[members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] Publication of Draft Charging Scheme Models 2024

Hi,

On Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 05:05:09PM +0200, Maximilian Wilhelm wrote:
> These models still introduce charges for ASNs, the questions on the "why?"
> has been raised multiple times and I haven't seen any explanation for that.
> Did I miss it?

This might all be my fault :-) - so let me explain.  We currently do not
have a good reclaim mechanism for ASN, and I am absolutely convinced we
do want one - while there is no shortage of ASNs, we have a responsibility
on properly keeping track on "where are those?", and the effort for that
grows with the number of ASNs handed out, especially if they become unused
and nobody really knows anymore.

So option 1, the NCC regularily comes asking ("does anyone in your company
know if AS196631 is still in use?").  Option 2, you find a financial 
incentive to make people return ASNs that are no longer needed, because
they find the yearly monetary transfer annoying.

I am convinced that a charge around 50 EUR is a reasonable thing to add -
it's low enough that it is not really noticeable for someone who really
need a public ASN, as in "takes part of global BGP, has infrastructure, etc",
while at the same time annoying enough so you want to get rid of it if
you do no longer need the ASN.

I've never done the math on "how does this influence the NCC budget?" - but
assuming some 20.000 "RIPE" ASNs out there, and also assuming 50 EUR/year,
this would be a million EUR/year, which otherwise would have to be part
of the member fees.  So, while this was explicitly never my intention
("lower our member fees by making other people pay for their ASN"), it
does have an effect - ASN fees and PI fees can be billed "onwards" toward
the customer, while the regular LIR fee is "mine to keep"...

Gert Doering
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