[members-discuss] New pricing proposal - it goes out of control

Can you explain the rationale on returning addresses to RIPE NCC rather than selling them onward? There is a market for this thing which exists in limited amounts, you know. 😊



Kaj

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Not to mention that ARIN ran out of IP addresses in 2015. They failed to preserve their resources long before any other region. It's not in the interest of RIPE NCC to follow that kind of logic.

I see other members suggesting to not over complicate things and just charge per /24. That could result in the pool being replenished with recycled IP blocks, as I imagine many organizations won't want to continue to pay for IPs they will never use. Right now there's no incentive to recycle unused IP blocks and that has to change.

Regards,
Josh Jameson
Technical Director
ServeByte Ltd
On 09/03/2023 10:00, Michele Neylon - Blacknight via members-discuss wrote:
If ARIN was “perfect” making references to their model might hold water, but they are far from that.



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Hello Everyone,

I'm analyzing the new charging scheme proposed by RIPE NCC.

Adopt the new scheme like that KILL every small hosting provider include
us. I don't think that's a good idea for RIPE NCC to kill a lot of small
provider.

It kill net neutrality, and i think a lot of small isp call IANA to
sanction the RIPE board for that.


In practice, you ask 8000€ / year because a provider  has one ASN ? It's
mostly mandatory for all members to own at least one.


Why not doing some in between prupose:

More "reasonable" base membership. Small ISP doesn't have to pay mush.
Let imagine a resource quantity category.

IPv6 only => category 1

< 10 000 IPv4 => category 2

50 000 IPv4 => ....

...

- Extra fee for every PI of 50€

Like that, big isp who can pay for the RIPE work because they extract
high value from them.

  Also people who sponsor a lot of PI (who generate a lot of work for
RIPE resource analyst) pay for the employment time.


As a reminder, ARIN use this model.


Best regards,

Sarah


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