From contact at ripe.net Thu Jul 26 16:42:08 2007 From: contact at ripe.net (Paul Rendek) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:42:08 +0200 Subject: [ncc-regional-middle-east] Welcome to the New MENOG Mailing List Message-ID: <46A8B2C0.5070401@ripe.net> Dear Colleagues, Welcome to the Middle East Network Operators Group (MENOG) mailing list: menog at menog.net This new, moderated mailing list has been created to promote continued discussion of IP networking issues relevant to the Middle East region. It will act as a forum for network engineers and other technical staff to discuss issues and events that may be of interest. It will also be used to make announcements to the MENOG community. The MENOG mailing list replaces the RIPE NCC-hosted mailing list: ncc-regional-middle-east The ncc-regional-middle-east list has been archived and subscribers to that list have been automatically added to the MENOG mailing list. If you would like to unsubscribe, please send an e-mail to . If you have any colleagues who would be interested in the topics covered on this mailing list, they can subscribe to the list at: http://www.menog.net/mailing_lists.php Regards, Paul Rendek, Head of Member Services and Communications RIPE NCC On behalf of the MENOG Organising Committee From operations at sahara.com.sa Thu Jul 26 20:26:45 2007 From: operations at sahara.com.sa (Kais Al-Essa) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:26:45 +0300 Subject: [ncc-regional-middle-east] Peering In-Reply-To: <46A8B2C0.5070401@ripe.net> References: <46A8B2C0.5070401@ripe.net> Message-ID: <02e801c7cfb2$860c2660$92247320$@com.sa> Hello all, It was interesting to attend the 1st MENOG meeting in Bahrain. I'm looking forward to such annual meetings. One of the interesting topics for me as an ISP Technical Manager is Peering Points. During the meeting, I didn't see any single initiative about a peering project in the Gulf. However, I've heared about some attempts or projects, but was unable to get anything solid. Therefore, I'm sending this e-mail to the group in order to enquire if anyone knows for sure about any peering activities between Gulf Countries for Internet traffic and if there is anything going on with Saudi Arabia in particular. I personally heared that STC is working on something soon, but again, nothing was solid and I was unable to obtain clear information. Regards.. Kais Al-Essa, Founder and Operations & Technical Services Manager Sahara Net _______________________________________________________________________ kais -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 8848 bytes Desc: not available URL: From meeting at ripe.net Mon Jul 30 15:54:56 2007 From: meeting at ripe.net (Paul Rendek) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:54:56 +0200 Subject: [ncc-regional-middle-east] RIPE NCC Regional Meeting/MENOG 2 - Registration Open Message-ID: <46ADEDB0.9060806@ripe.net> [Apologies for duplicate e-mails] Dear Colleagues, We are pleased to announce that registration is now open for the RIPE NCC Regional Meeting/MENOG 2 in Doha, Qatar. Hosted by Qtel, these two meetings will be held back-to-back from 19 - 21 November at the Sheraton Doha Hotel & Resort. RIPE NCC Regional Meetings enable the RIPE NCC to get direct feedback from members in the region. Presentations on region-specific issues play a central part in the meeting agenda and attendees are able to meet with RIPE NCC staff and the region's key industry players. For more information go to: http://www.ripe.net/meetings/regional/ The Middle East Network Operators Group (MENOG) meetings offer network engineers and other network operators the opportunity to share their experience, knowledge and ideas for regional cooperation. This is the first time these events will be hosted back-to-back and we look forward to an event that will encourage discussion, cooperation and innovation in the region. Registration ------------ This event is free to attend, although you must register. You can register online at: https://lirportal.ripe.net/lirportal/meeting/registration/meeting.html?id=46 MENOG Presentations and Meeting Agenda -------------------------------------- The presentations at this meeting are based on what you think are the most important topics for your region. The agenda (see below) has several slots reserved for presentations on issues affecting the local Internet community. We need your help to complete it. The preliminary meeting agenda is available at: http://www.menog.net/meetings/menog2/agenda.php The agenda will be updated as soon as presenters and topics are confirmed. Meeting Venue ------------- These meetings will take place in the Sheraton Doha Hotel & Resort. More information is available at: http://www.sheraton-doha.com/ MENOG Website and Mailing List ------------------------------ The new MENOG website, which provides news, discussion and information on the group's activities, can now be accessed at: http://www.menog.net/ The new MENOG mailing list allows the community to keep in touch with events that may be of interest. The mailing list provides a forum for discussion and is used to make announcements to the community. To subscribe to the mailing list, you can register at: http://www.menog.net/mailing_lists.php Regards, Paul Rendek Head of Member Services & Communications RIPE NCC From tic at isu.net.sa Tue Jul 31 08:14:28 2007 From: tic at isu.net.sa (Timo Liuska) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 09:14:28 +0300 Subject: [ncc-regional-middle-east] Peering In-Reply-To: <02e801c7cfb2$860c2660$92247320$@com.sa> References: <46A8B2C0.5070401@ripe.net> <02e801c7cfb2$860c2660$92247320$@com.sa> Message-ID: <3B740F42-4330-47F5-922F-8668AC19DED1@isu.net.sa> Hi, There has been indeed discussions about building a local internet exchange ever since the local ISP's could select where to get their international capacity (around last Ramadan). Before that, KACST/ISU was effectively acting as an internet exchange in Riyadh and Jeddah. As far as I know, CITC is one of the key parties in the decision process who is going to build it and when. So far I haven't seen any final decisions about it, but hopefully they'll get the decision done quickly. Best regards, Timo -- Timo Liuska Senior Network Consultant, Nixu Middle East FZ-LLC Network Operations Center / Internet Services Unit King Abdulaziz City for Science & Technology On Jul 26, 2007, at 21:26 , Kais Al-Essa wrote: > Hello all, > > > > It was interesting to attend the 1st MENOG meeting in Bahrain. I'm > looking forward to such annual meetings. > > One of the interesting topics for me as an ISP Technical Manager is > Peering Points. > > > > During the meeting, I didn't see any single initiative about a > peering project in the Gulf. However, I've heared about some > attempts or projects, but was unable to get anything solid. > > > > Therefore, I'm sending this e-mail to the group in order to enquire > if anyone knows for sure about any peering activities between Gulf > Countries for Internet traffic and if there is anything going on > with Saudi Arabia in particular. I personally heared that STC is > working on something soon, but again, nothing was solid and I was > unable to obtain clear information. > > > > Regards.. > > > > Kais Al-Essa, Founder and Operations & Technical Services Manager > > Sahara Net > > ______________________________________________________________________ > _ > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dosary at cisco.com Tue Jul 31 10:15:08 2007 From: dosary at cisco.com (Osama Dosary (dosary)) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 10:15:08 +0200 Subject: [ncc-regional-middle-east] Peering In-Reply-To: <3B740F42-4330-47F5-922F-8668AC19DED1@isu.net.sa> Message-ID: Hello, I used to work in the Internet arm of STC, and as far as I know STC doesn't have any plans to peer with gulf ISPs. They have already setup what they call "Saudi Internet Exchange", but they are really selling transit traffic to the middle-east. I believe that most of the gulf is now connected. With regards to CITC, their plans don't include Gulf peering, especially when that means that the content control for Saudi Arabia will be bypassed. Since the ISU function (as an International Gateway for Saudi) has now been integrated into STC, the doors are now open for the two new competitors to do International peering (ITC and Bayanat,) so they could potentially peer with the gulf. Does that answer your question? Regards, Osama I. Al-Dosary ________________________________ From: ncc-regional-middle-east-admin at ripe.net [mailto:ncc-regional-middle-east-admin at ripe.net] On Behalf Of Timo Liuska Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 9:14 AM To: ncc-regional-middle-east at ripe.net Cc: Kais Al-Essa Subject: Re: [ncc-regional-middle-east] Peering Hi, There has been indeed discussions about building a local internet exchange ever since the local ISP's could select where to get their international capacity (around last Ramadan). Before that, KACST/ISU was effectively acting as an internet exchange in Riyadh and Jeddah. As far as I know, CITC is one of the key parties in the decision process who is going to build it and when. So far I haven't seen any final decisions about it, but hopefully they'll get the decision done quickly. Best regards, Timo -- Timo Liuska Senior Network Consultant, Nixu Middle East FZ-LLC Network Operations Center / Internet Services Unit King Abdulaziz City for Science & Technology On Jul 26, 2007, at 21:26 , Kais Al-Essa wrote: Hello all, It was interesting to attend the 1st MENOG meeting in Bahrain. I'm looking forward to such annual meetings. One of the interesting topics for me as an ISP Technical Manager is Peering Points. During the meeting, I didn't see any single initiative about a peering project in the Gulf. However, I've heared about some attempts or projects, but was unable to get anything solid. Therefore, I'm sending this e-mail to the group in order to enquire if anyone knows for sure about any peering activities between Gulf Countries for Internet traffic and if there is anything going on with Saudi Arabia in particular. I personally heared that STC is working on something soon, but again, nothing was solid and I was unable to obtain clear information. Regards.. Kais Al-Essa, Founder and Operations & Technical Services Manager Sahara Net _______________________________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tic at isu.net.sa Tue Jul 31 10:36:15 2007 From: tic at isu.net.sa (Timo Liuska) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:36:15 +0300 Subject: [ncc-regional-middle-east] Peering In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1FB64252-7F4B-48C3-855D-0090C62420EC@isu.net.sa> Hi again, My answer wasn't particularly clear, thanks for correcting Mr. Osama. My earlier response was about the plans for national IX here in KSA. STC has indeed the MEIX -project, but at least so far they haven't been able to provide enough capacity there to make it useful, so at least ISU is not peering over that link currently at all. Best regards, Timo -- Timo Liuska Senior Network Consultant, Nixu Middle East FZ-LLC Network Operations Center / Internet Services Unit King Abdulaziz City for Science & Technology On Jul 31, 2007, at 11:15 , Osama Dosary ((dosary)) wrote: > Hello, > > I used to work in the Internet arm of STC, and as far as I know STC > doesn't have any plans to peer with gulf ISPs. They have already > setup what they call "Saudi Internet Exchange", but they are really > selling transit traffic to the middle-east. I believe that most of > the gulf is now connected. > With regards to CITC, their plans don't include Gulf peering, > especially when that means that the content control for Saudi > Arabia will be bypassed. > > Since the ISU function (as an International Gateway for Saudi) has > now been integrated into STC, the doors are now open for the two > new competitors to do International peering (ITC and Bayanat,) so > they could potentially peer with the gulf. > > Does that answer your question? > > Regards, > Osama I. Al-Dosary > > > From: ncc-regional-middle-east-admin at ripe.net [mailto:ncc-regional- > middle-east-admin at ripe.net] On Behalf Of Timo Liuska > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 9:14 AM > To: ncc-regional-middle-east at ripe.net > Cc: Kais Al-Essa > Subject: Re: [ncc-regional-middle-east] Peering > > Hi, > > There has been indeed discussions about building a local internet > exchange ever since the local ISP's could select where to get > their international capacity (around last Ramadan). Before that, > KACST/ISU was effectively acting as an internet exchange in Riyadh > and Jeddah. As far as I know, CITC is one of the key parties in the > decision process who is going to build it and when. So far I > haven't seen any final decisions about it, but hopefully they'll > get the decision done quickly. > > > Best regards, > Timo > > -- > Timo Liuska > Senior Network Consultant, Nixu Middle East FZ-LLC > Network Operations Center / Internet Services Unit > King Abdulaziz City for Science & Technology > > > > On Jul 26, 2007, at 21:26 , Kais Al-Essa wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> >> It was interesting to attend the 1st MENOG meeting in Bahrain. I'm >> looking forward to such annual meetings. >> >> One of the interesting topics for me as an ISP Technical Manager >> is Peering Points. >> >> >> During the meeting, I didn't see any single initiative about a >> peering project in the Gulf. However, I've heared about some >> attempts or projects, but was unable to get anything solid. >> >> >> Therefore, I'm sending this e-mail to the group in order to >> enquire if anyone knows for sure about any peering activities >> between Gulf Countries for Internet traffic and if there is >> anything going on with Saudi Arabia in particular. I personally >> heared that STC is working on something soon, but again, nothing >> was solid and I was unable to obtain clear information. >> >> >> Regards.. >> >> >> Kais Al-Essa, Founder and Operations & Technical Services Manager >> >> Sahara Net >> >> _____________________________________________________________________ >> __ >> >> >> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: