[ncc-services-wg] @EXT2: RE: 2018-05 New Policy Proposal (Publication of Legal Address of Internet Number Resource Holder)

Hi Sara, 

Thanks for your presentation on Wed. Looking forward to reading your revised proposal after feedback during RIPE77. You rightly requested wider community participation on the mailing list, and here's my input. 

I prefer to consider publishing org registration numbers. Business legal addresses can be then acquired from the local chamber of commerce or in Whois org objects. But I'm still unsure who exactly are you targeting? 

1. The LIRs and PI resource holders, the top-level IP resource holders 
Legal address is already present in the RIPE Whois for IP resources distributed by the RIPE NCC via the 'org' object. Org reg number should replace this or be published in addition? Is there a real benefit? 
[Legacy and out-of-region IP resources holders are separate cases for discussion] 

2. Static IP Business consumers under top-level IP resources 
I am more open to consider this. It would theoretically improve the accuracy of the database to the benefit network operators, LEAs and more but reliability maintenance would be a real challenge. 
We would need to see some cost-benefit analysis to justify the time, effort and financial expense to the community. 

3. Residential/home IP user's personal info 
This is absolutely not feasible (not to mention unlawful?) because they are predominantly dynamic. End users of individual IP addresses change daily in huge volumes. 

Finally and independent of this policy proposal, I would like to echo Hans Petter's commendable message on Wed - the RIPE community is responsible for the state of the RIPE Whois database. If it is a mess, shouldn't we at least discuss how we could improve its common usefulness?

It would be nice if the more vocal community members lead by example in this respect rather than throwing our underloved Whois baby out with the bathwater. 


Regards, 
James 


-----Original Message-----
From: ncc-services-wg [mailto:ncc-services-wg-bounces at ripe.net] On Behalf Of Marco Schmidt
Sent: 27 September 2018 15:11
To: ncc-services-wg at ripe.net
Subject: [ncc-services-wg] 2018-05 New Policy Proposal (Publication of Legal Address of Internet Number Resource Holder)

Dear colleagues,

A new RIPE Policy proposal, 2018-05, "Publication of Legal Address of Internet Number Resource Holder", is now available for discussion.

The goal of the proposal is for the RIPE NCC to publish the validated legal address information of holders of Internet number resources.

You can find the full proposal at:
https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies/proposals/2018-05

As per the RIPE Policy Development Process (PDP), the purpose of this four-week Discussion Phase is to discuss the proposal and provide feedback to the proposer.

At the end of the Discussion Phase, the proposer, with the agreement of the RIPE Working Group Chairs, decides how to proceed with the proposal.

We encourage you to review this proposal and send your comments to <ncc-services-wg at ripe.net> before 26 October 2018.

Kind regards,

Marco Schmidt
Policy Officer
RIPE NCC 

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