[ncc-services-wg] Regarding information manipulation, regarding the situation with the transfer of IP addresses on the territory of Ukraine.

FAP_IMC <fap at fap.com.ua> wrote:

> Cyber attacks are constantly taking place on enterprises of our
> critical infrastructure, our information space is overflowing with
> Russian propaganda and phishing scammers who are trying to extort the
> last money from the citizens of Ukraine.

Of course, and the government of Ukraine does not overflow its own
citizens with propaganda at all.

> At one time, the operators themselves proposed to block all AS of
> Russian operators.

Fake, only total garbage would propose such a thing. What happened is
that the government threatened those who would not comply with the
demands.

Someone who runs a network and propose such a thing is either :

  1. An incompetent
  2. A crook
  3. Both of the above

> This is a separate topic for discussion, but the information domen RU
> that affected the citizens of our country has practically disappeared
> from the Internet space of Ukraine.

Please explain how a domain name "affects" the citizens of Ukraine?

If citizens of Ukraine prefer to read/watch/retrieve/seek Kremlin
propaganda over Ukrainian propaganda, or actually want both, it is their
absolute right, and you have ZERO right to interfere with that and
impose your diktat.

> we already have cases when IP addresses, in the occupied territories
> of Ukraine, which are routed in the networks of Ukrainian operators,
> begin to be re-issued to other companies.

If it has already happened, then you can give us a concrete example.

> I don't know why a person who escaped from a country where Russian
> missiles or Iranian drones fly every day is trying to deceive the
> RIPE NCC community.

Perhaps you forget to mention that Free and Democratic Ukraine forbids
its male citizens from leaving the country and that perhaps, there are
quite a few people who would not like to be trapped there.

Perhaps you also forget to mention that Mr. Tulyev has been repeatedly
threatened by the government of Ukraine. And for what reason? For
providing free and unrestricted Internet access!

> They are trying to accuse me of some kind of financial schemes.

There is no accusation there. We're demonstrating that:

  - The proposed solution will not achieve the stated purpose.
  - The proposed solution can be used for malicious purposes.
  - The Ukrainian government is not to be trusted.

> I am sure that RIPE NCC will listen to the position of the public,
> namely those companies of residents of Ukraine that work on the
> territory of Ukraine.

Correct, and what will you do when you are upset because the outcome is
not in your favor? Label them as terrorists and Kremlin collaborators?

> Currently, rules are being developed for state institutions using IP
> addresses, but so far only for state institutions.

For as long as you keep your rules to yourself and ukrnadzor fans and
leave real ISPs alone, that's fine by me.


Also, those who whine about the IPv4 brokering business and yet have
zero IPv6 connectivity, please let me laugh.