[ncc-services-wg] Regarding information manipulation, regarding the situation with the transfer of IP addresses on the territory of Ukraine.

Hi everyone,

In fact, as Artem and Maxim Tulyev said, the threat of physical violence may exist.

I would like to show you communication history in the Ukrainian Telecommunication community which is called "Telecom Ukraine" ( Of course these messages have already been deleted. But we have a grateful option - screenshot.)

Here is the screenshot

Let me translate what's going on in this screenshot.

That's what Alexandr Glushchenko said:
RIPE is "an apolitical" organization, but for the money. When the Russians will be shelling Amsterdam, I want to believe in the permanence of their course.

And that's what Olexandr Fedienko replied to his message:
"I am already looking forward to it"

Oleksandr Fedienko is a people's deputy of Ukraine, member of the Committee of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine.
Alexandr Glushchenko is a former Ukrainian Internet Association board member.

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------- Original Message -------
On Tuesday, November 1st, 2022 at 4:56 PM, Max Tulyev maxtul at netassist.ua wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> 01.11.22 08:13, FAP_IMC пише:
>
>> Здравствуйте, .
>
> The Great Patriot begins his speech in Russian. Nice.
>
>> Dear colleagues, my name is Oleksandr Fedienko.
>> I think it's not every day that parliamentarians write to you here, but considering that recently I have been mentioned quite often in correspondence, I want to write something from myself.
>>
>> A little about myself, I started working for an internet company around 1993 and have worked in the digital communications industry all my life.
>> I have personally built many Internet companies, am a certified expert in cyber security, OSINT, have four higher education degrees, and now have a master's degree in law.
>>
>> For five years in a row, he was elected to the Internet Association of Ukraine, becoming the chairman of the board, and defending the interests of our industry.
>> This is so that you, dear community, have an idea about my competence.
>
> I agree you have deep professional knowledge. That's true. And that's
> really scare me because of the way you use this knowledge.
>
> You was the author or the notorious law draft about the IMEI database,
> which forces mobile operators to stop serving mobile devices does not
> listed in your database. All the market was against it, and it was very
> difficult for us to stop it.
>
> You was the author of the first draft of the law for electronic
> communications. Of course, your lovely IMEI registry was included there,
> as well as obliging ISPs to install the government-controlled devices
> for censorship and surveillance (same as Russia has SORM-3 and TSPU).
> And in general to expand ancient, bureaucratic and bribery-based telco
> regulatory to the Internet. A huge work was done by InAU and other NGOs
> to clean that shit out. Now you are trying to return it back to that law
> step by step by amendments, as during the war time it is very difficult
> to work for NGOs and human right activists in Ukraine.
>
> Also you forget to mention your third new education you got after
> elected to the parliament. You are really excellent in it. You are
> master of lie, disinformation and manipulation. I will show some good
> examples below.
>
>> Unfortunately, in addition to the fact that we need to take care of the security of our cyberspace, we already have cases when IP addresses, in the occupied territories of Ukraine, which are routed in the networks of Ukrainian operators, begin to be re-issued to other companies.
>
> Yes. There are transfers from the territory in distress. But there are
> NO FACTS of ANY forced transfer. This is your manipulation.
>
>> I would like to draw your attention to the fact that we expect that there may also be a military intervention from the side of Belarus, so the transfer blocking mechanisms IP adress should be in place throughout Ukraine.
>
> Manipulation. Yes, we afraid of intervention from Belarus. But there is
> NO LOGICAL LINK, nothing to do with "so the transfer blocking mechanisms
> IP adress should be in place throughout Ukraine". You try to make a
> EMOTIONAL link between these two sentences and let it change the logical
> link. Like in media manipulation handbooks, yes?
>
>> I want to draw attention to the instructions for bots that Mr. Maksym is currently promoting, which is used to form the opinion of a supposedly community from Ukraine. And also on the not quite modern mechanism of digital information exchange on the platform of RIPE NCC.
>
> Lie. These people are not bots. These are real IP resource holders (it
> can be easily checked by NCC staff with e-mails) that I woke up. They
> are scare now, and write what they are afraid of.
>
> And of course, I will try to wake up more people whom you try to rob.
>
> Meanwhile, as we can see, your bots can only do a cut and paste.
>
>> I hope that until RIPE NCC implements a secure transfer of IP addresses, all transfers on the territory of Ukraine will be closed.
>
> Manipulation. RIPE NCC due diligence is secure enough now. There was no
> evidences for any forced transfer inside Ukraine. And for 1000% sure it
> is not a common situation that is too serious to close all Ukrainian
> transfers.
>
> And for the last, I will remind your behavior, such as the style of your
> language and public treats as we found out not only to me. I don't know
> was it enough to be a crime in Europe, but for sure in any European
> country you will be kicked out with disgrace from the parliament just
> next day.
>
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