From bijal at sohonet.co.uk Mon Nov 8 14:33:33 2004 From: bijal at sohonet.co.uk (Bijal Sanghani) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 13:33:33 +0000 Subject: [ncc-services-wg] RIPE49 - NCC Services WG Draft Minutes Message-ID: Dear All, Please see draft minutes from the NCC Services Working Group at RIPE 49. Please send any questions, comments or clarifications to Kurtis, myself or this mailing list. regards, Bijal ---- RIPE 49 Meeting RIPE NCC Services Working Group Date: Tuesday 21 September 2004 Time: 14.00 - 15.30 Date: Thursday 23 September 2004 Time: 14.00 - 15.30 Location: Medici Ballroom ----------------------------------------------------- A. Administrative Matters (5 min) - Welcome - Select a scribe Nathalie Dougall (RIPE NCC) - Distribute participants list - Finalise agenda - Approve minutes from RIPE 48: http://www.ripe.net/wg/ncc-services/r48-minutes.html Minutes approved. ----------------------------------------------------- B. RIPE NCC Update - Axel Pawlik (10-15 min) http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-49/presentations/ripe49- services-ncc.pdf *Updates and highlights *Preview of Activity Plan 2005 *Training Services Department *Membership Liaison *Resigning of Standard Service Agreements * Communications *New Projects *Software Engineering *Operations "Membership Focus is the Name of the Game" - RIPE NCC ----------------------------------------------------- C. RIPE NCC Activity Plan 2005 - Axel Pawlik (10-15 min) http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-49/presentations/ripe49- services-ncc.pdf *Member Service Desk *Membership Survey 2005 *New Training Methods *Anti-SPAM *More K Rootserver anycast *AP2005 ----------------------------------------------------- D. Anti-Spam Measures at NCC - Jim Reid (10-15 min) http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-49/presentations/ripe49- services-spam.pdf - Jim is not representing an LIR nor is he a member, but has been getting spam from the NCC. He has discussed this with some RIPE NCC Hostmasters and software people. The spam issue is also not good from NCC's point of view and Jim wants to tackle this by seeing a better policy in dealing with spam. - Jim gets spam, then replies to the NCC and is told to contact his ISP. He finds this response unsatisfactory and annoying because some spam originates from the RIPE NCC, and not necessarily from the ISP. - Jim feels that the problem should be stopped before it gets to his network and costs him. - Some NCC servers use different programs i.e. Spam Assassin, Blacklist etc. However, the policy is unclear. - Not clear which anti-spam policies are in place regarding the different mailing lists because it depends on the server that it is sitting on. Is there a Policy Vacuum? Documentation/policy and info on the NCC site is difficult to find. Information should be made more visible. Jim asks NCC staff if they could document and suggest improvements. Kurtis asks whether there is any comment on this? Kurtis asks the NCC to come back with some proposals for the mailing list and at the next meting. Daniel makes jabber comment from Webmaster: there is text on the website: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/about/maillists.html Andrei Robachevsky (RIPE NCC): I think you raised an important point, as spam causes problems for the NCC as well, and this is partly because of policy issues. For example: even for group mailing lists, they are quiet and free from spam as we do "human" spam filtering. i.e. only subscribers can post to the list, which reduces a huge amount of spam. We are now making classification of mailing lists and we are developing a consistent policy with regards to spam. Jim Reid (DNS MODA): That would be good. Sometimes my mail gets held up if I'm not a member of other working group lists. Another interesting issue is statistics: it would be nice to have the information of how much spam is arriving on your servers every day and how much is being thrown away. This would be helpful to know, in order to put things in context. Andrei Robachevsky: we can make the statistical poll Kurtis: leave it with Andrei to get back to the mailing list and will discuss at next meeting in Stockholm Kurtis thanks Jim for making proposal and mentions that when the Services Working Group was set up after the RIPE meeting in Barcelona, this was the idea - that members of the community would present to the WG. 14:44 session closes. ----------------------------------------------------- (Thursday:) E. RIPE NCC Billing Procedures and Charging Scheme - Jochem de Ruig (10-15 min) http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-49/presentations/ripe49- services-billing.pdf *General Billing Information *Billing Procedure www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/billing-2004.html *Billing 2004 *Outlook for 2005 Comments: - Denesh Bhabuta (Aexiomus): We are told that if you have a VAT number, then it shouldn't appear on the bill, but when we attend meetings, it appears on the bill and its extremely difficult to claim this back. - Jochem de Ruig (RIPE NCC): - in principle, in the Netherlands the VAT is included in your meeting fee and you can claim that back from the Dutch tax authorities if you want to. - Denesh Bhabuta (Aexiomus): This is difficult, but if you can do it with the membership fees, then there's no reason why you can't do it with the meeting fees. - Jochem de Ruig (RIPE NCC): Yes, I wish I could do it. What we say to the Dutch tax authorities is that the service fee is an international transaction, which is why we can shift the VAT from us to you. But with a meeting that is in the Netherlands, it is clear that the service is done in the NL, so we are not allowed by the tax authorities to shift the VAT to you, so I can't put on the receipt saying "VAT shifted" and that you submit it here locally. Unfortunately. Presentation on the Charging Scheme and the Scoring Algorithm http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-49/presentations/ripe49- services-billing.pdf *Charging Scheme process *Scoring Algorithm 2004 ? Size determined on basis of 2 variables, namely: - Prefix of the allocation/assignment - Age of the allocation/assignment 14:40 Jochem ends. No questions ----------------------------------------------------- F. RIPE NCC Training Team activities and developments - Rumy Kanis (20 min) http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-49/presentations/ripe49- services-training.pdf *Outline of courses: LIR, Routing Registry and DNSSec *Seminars and presentations - We have started offering presentations at conferences/meetings - please send requests! *Training in 2004 *Training in 2005 *Developing Training Services *Hosting ----------------------------------------------------- G. Feedback from Recent LIR Mergers - Kurtis (10-15 min) http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-49/presentations/ripe49- services-mergers.pdf A presentation on how LIR's work with the RIPE NCC with respect to mergers - we wanted to find out their experiences in dealing with the NCC on this issue. Kurtis outlines the presentation and emphasises that the NCC kept the information received from the LIR's confidential. The NCC contacted all LIR's that have completed mergers in the last 6 months. ? 27 members ? 22% response rate - all positive ? 7.5% had ideas for improvement, namely: ? Provide documentation repository ? Provide a free IP admin tool to new LIRs ? Re-structure audit process ? Promote and encourage consultancy firms to new LIRs Comments: - Joao Damas (ISC) - It would seem more reasonable to me to have the NCC publish a well defined interface to their systems for people on the outside, whether private for own use or open source for everyone to use. - Kurtis: who are interested in this? No hands shown...How many people think the NCC should develop a tool like this that should be fully available? No one responds... - Kurtis: How many people use tools, other than an acsci file, to keep track of address space? - 10 people show their hands. How many tools like this are written by yourselves? A lot of response... - Randy Bush (IIJ): I'd like to explain why I think these two seem to be in conflict, but are not... These tools are a small part of our toolset and are integrated with the rest of them. So you are trying to produce a standard one that is not going to fit in with the rest of our puzzle. - Kurtis: Would it be more useful to have a standardised date format tool? - Randy Bush (IIJ): To exchange what with whom? - Kurtis - If you are merging LIR's you need to take the data you have... - Randy Bush (IIJ): I don't have any plans to merge. It would be useful to have this if I could use it today, but to justify spending the money in case there is a merger in the future would be more difficult to sell to my manager. -Kurtis promises to take this discussion and ideas to the mailing list as there appears to be some interest, though it will take a lot of work to get this developed. Jabber question: Someone asks whether a standard format will actually help with mergers? - Kurtis: The feedback was from people who had done mergers, and they said that it would help. My own experience is that I think it would help in a merger process. ----------------------------------------------------- H. Topic's for Discussion - Kurtis Lindqvist http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-49/presentations/ripe49- services-discussion.pdf Kurtis will present this as "himself" and as general member of the community. Observation of how the process of activity planning and how the Services Working group is progressing. *Timing of input to the Activity Plan and Budget Rob Blokzijl (RIPE Chair): I think it?s important to have a well-structured way for this group to produce input for the AP. The difference between 3 meetings per year (up until now) and 2 meetings per year, which we will try out next year, is the January meeting. At the January meeting - no one thinks of the AP as it was just agreed at the end of the previous year. The May meeting was the one where, in timely fashion we could bring ideas for AP for following year and the fall meeting in September is last opportunity where we can bring ideas for next years AP. So, in practice, not much has really changed from 3 meetings per year to 2 meetings per year. We only miss the January meeting, where people think that the AP is for "later" this year, anyway. - Kurtis: if we have 3 meetings per year we would have the opportunity to make process better. I do not want to reopen the discussion, it is just an observation. Rob Blokzijl (RIPE Chair): I want to remind all that proposing changes and additions doesn't have a formal date and can happen at any moment of the year. Anyone can generate input to folks who have final responsibility to draft AP. This can happen via mailing lists or working groups, for example. Face-to-face meetings generate more interest. Channels are not being closed or narrowed. End discussion. *Proposal: Increase focus of work A new RIPE meeting plan? The first part of week could be for operational content and the second part of the week could be used for policy discussions. It would mean that people could better focus on topics and attend what they are interested in. Don't know what this would do to attendance numbers though! - Rob Blokzijl (RIPE Chair): I fully support this, and find it a valuable exercise to develop this further. We should go through all the agendas of the WGs and the EOF etc. and see how this week would have worked with such a framework. Based on that, we can try to design something and maybe try it out at the next RIPE meeting. It needs careful thought and preparation, but I see the advantages. - Randy Bush (IIJ): operations of what? - Kurtis: You know what I mean. - Randy - No I don't. I find very little operational content here for what I consider to be operations, as an ISP. - Kurtis: I don't disagree, but if you look at the charter of the working groups, there is a difference between Address policy and the Services Working Group. - Rob Blokzijl (RIPE Chair): On Randy's comment. It would be great to have more operational stuff in, so operators do something! - Joao Damas (ISC): I am just confused. I thought I was attending a RIPE meeting, not a RIPE NCC meeting. I heard you say that decision to go from 3 to 2 meetings per year was based on the NCC membership. - Kurtis: Comment was from NCC Membership Survey. It was discussed at length in the plenary, and it is a discussion that belongs in the plenary, not here. - Joao Damas (ISC): That is exactly my next point. If this is a RIPE meeting, then this discussion should take place in the plenary, not the NCC Services Working Group. A lot of people that come here have no interaction with the RIPE NCC and as time goes by, the purpose is to meet people, do business and eventually learn of operations and hopefully that is part of the content that develops more. So maybe if there is no need to have 3 meetings per year, we can actually follow the NANOG model, have a shorter meeting and skip Address policy? But again, this should be discussed somewhere else if this is the RIPE meeting. No other comments Y. Open Microphone No other business. Z. AOB None. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 14389 bytes Desc: not available URL: From alex.dempsey at vodafone.com Tue Nov 9 14:59:33 2004 From: alex.dempsey at vodafone.com (alex.dempsey at vodafone.com) Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 13:59:33 +0000 Subject: [ncc-services-wg] Alex Dempsey/Vodafone is out of the office. 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The following services were affected between 18:00 and 18:40 CET: - www.ripe.net - ftp.ripe.net - lirportal.ripe.net - ASO/NRO websites - Whois updates, this service was restored at 21:30 CET We apologise for any inconvenience that this may have caused to your operations. Regards, RIPE NCC Operations From ncc at ripe.net Mon Nov 15 16:43:41 2004 From: ncc at ripe.net (Axel Pawlik) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:43:41 +0100 Subject: [ncc-services-wg] NRO Response to ITU Comments on the Management of Internet Protocol (IP) Addresses Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20041115163523.0230dc58@mailhost.ripe.net> Dear Colleagues, As part of the World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS) process, a proposal has been made that could dramatically affect the way Internet number resources are distributed and managed. On 21 October 2004, the Director of ITU-TSB published a memorandum, "ITU and Internet Governance" for public comment. This memorandum includes a proposal to create a new IPv6 address space distribution process, based solely on national authorities. This could have a serious impact on RIPE NCC Members, Internet operators and the global Internet community at large. The Number Resource Organization (NRO), on behalf of the Regional Internet Registries, has prepared a public response to the ITU memorandum detailing the flaws of the proposal and the negative impact it would have on Internet operations. A summary of this response is available at: http://www.nro.net/documents/nro18.html The full response is available at: http://www.nro.net/documents/nro17.html The original ITU memorandum is available at: http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/tsb-director/itut-wsis/files/zhao-netgov01.doc We urge our members and others in the Internet community to make their views about this issue known. Without your support being *visible* and *explicit* the bottom-up, consensus based model on which the success of the Internet has been founded may be replaced by the top-down bureaucracy of "Internet Governance". To show your support: - RIPE NCC Members: Log in to the LIR Portal and tick the support box. If you do not have an LIR Portal account, please email your expression of support to: contact at ripe.net - Non-members: Please email to: im-support at ripe.net. An email archive of expressions of support will be available at: http://www.ripe.net/maillists/ncc-archives/im-support/ - ITU-TSB Members: Please also contact your ITU member state representative to voice your concerns you might have. Internet number resource distribution is fair and accessible to all. Its policy development process is open and transparent. It works. Let us keep it that way. Regards, Axel Pawlik Managing Director RIPE NCC From ncc at ripe.net Mon Nov 15 16:43:41 2004 From: ncc at ripe.net (Axel Pawlik) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:43:41 +0100 Subject: [ncc-services-wg] [local-ir@ripe.net]NRO Response to ITU Comments on the Management of Internet Protocol (IP) Addresses Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20041115163523.0230dc58@mailhost.ripe.net> Dear Colleagues, As part of the World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS) process, a proposal has been made that could dramatically affect the way Internet number resources are distributed and managed. On 21 October 2004, the Director of ITU-TSB published a memorandum, "ITU and Internet Governance" for public comment. This memorandum includes a proposal to create a new IPv6 address space distribution process, based solely on national authorities. This could have a serious impact on RIPE NCC Members, Internet operators and the global Internet community at large. The Number Resource Organization (NRO), on behalf of the Regional Internet Registries, has prepared a public response to the ITU memorandum detailing the flaws of the proposal and the negative impact it would have on Internet operations. A summary of this response is available at: http://www.nro.net/documents/nro18.html The full response is available at: http://www.nro.net/documents/nro17.html The original ITU memorandum is available at: http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/tsb-director/itut-wsis/files/zhao-netgov01.doc We urge our members and others in the Internet community to make their views about this issue known. Without your support being *visible* and *explicit* the bottom-up, consensus based model on which the success of the Internet has been founded may be replaced by the top-down bureaucracy of "Internet Governance". To show your support: - RIPE NCC Members: Log in to the LIR Portal and tick the support box. If you do not have an LIR Portal account, please email your expression of support to: contact at ripe.net - Non-members: Please email to: im-support at ripe.net. An email archive of expressions of support will be available at: http://www.ripe.net/maillists/ncc-archives/im-support/ - ITU-TSB Members: Please also contact your ITU member state representative to voice your concerns you might have. Internet number resource distribution is fair and accessible to all. Its policy development process is open and transparent. It works. Let us keep it that way. Regards, Axel Pawlik Managing Director RIPE NCC From ncc at ripe.net Mon Nov 15 16:43:41 2004 From: ncc at ripe.net (Axel Pawlik) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:43:41 +0100 Subject: [ncc-services-wg] [ncc-co@ripe.net] NRO Response to ITU Comments on the Management of Internet Protocol (IP) Addresses Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20041115163523.0230dc58@mailhost.ripe.net> Dear Colleagues, As part of the World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS) process, a proposal has been made that could dramatically affect the way Internet number resources are distributed and managed. On 21 October 2004, the Director of ITU-TSB published a memorandum, "ITU and Internet Governance" for public comment. This memorandum includes a proposal to create a new IPv6 address space distribution process, based solely on national authorities. This could have a serious impact on RIPE NCC Members, Internet operators and the global Internet community at large. The Number Resource Organization (NRO), on behalf of the Regional Internet Registries, has prepared a public response to the ITU memorandum detailing the flaws of the proposal and the negative impact it would have on Internet operations. A summary of this response is available at: http://www.nro.net/documents/nro18.html The full response is available at: http://www.nro.net/documents/nro17.html The original ITU memorandum is available at: http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/tsb-director/itut-wsis/files/zhao-netgov01.doc We urge our members and others in the Internet community to make their views about this issue known. Without your support being *visible* and *explicit* the bottom-up, consensus based model on which the success of the Internet has been founded may be replaced by the top-down bureaucracy of "Internet Governance". To show your support: - RIPE NCC Members: Log in to the LIR Portal and tick the support box. If you do not have an LIR Portal account, please email your expression of support to: contact at ripe.net - Non-members: Please email to: im-support at ripe.net. An email archive of expressions of support will be available at: http://www.ripe.net/maillists/ncc-archives/im-support/ - ITU-TSB Members: Please also contact your ITU member state representative to voice your concerns you might have. Internet number resource distribution is fair and accessible to all. Its policy development process is open and transparent. It works. Let us keep it that way. Regards, Axel Pawlik Managing Director RIPE NCC From hank at mail.iucc.ac.il Sun Nov 28 09:05:13 2004 From: hank at mail.iucc.ac.il (Hank Nussbacher) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 10:05:13 +0200 Subject: [ncc-services-wg] Page listing IP allocations sorted by country? Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20041128100403.00b09208@mail.iucc.ac.il> There used to be a page listing all IP allocations sorted by country. I can't find it on the new RIPE web site. Can anyone help? Thanks, Hank From hank at mail.iucc.ac.il Sun Nov 28 12:43:59 2004 From: hank at mail.iucc.ac.il (Hank Nussbacher) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 13:43:59 +0200 Subject: [ncc-services-wg] Page listing IP allocations sorted by country? In-Reply-To: <20041128114047.GA70511@cluecentral.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041128100403.00b09208@mail.iucc.ac.il> <5.1.0.14.2.20041128100403.00b09208@mail.iucc.ac.il> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20041128134334.00b0b8d8@mail.iucc.ac.il> At 12:40 PM 28-11-04 +0100, Sabri Berisha wrote: >On Sun, Nov 28, 2004 at 10:05:13AM +0200, Hank Nussbacher wrote: > > There used to be a page listing all IP allocations sorted by country. I > > can't find it on the new RIPE web site. Can anyone help? > >Perhaps ftp://ftp.ripe.net/pub/stats/ripencc/2004 is what you need? There used to be a regular http page. I can't find it. -Hank >-- >Sabri Berisha, SAB666-RIPE - I route, therefore you are >http://www.cluecentral.net - http://www.virt-ix.net > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > This Mail Was Scanned By Mail-seCure System > at the Tel-Aviv University CC. From hank at mail.iucc.ac.il Mon Nov 29 08:02:25 2004 From: hank at mail.iucc.ac.il (Hank Nussbacher) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:02:25 +0200 Subject: [ncc-services-wg] Page listing IP allocations sorted by country? In-Reply-To: <20041129025344.BDD53FCC6@smtp.vtx.ch> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041128134334.00b0b8d8@mail.iucc.ac.il> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20041129090202.00ab0af8@mail.iucc.ac.il> At 03:53 AM 29-11-04 +0100, Jerome Tissieres wrote: >Here you have LIRs listed by coutry, is that what you need ? >http://www.ripe.net/membership/indices/index.html Nope. Amazing how a useful page just disappeared. -Hank >Jerome > > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > De : ncc-services-wg-admin at ripe.net > > [mailto:ncc-services-wg-admin at ripe.net] De la part de Hank Nussbacher > > Envoy? : dimanche, 28. novembre 2004 12:44 > > ? : Sabri Berisha > > Cc : ncc-services-wg at ripe.net > > Objet : Re: [ncc-services-wg] Page listing IP allocations > > sorted by country? > > > > At 12:40 PM 28-11-04 +0100, Sabri Berisha wrote: > > >On Sun, Nov 28, 2004 at 10:05:13AM +0200, Hank Nussbacher wrote: > > > > There used to be a page listing all IP allocations sorted by > > > > country. I can't find it on the new RIPE web site. Can > > anyone help? > > > > > >Perhaps ftp://ftp.ripe.net/pub/stats/ripencc/2004 is what you need? > > > > There used to be a regular http page. I can't find it. > > > > -Hank > > > > > > >-- > > >Sabri Berisha, SAB666-RIPE - I route, therefore you are > > >http://www.cluecentral.net - http://www.virt-ix.net > > > > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > This Mail Was Scanned By Mail-seCure System at the Tel-Aviv > > > University CC. > > > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > This Mail Was Scanned By Mail-seCure System > at the Tel-Aviv University CC. From bortzmeyer at gitoyen.net Mon Nov 29 09:13:15 2004 From: bortzmeyer at gitoyen.net (Stephane Bortzmeyer) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:13:15 +0100 Subject: [ncc-services-wg] Re: Page listing IP allocations sorted by country? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20041129090202.00ab0af8@mail.iucc.ac.il> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041128134334.00b0b8d8@mail.iucc.ac.il> <5.1.0.14.2.20041129090202.00ab0af8@mail.iucc.ac.il> Message-ID: <20041129081315.GB28206@nic.fr> On Mon, Nov 29, 2004 at 09:02:25AM +0200, Hank Nussbacher wrote a message of 48 lines which said: > >Here you have LIRs listed by coutry, is that what you need ? > >http://www.ripe.net/membership/indices/index.html > > Nope. Amazing how a useful page just disappeared. Conspiracy lovers can note that the page disappeared while there is (at last!) a discussion in the WSIS about IP address allocation and its unfairness to some countries... http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/tsb-director/itut-wsis/files/zhao-netgov01.doc http://www.nro.net/documents/nro17.html From sabri at cluecentral.net Sun Nov 28 12:40:47 2004 From: sabri at cluecentral.net (Sabri Berisha) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 12:40:47 +0100 Subject: [ncc-services-wg] Page listing IP allocations sorted by country? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20041128100403.00b09208@mail.iucc.ac.il> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041128100403.00b09208@mail.iucc.ac.il> Message-ID: <20041128114047.GA70511@cluecentral.net> On Sun, Nov 28, 2004 at 10:05:13AM +0200, Hank Nussbacher wrote: > There used to be a page listing all IP allocations sorted by country. I > can't find it on the new RIPE web site. Can anyone help? Perhaps ftp://ftp.ripe.net/pub/stats/ripencc/2004 is what you need? -- Sabri Berisha, SAB666-RIPE - I route, therefore you are http://www.cluecentral.net - http://www.virt-ix.net From jerome.tissieres at smart-telecom.ch Mon Nov 29 03:53:32 2004 From: jerome.tissieres at smart-telecom.ch (Jerome Tissieres) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 03:53:32 +0100 Subject: [ncc-services-wg] Page listing IP allocations sorted by country? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20041128134334.00b0b8d8@mail.iucc.ac.il> Message-ID: <20041129025344.BDD53FCC6@smtp.vtx.ch> Here you have LIRs listed by coutry, is that what you need ? http://www.ripe.net/membership/indices/index.html Jerome > -----Message d'origine----- > De : ncc-services-wg-admin at ripe.net > [mailto:ncc-services-wg-admin at ripe.net] De la part de Hank Nussbacher > Envoy? : dimanche, 28. novembre 2004 12:44 > ? : Sabri Berisha > Cc : ncc-services-wg at ripe.net > Objet : Re: [ncc-services-wg] Page listing IP allocations > sorted by country? > > At 12:40 PM 28-11-04 +0100, Sabri Berisha wrote: > >On Sun, Nov 28, 2004 at 10:05:13AM +0200, Hank Nussbacher wrote: > > > There used to be a page listing all IP allocations sorted by > > > country. I can't find it on the new RIPE web site. Can > anyone help? > > > >Perhaps ftp://ftp.ripe.net/pub/stats/ripencc/2004 is what you need? > > There used to be a regular http page. I can't find it. > > -Hank > > > >-- > >Sabri Berisha, SAB666-RIPE - I route, therefore you are > >http://www.cluecentral.net - http://www.virt-ix.net > > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > This Mail Was Scanned By Mail-seCure System at the Tel-Aviv > > University CC. > From mika.ruohotie at eunet.fi Mon Nov 29 08:27:04 2004 From: mika.ruohotie at eunet.fi (mika ruohotie) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:27:04 +0200 Subject: [ncc-services-wg] Page listing IP allocations sorted by country? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20041129090202.00ab0af8@mail.iucc.ac.il> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041128134334.00b0b8d8@mail.iucc.ac.il> <5.1.0.14.2.20041129090202.00ab0af8@mail.iucc.ac.il> Message-ID: <20041129072704.GR65079@problema.tech.eunet.fi> On Mon, Nov 29, 2004 at 09:02:25AM +0200, Hank Nussbacher wrote: > At 03:53 AM 29-11-04 +0100, Jerome Tissieres wrote: > >Here you have LIRs listed by coutry, is that what you need ? > >http://www.ripe.net/membership/indices/index.html > Nope. Amazing how a useful page just disappeared. Yes, I second this. Even tho I hate to post "mee too"s to a public list, this time I will. I too was searching the old listing of IP allocations for LIRs last week, and noticed it's gone. I think we both talk about the list which was a type of: ab.cdefgh 127.0.0.0/8 192.168.0.0/24 ab.ijklm 10.0.0.0/8 172.16.0.0/12 and so on. If there are reasons why those lists were removed, and can not be made available again, I would love to hear those. > -Hank mickey -- mika ruohotie, eunet finland From lists at complx.LF.net Mon Nov 29 09:55:23 2004 From: lists at complx.LF.net (Kurt Jaeger) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:55:23 +0100 Subject: [ncc-services-wg] Page listing IP allocations sorted by country? In-Reply-To: <20041129072704.GR65079@problema.tech.eunet.fi> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041128134334.00b0b8d8@mail.iucc.ac.il> <5.1.0.14.2.20041129090202.00ab0af8@mail.iucc.ac.il> <20041129072704.GR65079@problema.tech.eunet.fi> Message-ID: <20041129085523.GH62738@complx.LF.net> Hi! > I too was searching the old listing of IP allocations for LIRs last > week, and noticed it's gone. > > I think we both talk about the list which was a type of: > > ab.cdefgh > 127.0.0.0/8 > 192.168.0.0/24 > ab.ijklm > 10.0.0.0/8 > 172.16.0.0/12 > > and so on. > > If there are reasons why those lists were removed, and can not be made > available again, I would love to hear those. I'd like to have that list back as well. -- MfG/Best regards, Kurt Jaeger 16 years to go ! LF.net GmbH fon +49 711 90074-23 pi at LF.net Ruppmannstr. 27 fax +49 711 90074-33 D-70565 Stuttgart mob +49 171 3101372 From shane at ripe.net Mon Nov 29 16:20:00 2004 From: shane at ripe.net (Shane Kerr) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:20:00 +0100 Subject: [ncc-services-wg] LIR Portal Outage Message-ID: <41AB3E20.1030504@ripe.net> Dear Colleagues, On Monday, 29 November 2004, between 13:50 and 15:15 CET, logins were not possible to the LIR Portal: https://lirportal.ripe.net This service is now restored. We apologise for the outage, and any inconvenience this may have caused you. Regards, Shane Kerr Software Manager RIPE NCC From leo at ripe.net Mon Nov 29 16:48:07 2004 From: leo at ripe.net (leo vegoda) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:48:07 +0100 Subject: [ncc-services-wg] Page listing IP allocations sorted by country? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20041128100403.00b09208@mail.iucc.ac.il> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041128100403.00b09208@mail.iucc.ac.il> Message-ID: <104B6F1A-421E-11D9-9BA8-000A95DAB530@ripe.net> Hi, On Nov 28, 2004, at 9:05 am, Hank Nussbacher wrote: > There used to be a page listing all IP allocations sorted by country. > I can't find it on the new RIPE web site. Can anyone help? The web page you're refrring to was not moved to the new site because it was so big most browsers couldn't load it. We have country and LIR information published in a number of different formats. You can: - Look at all allocations and assignments from the file at: ftp://ftp.ripe.net/pub/stats/ripencc/delegated-ripencc-latest - Look at all allocations and assignments per /8 from the files in: ftp://ftp.ripe.net/pub/stats/ripencc/issued/ - Download all database objects (without PoC data) as an archive: ftp://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/dbase/ripe.db.gz You can also do inverse queries for all all resources referencing an LIR's Org object. For example, you can find all il.isoc's number resources by doing: $ whois -h whois.ripe.net -r -iorg ORG-II4-RIPE If there is a need for us to provide information in a separate, defined format then we can look at doing that. Regards, -- leo vegoda Registration Services Manager RIPE NCC From bortzmeyer at gitoyen.net Mon Nov 29 16:54:52 2004 From: bortzmeyer at gitoyen.net (Stephane Bortzmeyer) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:54:52 +0100 Subject: [ncc-services-wg] Re: Page listing IP allocations sorted by country? In-Reply-To: <104B6F1A-421E-11D9-9BA8-000A95DAB530@ripe.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041128100403.00b09208@mail.iucc.ac.il> <104B6F1A-421E-11D9-9BA8-000A95DAB530@ripe.net> Message-ID: <20041129155452.GA14898@nic.fr> On Mon, Nov 29, 2004 at 04:48:07PM +0100, leo vegoda wrote a message of 35 lines which said: > it was so big most browsers couldn't load it. Suggestion : leave it on the Web site (in text form, not in HTML) but do not make a link to it. Instead, write:

If you want the list of IP allocation by country (Warning: it is a huge document), do not use a regular Web browser but get it with a dedicated tool like curl or wget at the address http://www.ripe.net/something.txt. From kurtis at kurtis.pp.se Mon Nov 29 17:13:06 2004 From: kurtis at kurtis.pp.se (Kurt Erik Lindqvist) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:13:06 +0100 Subject: [ncc-services-wg] Re: Page listing IP allocations sorted by country? In-Reply-To: <20041129155452.GA14898@nic.fr> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041128100403.00b09208@mail.iucc.ac.il> <104B6F1A-421E-11D9-9BA8-000A95DAB530@ripe.net> <20041129155452.GA14898@nic.fr> Message-ID: <8E08D001-4221-11D9-BD7F-000A95928574@kurtis.pp.se> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2004-11-29, at 16.54, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > On Mon, Nov 29, 2004 at 04:48:07PM +0100, > leo vegoda wrote > a message of 35 lines which said: > >> it was so big most browsers couldn't load it. > > Suggestion : leave it on the Web site (in text form, not in HTML) but > do not make a link to it. Instead, write: > >

If you want the list of IP allocation by country (Warning: it > is a huge document), do not use a regular Web browser but get it > with a dedicated tool like curl or wget at the address > http://www.ripe.net/something.txt. Just out of curiosity, why would want to get this monster through HTTP rather than FTP? - - kurtis - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 8.1 iQA/AwUBQatKo6arNKXTPFCVEQIZOgCcDzCA1L/AY3JINxc2dsz1lNttb2IAn2xs GL/5y2V344WocL+iFtT1eqv0 =FA8k -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From bortzmeyer at gitoyen.net Mon Nov 29 17:15:45 2004 From: bortzmeyer at gitoyen.net (Stephane Bortzmeyer) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:15:45 +0100 Subject: [ncc-services-wg] Re: Re: Page listing IP allocations sorted by country? In-Reply-To: <8E08D001-4221-11D9-BD7F-000A95928574@kurtis.pp.se> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041128100403.00b09208@mail.iucc.ac.il> <104B6F1A-421E-11D9-9BA8-000A95DAB530@ripe.net> <20041129155452.GA14898@nic.fr> <8E08D001-4221-11D9-BD7F-000A95928574@kurtis.pp.se> Message-ID: <20041129161545.GA18053@nic.fr> On Mon, Nov 29, 2004 at 05:13:06PM +0100, Kurt Erik Lindqvist wrote a message of 33 lines which said: > > http://www.ripe.net/something.txt. > > Just out of curiosity, why would want to get this monster through HTTP > rather than FTP? I don't care, it's the content which matters, not the protocol. From kurtis at kurtis.pp.se Mon Nov 29 17:21:48 2004 From: kurtis at kurtis.pp.se (Kurt Erik Lindqvist) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 17:21:48 +0100 Subject: [ncc-services-wg] Re: Page listing IP allocations sorted by country? In-Reply-To: <20041129161545.GA18053@nic.fr> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20041128100403.00b09208@mail.iucc.ac.il> <104B6F1A-421E-11D9-9BA8-000A95DAB530@ripe.net> <20041129155452.GA14898@nic.fr> <8E08D001-4221-11D9-BD7F-000A95928574@kurtis.pp.se> <20041129161545.GA18053@nic.fr> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2004-11-29, at 17.15, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > On Mon, Nov 29, 2004 at 05:13:06PM +0100, > Kurt Erik Lindqvist wrote >> Just out of curiosity, why would want to get this monster through HTTP >> rather than FTP? > > I don't care, it's the content which matters, not the protocol. ...and what is in that file that is not in the stats files or can be generated from the stats files? I have been generating graphs over allocation growth per country for v4 and v6 for months. Using Excel and the stat files... - - kurtis - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 8.1 iQA/AwUBQatMoqarNKXTPFCVEQIiWwCfVU4gAwQ/fZXiNVtobCOC0a7c1cUAniwH sR7l55m8Q8qJaBwIvepq1M/9 =fG5+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From shane at ripe.net Mon Nov 29 16:20:00 2004 From: shane at ripe.net (Shane Kerr) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:20:00 +0100 Subject: [ncc-services-wg] [local-ir@ripe.net]LIR Portal Outage Message-ID: <41AB3E20.1030504@ripe.net> Dear Colleagues, On Monday, 29 November 2004, between 13:50 and 15:15 CET, logins were not possible to the LIR Portal: https://lirportal.ripe.net This service is now restored. We apologise for the outage, and any inconvenience this may have caused you. Regards, Shane Kerr Software Manager RIPE NCC