[ncc-services-wg] Fw: New on RIPE Labs: RIPE NCC and the Cloud - Let???s Start Again
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Hank Nussbacher
hank at interall.co.il
Wed Jun 23 19:09:51 CEST 2021
On 23/06/2021 19:31, denis walker wrote: Gert and Denis, +1! -Hank > Colleagues > > Gert put it very simply, I like to elaborate. What is the driving > force behind this proposal? Is something broken? Has the RIPE NCC > reached it's limit of capabilities in some area? For decades the RIPE > NCC has provided the RIPE Database service to an exceptionally high > standard. They have managed the whole system, it's design, software, > engineering infrastructure, 24/7 operation, security. They have an > excellent record of uptime for both updates and queries. They have > built in resilience that has never yet failed beyond small incidents. > They not only have significant levels of in-house experience and > knowledge, but there are so many previous engineers still around > within the community whose past experience and knowledge the NCC can > draw on. It seems they now want to take a, potentially, irreversible > step in a new direction. Sometimes that can be a breath of fresh air > and breathe new life into a stagnant system. Or it can be the death of > a previously successful service. So as Gert asked, what is the > compelling reason for taking this step? Is something likely to break > if this step is not taken soon? > > As someone else remarked, what happens if the new cloud service 'goes > down'? Or if data is hacked or non-public data is leaked? Is the risk > of resource hijacking affected in any way when this data is outside of > the RIPE NCC and resource holders control? If the current high > standard of service falls, what will the RIPE NCC's response be? Are > we going to get that "Sorry but it is outside of our control, please > contact the cloud provider" answer? Have all of these (and maybe > other) questions been considered and answered in the proposal and > impact analyses? > > Has any cost benefit analysis been done in terms of financial, human > and reputational costs? > > (btw I personally am not for or against the proposal...I am just a > good devil's advocate and like to help people see things from > different perspectives) > > cheers > denis > co-chair DB-WG > >> From: Gert Doering <gert at space.net> >> To: Alun Davies <adavies at ripe.net> >> Cc: "ncc-services-wg at ripe.net" <ncc-services-wg at ripe.net> >> Sent: Monday, 21 June 2021, 18:17:38 CEST >> Subject: Re: [ncc-services-wg] New on RIPE Labs: RIPE NCC and the Cloud - Let???s Start Again >> >> Hi, >> >> On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 11:13:33AM +0200, Alun Davies wrote: >>> https://labs.ripe.net/author/felipe_victolla_silveira/ripe-ncc-and-the-cloud-lets-start-again/ >> >> >> Is it just me or is this a somewhat reactive article that still does not >> cover the >> >> "what does the NCC want to achieve with 'going to the cloud'" >> >> bit? >> >> Just because it's en vogue doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. >> >> >> (And given that the glorious example of outsourcing the NCC ticket >> system has *still* not led to an acceptable user experience...) >> >> Gert Doering >> -- LIR contact >> -- >> have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? >> >> SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer >> Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann >> D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) >> Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279 >> >
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