[ncc-services-wg] Re: [address-policy-wg] Re: ICANN vs RIPE NCC, was Re: Summary of the PI ......
Peter Galbavy peter.galbavy at knowtion.net
Tue Aug 12 11:19:44 CEST 2003
Bovio at aol.com wrote: > I stand 100% with Daniel here. I can't speak for the others RIRs but I > strongly believe the RIPE-NCC has made significant efforts in the > recent past to listen to its membership, streamline procedures, and > positively react to constructive criticism. > > There is more work to do, no doubt about it, but I can't see how > flaming on mailing lists helps. > > Whomever has concrete ideas: I propose we move this discussion to the > ncc-services-wg list/group, that was created exactly for this purpose. OK, let me try to be clear and rational about my primary objections to the way that RIPE works now: 1. Everyone pussyfoots around the issue of RIPE =?= RIPE-NCC. As the funding for both are out of the same pockets, please STOP trying to make that distinction. If RIPE (as a natural monopoly) was classed like BT, then this practise would be seen as cross-subsidisation. 2. RIPE, again as a natural monopoly, does NOT offer "members" the choice of opting out of the "fluffy stuff". RIPE should, IMHO, provide registry services ONLY and base its costs on that. The other hand waving, experimental, attempted standard setting stuff should be optional and extra. At the moment, those of us who just want IPes and ASes have to pay for others to play with their academic toys. Why ? 3. The registry should be run efficiently, not just "quickly". From the reports that others have sent me off-list in the past, my suspicions are strong that there are basically too many staff at RIPE. We're back to the industrial rationalisation issues of the 80's for deities sake... Anyone in the UK remember the stories about Leyland workers on night shift being caught sleeping on cots they brough in to work ? I get that feeling about RIPE sometimes. Does anyone believe that RIPE is not a "natural monopoly" for IP registry services in Europe ? If it isn't, as I predicate it is, then I get choice and can take my business elsewhere. Going to an "ISP" is not the choice I can make, so don't try that one. rgds, -- Peter