[ncc-services-wg] Update on Measures to Protect Ukrainian Networks

A small note of how RIPE NCC listens to the community


As we can read in working groups by name "Crimea papers ", created in 2014

  WE beged RIPE NCC not to allow russians to take companies,
  we awared you that this escalation would come further

What was the position on that topic?

Let see some words:



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The initial question was "will RIPE NCC hand resources to a LIR in
Crimea, based on Russian papers" and the clear answer is "if said
papers establish the existence of the LIR and substantiate the LIR's
claims, yes".   Richard Hartmann

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I do not like civil wars, wars or similar events, however, shell we punish
LIRs because they work in an area of conflict?

Defnitely not.

Shall we punish the end users?

Definitely not.

Turchanyi Geza

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That were the words, representing the position of RIPE NCC since 2014


So what changed?

The war is the same.


But now you are punishing end users))) End users of Ukraine.
  but still not russians , who are actually invaders.

Best regards, Kseniia


20.12.2022 12:20, Max Tulyev пишет:
> We know you are good in manipulations. But please, stop it.
> 
> It is not your resources. It is not your money. So it is none of your 
> business what to do with these transfers.
> 
> 20.12.22 08:33, Олена Кушнір пише:
>> Good morning, Dear Colleagues
>>
>> It seems we have been forced to miss such heated discussions.
>> Forgive us, the UKRAINIAN community, because drones or missiles fall 
>> on us every day, there is no heat, water, and it is not always 
>> possible to even read all the work mail. But we continue to provide 
>> free Internet connection even in heating points, with concern for 
>> indomitable Ukrainians in different parts of the country (small video 
>> and photos in attach)
>> I apologize for the slow response.
>> It is difficult for me to imagine what business interests we hurt when 
>> we raised the issue of protecting our IP resources that we do not use 
>> for resale and enrichment. A whole army of people/companies appeared 
>> that have nothing to do with operator activity in Ukraine. And a 
>> well-fed person abroad will never understand a hungry person who is 
>> trying to survive. Because we think every day where to get diesel and 
>> the required number of generators. But analyzing the endless attack 
>> and terror with an endless number of letters, I understand that we are 
>> definitely on the right path.
>>
>> It has gone so far that someone here even allows themselves to fire 
>> the board members of RIPE NCC
>> In any case, the topic we raised at the conference did not leave 
>> anyone indifferent, because the topic is very important. And surely 
>> the machinations will not pass easily.
>> I thank Petter Hans, Athena and each of the board members for your 
>> work. Thank you for the open dialogue. You are incredible and have 
>> nerves of steel. You had to read hundreds of letters with quarrels.
>> Unfortunately, for the sake of money, people lose face and cross 
>> forbidden red lines.
>>
>> Thanks to Sander Steffann and the guys from the Keep Ukraine Connected 
>> - Global NOG Alliance project for supporting Ukraine - I want to 
>> emphasize that YOU are our guardian angels! Many operators were able 
>> to resume work in the liberated territories thanks to you. We are in 
>> an inestimable debt to everyone who helps.
>>
>> Thank you everyone. Hugs
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________
>> Best regards,
>> Olena Kushnir
>>
>> www.webpro.ua <http://www.webpro.ua>
>>
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>> _______________
>> Best regards,
>> Olena Kushnir
>>
>> www.webpro.ua <http://www.webpro.ua>
>>
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>>> 19 груд. 2022 р. о 15:30 Sander Steffann <sander at steffann.nl 
>>> <mailto:sander at steffann.nl>> написав(ла):
>>>
>>> Hi Hans Petter,
>>>
>>>> After discussions with our Executive Board, we are now ready to 
>>>> begin implementation of a ‘voluntary registry lock’ in the LIR 
>>>> Portal. This will be available for all RIPE NCC members, including 
>>>> those in Ukraine, on an opt-in basis. The lock will allow members to 
>>>> prevent their resources from being transferred for a defined period. 
>>>> We expect technical implementation to be completed before the end of 
>>>> the year.
>>>
>>> Awesome! Thank you and the board for getting this difficult step done.
>>>
>>>> The Board made this resolution taking into account:
>>>> - The concerns expressed by Ukrainian members at the RIPE 85 Meeting 
>>>> in October 2022
>>>> - The RIPE NCC’s commitment to be neutral and impartial
>>>> - The time needed for the formation of a permanent solution 
>>>> addressing these concerns through the Policy Development Process (PDP)
>>>> - The RIPE community’s support to accommodate a temporary solution
>>>
>>> +1 much appreciated!
>>>
>>>> This resolution comes with an expiry date of 1 July 2023. We hope 
>>>> that the RIPE community will use this time to agree on a policy 
>>>> proposal that gives us a clear mandate to provide this lock as a 
>>>> lasting solution to all members who see the need for it. Our Policy 
>>>> Officer is available to offer guidance and administrative support to 
>>>> get the proposal through the RIPE Policy Development Process.
>>>
>>> After making so much noise I feel I should volunteer here :)
>>>
>>>> From comments at RIPE 85, we understand that some people do not 
>>>> think this should be a policy matter. However, as we explained at 
>>>> that meeting, the RIPE NCC cannot limit the transfer rights of 
>>>> paying members without either a solid legal basis or a clear mandate 
>>>> from the RIPE community.
>>>
>>> I still think that limiting an LIR based on their own request 
>>> shouldn’t be a problem, but ok, let’s work together on this and get a 
>>> policy.
>>>
>>>> It is in this context that we must note that the lock will not 
>>>> prevent resources from being transferred in cases of merger or 
>>>> acquisition. It will also not prevent transfers in cases where a 
>>>> bankrupt company goes into liquidation.
>>>
>>> Sensible limitations, I have no problem with them.
>>>
>>>> Finally, in my last email, I said that requests from Ukraine would 
>>>> receive the ‘highest levels of due diligence’, and I want to explain 
>>>> what this means. In recent years, we have developed a framework that 
>>>> describes what information our staff will ask for when handling 
>>>> requests. By applying the strongest approach within this framework, 
>>>> we will be going beyond our standard requirements and asking to 
>>>> verify additional documents. With the passing of this resolution, 
>>>> transfers will follow the process outlined here and will not be 
>>>> escalated to the Managing Director for approval.
>>>
>>> Sounds good, you shouldn’t need to involve yourself in the workflow. 
>>> You have very experienced staff for that :)
>>>
>>>> We hope that our Ukrainian members will understand that this is part 
>>>> of our efforts to protect their resources.
>>>>
>>>> As mentioned above, we will share more specific information on the 
>>>> registry lock before the end of the year – including how it can be 
>>>> activated and by whom, and what it does and does not restrict.
>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>> Sander
>>>
>>>
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З повагою, Ксенія Сокол