?UkU6IFtyZWdpb25hbC1ydXNzaWFdIFJlOiBbcmVnaW8=?= =?UTF-8?B?bmFsLXJ1c3NpYV0gUmU6IFtyZWdpb25hbC1ydXNzaWE=?= =?UTF-8?B?XSDQs9C+0LvQvtGB0L7QstCw0L3QuNC1INC90LAgR2VuZXJhbCBNZWV0aW5n?= Message-ID: ?? ??? ?, ??????? ????????: ?. 7 ?????????? ?????????: "The RIPE NCC Executive Board acknowledges that there are different opinions on the implications of charging for Independent Internet Number Resources. Therefore in the event that the first proposed Charging Scheme (Version A) is not adopted, the RIPE NCC Executive Board provides for an alternative Charging Scheme (Version B) based on the current Charging Scheme 2009. This Charging Scheme (Version B) increases the Service fees such that the total revenue equates the total revenue of the proposed Charging Scheme (Version A)." "If neither resolution is adopted, the existing RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2009 will continue to apply. The billing scores and billing categories will be based on data of 30 September 2009." ??????????? ??? ? ??? ???????? ????? - ??? ????????, ??? ? ? ???????! ????????, ? ?? ?????? ??? ? RIPE ???????????, ? ?? ?? ?????? GM ???????????, ????? ? ?????????, ? ?????. ?? ?????? ????????? ??????. ?? ??? ?? regional meeting ???? ???????????? ????????? ????????? ASN ? IPv4 PI ?????? ??? ??????. ??? ???, ?? ??? ???????, ???????????? ?????????? ??????????? ?? 2008 ??? (???????? ????? 450 PI ?????? ?? ???? + ???? ?????? 500 ASN ?? ????). ?? ??? ????????, ? ??? ? 2007 ???? (?? 2008) ?????? ????? LIR ????????? ????? 200! ? ??????? ???? ??? ???????? (PI) ???? ????????? ?????? ????? ?? ????. ??? ??? ????????? ?? ??????????? ? ????? ???????. ? ?????????, ??????? ????????? -----Original Message----- From: regional-russia-admin at ripe.net [mailto:regional-russia-admin at ripe.net] On Behalf Of Sergey Myasoedov Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:36 PM To: regional-russia at ripe.net Subject: [regional-russia] Re: [regional-russia] Re: [regional-russia] ??????????? ?? General Meeting ?????? ????! ?? ??????? ?????? ????????? CS-2010 ???? ??????? ????????????? - ????????? GM (http://www.ripe.net/membership/gm/gm-october2009/agenda.html). ??????? ??????? ???? ??????????? ?? GM. ????????? A ?????? ??????? ??? ??????? ?????? ????????? ? ?50 per DA. ?????????? ????? ?? ???????? ???????? ?. ???? ?? ?? ?? ????? ?????? - ????? ????????? ???????? ??????? B. ????? ? ????? "???????????????" - ???? ? ???? ???????????, ??????????. ??????? LIR ? ?????? ???????? ??, ????? ????, ??? ???????. ?????????? ??? ???? ????????. ?? ????? ??????? ????????, ???? ?????, ??? ????? DA ? ??? ??? ???????? ???????????? - ?? ??????. Wednesday, September 23, 2009, 9:52:47 AM, you wrote: pir> ??????! ??????????, ??? ????? ????????? (Scenario with Fee per Direct Assignments - pir> ?) ? ?); Scenario with Fee per Direct Assignments; Current Scheme)! ? ?? ????, ?? pir> ??????? ?????? RIPE. ?????????? ???? ?????? ???????? ???????????. ????????, ????? pir> ???????? ?? ??????????, ?? ???????? ?? ????? ?? ??????????, ??? ??? ???? ?????? ???? ?? ?????? ???? ???? ?????! pir> ?? ?????? "????????????????" - ??? ?? ? ???? ????? ?????????? ????? ??????????? pir> ??????????, ?????? ? ???? ?????? - ???? ???????? (???? ???? ?? ????????? ?? ???? ????????). pir> ?? ?????? ????????... ?? ????????? ?? ??????! ?????? ? ???, ????? _??????????_ pir> "?????????" ??????? (??? ?????? ?????? ????? ? ???????? - ?????? ?? ?????). ??? ????? pir> ??????????? ???????????? ?????. ? ?????, ????? ????, ??? ??? ?????????? - ????? pir> ????????? ??? ? ???????????? RIPE ?????, ??? ? ?????? - ?????????. pir> ? ??? ???????????? ???? ????? "??????????? ???????", ???, ?? ????????! ? ???????? pir> ????? ?? ?????????! ??, ??? ?? ????????? - ??? ????????? ????, ?? ??????? ???????? pir> ???? ?? ??????? ????, ??? ??? ?? ???? ????????! ? ??? ?????????? ????? ??????? pir> ??????? ???-?? ???????, ??? ?????, ??? ???????????? ??? ??????? ???? (????????, VPN pir> ????? ??????? ? ????.) - ??? ????? ? ?????????... ????? ???????? ??? ???, ????????? ?? ???? ? ? ????-?????? RIPE. pir> ? ?????????, pir> ??????? ????????? pir> Ru.iiat pir> -----Original Message----- pir> From: regional-russia-admin at ripe.net [mailto:regional-russia-admin at ripe.net] On Behalf Of Sergey Myasoedov pir> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 5:01 PM pir> To: regional-russia at ripe.net pir> Subject: [regional-russia] Re: [regional-russia] ??????????? ?? General Meeting pir> ?????????, pir> ???????????? ???????????, ??? ?? ?? ???????? ??????????? Jochem de Ruig. ?? ?????? ?????? ? ?? ???????. pir> ??????????? ????? ??????????? ?????? ?? ????? ???????????? ?????. ??????????, ??? pir> ?????????? ??????????? ???????, ????????? ?? GM. ?????? "?????????" ???? "?? ?????????". pir> ?????????? ??????? LIR - ??, ??????, ?? ???? ?? ????????????? ???????? ?????? pir> ?????????????. ??????????????? ??????????? ??????????? DA ? ?????? ?? Extra pir> Large/Large ? ?????? http://ripe.net/membership/indices/RU.html pir> ? ???? ???? ? ??????????? ?????? ????????. ??, ? ????????? ? ???, ??? ???????? pir> ??????? ????????, ?? ???? ?????????? ???????? ??? ?????? ????????? ????????, ??? ? pir> RIPE NCC ????????? ????? ?? ????????? ??????. ???-??? ?????? ???????? ? pir> ?????????????? ???? ?????????? ??? ???????? ????? ?????????????? ? ??????????? pir> ???????. ?? ???????? ???? ???????????? ?????????? ?? ????????. ??? ?????? ????? pir> ???????????? ????????? ? ????, ?????????? ???????? SH ? ????, ????? ?????? ?????? ?????????. ? ???????? ?????. pir> Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 2:48:58 PM, you wrote: pir>> ????????????! pir>> ???? ??????????. ?? ????????? ????????? ??? PI ? AS, ?????????? ?? ????, "?????????" pir>> ?? ??? ????????? ????????????, ??? LIR. ??????????????, ?????????? pir>> ??????? ????? ???????????????? ????????. ? ??????, ??????????? ????? ?? ??? ????? ???????????, ???? ?? ?????????? - ?????????? ?? ???. pir>> ??? ???????? ??????... ???? ? ???, ??? ??? ?????? "?????" ?? ??????????? ??????????. pir>> ????? ??????? ?? ??????, ??? ??? ?? ????? ???????. ??????? ?? pir>> ????????? ??????, ? ?????? ??????? ???? ???????? ?????? ???????? pir>> ???????? ????????! ? ???? ? ????? - ????? ?????? ??? ????????? pir>> ????? ???????? ?????????????????? ?? ?? ????????????? ? ????????? ???????????, ? ?? ?? ???????????? ?????????? ??????? ?????????? RIPE. pir>> 90000 ????? ? ???? ????? ?????? ??? - ???????????! ???? ???? ?????, pir>> ??? end-user ????? ???? AS ? PI-????, ?? ?????????? 100 ???? ?? pir>> end-user-?, ? ?????? (?? ??????? 4000 ???? LIR ?????? ?? LARGE) ??? pir>> 860 ????? end-user! ????????, ??? ?????? ???? ???? ?????? ????????????, ???? ????? ??????? LIR. ?????, ????? ? ???? 1-2, ?? ???? ?? ? RIPE ???????! pir>> ? ?????????, pir>> ??????? ????????? pir>> Ru.iiat pir>> -----Original Message----- pir>> From: regional-russia-admin at ripe.net pir>> [mailto:regional-russia-admin at ripe.net] On Behalf Of Sergey pir>> Myasoedov pir>> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 3:00 PM pir>> To: regional-russia at ripe.net pir>> Subject: [regional-russia] ??????????? ?? General Meeting pir>> ????????? ???????, pir>> ???? ?????????, ??? 7 ??????? ????????? RIPE NCC General Meeting, pir>> ?? ??????? ???????????? ?????, ? ??? ?????, ??????????? ????? ????? ??????????? ????? RIPE NCC. pir>> ???????? ?????????? ?????? ????? Direct Assignment (DA) ???????? ?? pir>> ????????? ????????. ? DA-???????? ????????? ??? PI-assignments pir>> (IPv4/IPv6) ? AS, ???????? ???????? ????????????? ? ?? ?????????? pir>> ?? ?????????? ???????????? ??? "My infrastructure" ? ??????? Independent Resources LIR ???????. pir>> ??? DA ?? ????? ????? ??????????? ????? ????????????????? ?? 50 pir>> ???? ?? ?????? ?????? 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Charging Scheme. ????? ???????, pir>> ????????? ???????????? ????? ???????? ?? ??? ??? - Sergey Myasoedov, ???? ???????? 14.06.1980. pir>> ???????????? ????? ??? ???????? ?????? ?? e-mail ??? ?? ???? pir>> +420227203638 ?? ?????, pir>> 23 ????????, 23:59 ???. pir>> ??????? ?????????? ???????????? ????? ???????? ? ????? ??????. pir>> ? ????? ???????? ?? ????? ??????? ?? ?????? ????. -- Sergey From ml at os2.kiev.ua Wed Sep 23 14:29:14 2009 From: ml at os2.kiev.ua (Alex Samorukov) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 14:29:14 +0200 Subject: [regional-russia] =?UTF-8?B?UmU6IFtyZWdpb25hbC1ydXNzaWFdIFJlOiBbcmVnaW9uYWwtcnVzc2k=?= =?UTF-8?B?YV0gUmU6IFtyZWdpb25hbC1ydXNzaWFdINCz0L7Qu9C+0YHQvtCy0LDQvdC40LU=?= =?UTF-8?B?INC90LAgR2VuZXJhbCBNZWV0aW5n?= In-Reply-To: <20090923122028.GA11231@nb> References: <1994105690.20090923113612@devnull.ru> <20090923122028.GA11231@nb> Message-ID: <4ABA149A.3000406@os2.kiev.ua> Sergey Budnevitch wrote: > ? large ???????? ?? ??????????? ??-?? ???????? ?????????? 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From noreply at ripe.net Mon Sep 28 12:04:15 2009 From: noreply at ripe.net (Nigel Titley) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 12:04:15 +0200 Subject: [regional-russia] Executive Board Decisions for RIPE NCC General Meeting October 2009 Message-ID: <4AC08A1F.7020509@ripe.net> Dear Colleagues, Following discussions at the May 2009 General Meeting and on various mailing lists, I would like to inform you of the decisions the Executive Board has made and the proposed resolutions for the October General Meeting regarding: - The Proposed Charging Scheme 2010 - Voting for elections of Executive Board members The proposed Charging Scheme 2010 ------------------------------------------------ The Executive Board proposes to follow the principle of RIPE policy 2007-01, "Direct Internet Resource Assignments to End Users from the RIPE NCC". The proposed Charging Scheme (Version A) includes a fixed fee per independent Internet number resource assignment. However, the RIPE NCC Executive Board notes that there are different opinions on the implications of charging for independent Internet number resources. Therefore, in the event that the proposed Charging Scheme (Version A) is not adopted, the RIPE NCC Executive Board provides for an alternative Charging Scheme (Version B) based on the current Charging Scheme 2009. Version B increases the service fees such that the total revenue generated would equate to the total revenue generated by Version A. The Executive Board would like to stress the importance it attaches to the RIPE NCC continuing to adhere to RIPE policies developed and agreed by the RIPE community. We feel that the alternatives outlined above meet this requirement. Voting for elections of Executive Board members -------------------------------------------------------------- The Executive Board acknowledges the strong interest from RIPE NCC members in being able to vote via electronic means. The Executive Board proposes allowing for electronic voting but initially only for the elections of Executive Board members. The electronic voting will take place at the same time as the on-site voting during the alloted time in the General Meeting, which will in future be webcast. This will allow all members to try out the new procedure and system, and it will provide all of us with information on whether this increases the participation of members. In the future, if a successful system is established, we will extend electronic voting to other resolutions. The agenda for the General Meeting, including links to the supporting documentation, is available at: http://www.ripe.net/membership/gm/gm-october2009/agenda.html Best regards, Nigel Titley Chairman of the RIPE NCC Executive Board