[members-discuss] Charging Scheme Models 2024

Hello,

Has anyone considered that model A carries the risk of subsidizing the IP traders joining the waiting list? 
Potentially this will enable IP traders to register and maintain many LIRs with lower upfront (1250EUR) and recurring cost (250EUR) base membership fee for those without allocations.

Essentially allowing malicious actors to game the waiting list system by maintaining many LIRs and possibly impact the democratic voting system since LIRs get the same vote weight even if they pay less.

I believe, having a low entry level such as this will risk an exodus of IP holders and ranges to other regions where there is a lower fees while also incurring substantially higher costs for longterm RIPE members.  

Best regards
Adminor AB
Alexander Norman

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Från: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> För Brandon Butterworth
Skickat: Thursday, 13 April 2023 18:06
Till: Akayo <ripe at akayo.eu>
Kopia: members-discuss at ripe.net
Ämne: Re: [members-discuss] Charging Scheme Models 2024

On Wed Apr 12, 2023 at 10:43:41PM +0200, Akayo wrote:
> Today we received the email of 12th April 2023 about the RIPE NCC 
> charging scheme models A, B and C for 2024. Of course we used the 
> calculator to find out how much we would be required to pay in future 
> for option A.

It feels like we're being gamed here but I don't know why.

RIPE run this calculation for billing each year, it seems a needless distraction to have everyone run it themselves when they could send us the results for each option.

Similarly they can work out which is the best option for each LIR and total them up to figure which would win the vote if particpation was even.

All this though is distracting from the fundamental issue of having expanded/become more costly on the back of new LIRs mining the last IP block, mostly for profit it seems as we're now facing them selling up.

The priority should be to agree what we want to spend and then how we want to split it up. I was fine letting RIPE make up a budget while the previous cost models were not expensive, now it looks to become expensive I'm no longer happy with that.

I think the best option is to use current model, which is least worst as we've all been paying it for some years, apply RPI increase, then let RIPE determine how to live within it. Then we don't have all try and determine a viable business model for something we don't really know much detail of.

brandon

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