From flor at ripe.net Wed Nov 5 14:50:37 2008 From: flor at ripe.net (Flor Paredes) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 14:50:37 +0100 Subject: Fwd: [ncc-services-wg] The new charging sceme In-Reply-To: <27657D35-75AF-411E-8641-CBC559B99C3E@ripe.net> References: <490AD81E.2090608@ukraine.su> <27657D35-75AF-411E-8641-CBC559B99C3E@ripe.net> Message-ID: <4911A4AD.8030807@ripe.net> Dear Max, Indeed in the new Charging Scheme 2009 all assigned Internet Number Resources, IPv4 PI, ASNs and IPv6 PI are taken into account for each members billing score to determine the billing category for that member. In the coming months the RIPE NCC will develop processes and procedures to facilitate the implementation of the new policy 2007-01. This will enable us to support members to contact and update the registration of these resources. Please be reassured that the RIPE NCC will fully support its members and will try to minimize the operational impact of this policy change. Regards, Flor Paredes Registration Services Manager RIPE NCC > > >> From: Max Tulyev >> Date: October 31, 2008 11:04:14 GMT+01:00 >> To: ncc-services-wg at ripe.net >> Subject: [ncc-services-wg] The new charging sceme >> >> Hi all, >> >> I see http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/charging2009.html is adopted, and >> charging for ancient resources such as PI and AS for third-parties is >> resurrected. >> >> So it means I have to find these guys and say hey, RIPE billing scheme >> is changed, so I want some money and a permanent agreement. >> >> But! As I pass them their mntners, I can't enforce them to do anything. >> How can I enforce them to sign an agreement and pay money? >> >> --WBR, >> Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) >> > > Best regards, > > Alex Le Heux > RIPE NCC IP Resource Analyst > > From president at ukraine.su Wed Nov 5 19:47:22 2008 From: president at ukraine.su (Max Tulyev) Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 20:47:22 +0200 Subject: Fwd: [ncc-services-wg] The new charging sceme In-Reply-To: <4911A4AD.8030807@ripe.net> References: <490AD81E.2090608@ukraine.su> <27657D35-75AF-411E-8641-CBC559B99C3E@ripe.net> <4911A4AD.8030807@ripe.net> Message-ID: <4911EA3A.3040603@ukraine.su> Only I can't understand - we need to pay now, and may be got money back from users some time later! P.S. It is not exactly about our LIR - it is Extra Large, and it doesn't mater really how much scoring we are. But for lot of mine friends that unexpectedly jumped to Medium and Large, and can't do anything with that - it really matters. And only they will do - close their registries and open it again as new and extra small. Why not to prepare all things BEFORE changes was made? Flor Paredes wrote: > Dear Max, > > Indeed in the new Charging Scheme 2009 all assigned Internet Number > Resources, IPv4 PI, ASNs and IPv6 PI are taken into account for each > members billing score to determine the billing category for that member. > > In the coming months the RIPE NCC will develop processes and procedures > to facilitate the implementation of the new policy 2007-01. This will > enable us to support members to contact and update the registration of > these resources. > > Please be reassured that the RIPE NCC will fully support its members and > will try to minimize the operational impact of this policy change. > > Regards, > Flor Paredes > > Registration Services Manager > RIPE NCC >> >>> From: Max Tulyev >>> Date: October 31, 2008 11:04:14 GMT+01:00 >>> To: ncc-services-wg at ripe.net >>> Subject: [ncc-services-wg] The new charging sceme >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I see http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/charging2009.html is adopted, and >>> charging for ancient resources such as PI and AS for third-parties is >>> resurrected. >>> >>> So it means I have to find these guys and say hey, RIPE billing scheme >>> is changed, so I want some money and a permanent agreement. >>> >>> But! As I pass them their mntners, I can't enforce them to do anything. >>> How can I enforce them to sign an agreement and pay money? >>> >>> --WBR, >>> Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) >>> >> Best regards, >> >> Alex Le Heux >> RIPE NCC IP Resource Analyst >> >> > -- WBR, Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253 at FIDO) From andrewh at ripe.net Mon Nov 10 14:42:26 2008 From: andrewh at ripe.net (Andrew de la Haye) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:42:26 +0100 Subject: [ncc-services-wg] RIPE NCC statement on changes in the RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2009 Message-ID: <4F3834C6-0171-4FA8-825E-92DF643981CA@ripe.net> [Apologies for duplicates] Dear Colleagues, Recent conversations on the RIPE mailing lists and at the recent RIPE NCC General Meeting have highlighted a number of concerns from members concerning the RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2009. These concerns refer particularly to the changes laid out in RIPE Policy Proposal 2007-01, relating to charges for Direct End User (PI and ASN) assignments. More information on this proposal can be found at: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2007-01.html There are three areas in which we believe clarification of the RIPE NCC position would be useful. Area 1: Service Fees -------------------- In drafting the RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2009, the RIPE NCC Board has made it a priority that the necessary changes have minimal impact on the fees paid by RIPE NCC members. The changes will affect a relatively small number of LIRs who have requested many Direct End User assignments. The Direct End User assignments will now be included in the LIR's total score for the sole purpose of calculating the LIR's billing category, and in a few cases this will mean that the LIR moves up a category (for instance, from Medium to Large). Approximately 80% of RIPE NCC members have Direct End User assigments that are taken into account for their billing score. The likelihood that an LIR will move to a higher billing category is offset, however, by the fact that the new Charging Scheme increases the upper limits of each billing category. This means that the addition of Direct End User assignments to an LIR's total score in most cases does not result in an increase in the LIR's billing category. Area 2: Processes and procedures -------------------------------- In the coming months, the RIPE NCC will develop processes and procedures to facilitate the implementation of these policy changes. This will enable us to support members to contact and update the registration of these resources. The changes will be implemented in two phases: - Phase one will involve the implementation of the new policy in relation to all new requests for PI assignments. This will happen in the first quarter of 2009. - Phase two will be to apply the new policy to existing PI assignments, or those made before the adoption of Policy Proposal 2007-01. A plan for implementation of this phase will be presented at the next RIPE NCC Services Working Group, will be held at the RIPE 58 Meeting in Amsterdam, May 2009. Area 3: Changes to future Charging Scheme ----------------------------------------- The RIPE NCC Charging Scheme is agreed on each year by the membership of the RIPE NCC. All LIRs are encouraged to participate in discussion of the Charging Scheme, and to raise any issues that they feel are important to them or the membership as a whole. These discussions can take place during the RIPE NCC General Meetings, which are held twice a year, adjacent to RIPE Meetings, or on the RIPE NCC Services Working Group mailing list: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/wg/ncc-services/index.html If you have any further questions about any of these issues, you can contact RIPE NCC staff for further information at . Regards, Andrew de la Haye Chief Operations Officer, RIPE NCC -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Woeber at CC.UniVie.ac.at Tue Nov 18 09:45:53 2008 From: Woeber at CC.UniVie.ac.at (Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:45:53 +0000 Subject: [ncc-services-wg] reverseDNS problem alerts - to be discussed in "Services" or "DNS" WG Message-ID: <492280C1.6090607@CC.UniVie.ac.at> Dear all, I am following up internally on a couple of (minor) issues related to reverse DNS configuration mechanisms. Amongst others I am looking for clarification regarding: - misleading(?) text in alert messsages, related to IPv6 - selection of master server to transfer zones from - loose ends in config automation for legacy address space What is the appropriate list or WG to raise these issues - the NCC-Services WG or the DNS WG? Thanks, Wilfried PS: I could certainly take this up privately with the NCC's staff, but I guess some of these aspects might be of interest to the community, too. From anandb at ripe.net Wed Nov 19 17:03:34 2008 From: anandb at ripe.net (Anand Buddhdev) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:03:34 +0100 Subject: [ncc-services-wg] Re: reverseDNS problem alerts - to be discussed in "Services" or "DNS" WG In-Reply-To: <492280C1.6090607@CC.UniVie.ac.at> References: <492280C1.6090607@CC.UniVie.ac.at> Message-ID: <492438D6.5060100@ripe.net> On 18/11/08 09:45, Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet wrote: Dear Wilfried, > I am following up internally on a couple of (minor) issues > related to reverse DNS configuration mechanisms. > > Amongst others I am looking for clarification regarding: > > - misleading(?) text in alert messsages, related to IPv6 > - selection of master server to transfer zones from > - loose ends in config automation for legacy address space > > What is the appropriate list or WG to raise these issues - > the NCC-Services WG or the DNS WG? These issues sound like they're all related to DNS services, so the DNS WG is probably the best place to start a discussion. If you have any specific questions about your zones or reverse delegations, please feel free to send a message to and we'll be happy to answer your questions. Regards, -- Anand Buddhdev DNS Services Manager, RIPE NCC From noreply at ripe.net Thu Nov 20 10:42:34 2008 From: noreply at ripe.net (Gerard Leurs) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:42:34 +0100 Subject: [ncc-services-wg] RIPE NCC Maintenance Announcement Message-ID: <4925310A.9040509@ripe.net> [Apologies for duplicate emails] Dear Colleagues, >From 06:00-22:00 (UTC) on Saturday, 22 November 2008, RIPE NCC staff will perform scheduled maintenance work on our core storage infrastructure. The following items will be unavailable at times during this maintenance period: - www.ripe.net - k.root-servers.org - ftp.ripe.net - lirportal.ripe.net - e-learning.ripe.net The performance of dnsmon.ripe.net will be degraded during this period, and DNS zoneupdates will be unavailable. Mails sent to ticketised addresses (for example: hostmaster, ripe-dbm, ncc) will be stored on our MXes and processed after the maintenance period. We apologise for any inconvenience that this may cause. If you have any questions about this, please send an email to . Regards, Gerard Leurs Operations Coordinator RIPE NCC From denis at ripe.net Mon Nov 24 15:36:39 2008 From: denis at ripe.net (Denis Walker) Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:36:39 +0100 Subject: [ncc-services-wg] Outage report for the RIPE Database services Message-ID: <492ABBF7.5070708@ripe.net> [ Apologies for duplicate mails ] Dear colleagues, >From approximately 07:30 (UTC) to 18:30 (UTC) on Saturday, 22 November 2008, the RIPE Database web based services were not available. This was due to the scheduled maintenance of our central filer system. During this period it was not possible to connect to the syncupdates or webupdates services or use the query web form or other web based forms. Email updates were also delayed. All the messages received by auto-dbm at ripe.net were stored on our mail server. All the saved update messages have been processed. If you sent an email update to the RIPE Database service during this period, you will have already received an acknowledgement message. There is no need to re-send any update messages. We apologise for any inconvenience that this may have caused. Regards, Denis Walker Business Analyst RIPE NCC Database Group