[ncc-services-wg] New RIPE NCC Procedural Document Available

Hi Hank,

it seems that you can make a proposal because there is no clear procedure for such
scenarios.

At the moment I can not see what resources were marked as my end user or not, due to
disabled functionality of LIR portal.



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Sergey

Monday, June 28, 2010, 5:10:01 PM, you wrote:

HN> At 16:53 16/07/2009 +0200, Andrea Cima wrote:

>>[Apologies for duplicate emails]
>>
>>Dear Colleagues,
>>
>>The RIPE NCC has published a new RIPE NCC procedural document:
>>ripe-475, "Independent Internet Number Resources ­ Contractual
>>Relationship Changes between sponsoring LIR and End User"
>>
>>This document describes the steps to be taken when there are changes in
>>the contractual relationship between the End User of independent
>>Internet number resources and the sponsoring Local Internet Registry
>>(LIR). It also describes the scenarios in which the RIPE NCC may
>>de-register independent Internet number resources and what happens to
>>those resources once they are de-registered.
>>
>>The new document is available at:
>>http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-475.html

HN> I'd like to once again raise this issue which I did a year ago and did not 
HN> get sufficient answers.  Here are two scenerios that are happening:

HN> - scenerio 1: I have marked a resource as "not my end user", yet RIPE 
HN> responds as follows when I request that they move the resource from my LIR 
HN> to the new sponsoring LIR:
HN> "We haven't received any documentation yet.
HN> Please inform the End User of ASxxxxx to ask from their new LIR to
HN> submit the transfer request in a new ticket in
HN> enduser-contract at ripe.net."
HN> I think after a year and about a dozen emails to the old user and the new 
HN> sponsoring LIR I have gone beyond my responsibility on this matter.  What 
HN> does RIPE intend to do with those resources that the new sponsoring LIR or 
HN> the end user just can't be bothered to do the registration change?  If I 
HN> mark a resource as "not my end user", why are they asking "please inform 
HN> the end user..."

HN> - scenerio 2: I have marked a resource as "not my end user" and have heard 
HN> from the end user that they have walked away from the resource.  I have 
HN> requested that RIPE delete this resource yet the answer I get from RIPE is
HN> "We did not receive any reply from the End User, so we
HN> can not return ASxxxx to the free pool without their confirmation.
HN> We will send another reminder to the End User."
HN> The end user will never respond since they no longer exist or don't care to 
HN> respond.  At what point will RIPE reclaim the resource?

HN> I think there should be clear written procedures for these cases.

HN> Regards,
HN> Hank