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Piotr Karwowski
piotr at karwos.hk
Wed Mar 23 17:29:32 CET 2022
I would feel very bad other way to discriminate any Group of members. I think the actual situation is pure patethic. I think we should proceed with voting with all LIR, but think about questions first. Do we have some table with stats - how many there are LIR per country in ripe domain ? Pobierz aplikację BlueMail dla systemu Android W dniu 23 mar 2022, 12:25, o 12:25, użytkownik Serg Galat <greysticky at gmail.com> napisał: >Dear Piotr, > >RIPE as a community can solve this by voting on two positions: > >1. Should RIPE NCC allow russian LIRs to postpone their payments? >2. Should RIPE NCC allow ukrainian LIRs to postpone their payments? > >Ukrainian and russian LIRs shall not vote in this poll. >Let the community to decide. > >On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 12:43 PM Piotr Karwowski <piotr at karwos.hk> >wrote: >> >> Do not forget that eventually voting might be disrupted. >> I do not know exact numbers of RIPE members per country, but I think >Russia might have quite high numbers of them. >> Then we can have situation just like in United Nations, when Russia >can simply make a veto. >> >> And now we clearly see - UN Was established after WW2 to not repeat >history and attentuate all eventual conflicts at its first stages. >> >> Veto way make UN completly useless organization now. >> >> Any way to check how many members we have in RIPE per country , >> >> Pobierz aplikację BlueMail dla systemu Android >> W dniu 21 mar 2022, o 12:51, użytkownik Stary Bezpiek ><stary.bezpiecznik at gmail.com> napisał: >>> >>> W dniu 19.03.2022 o 06:59, Taras Heichenko pisze: >>> >>>> Peace. >>>> >>>> I am glad to see that RIPE NCC is legally clean. There are >questions about humanism but of course this is not a cope of work of >RIPE NCC. >>> >>> >>> In my opinion - it is not. >>> RIPE NCC claims to operate in accordance with its own policies, that >are >>> created by the community. >>> >>> Meanwhile, we have a selective treatment of Members in terms of >payments >>> without: >>> a) RIPE NCC resolutions >>> b) without annexes to contracts with users. >>> c) policy change >>> Neither the Agreement nor the existing policies allow for >discretionary >>> behavior like "this user may not pay, and others must" without >formal >>> authorization. >>> >>> Of course Ukraine as an attacked country can and must be treated >with >>> any aid, including exemption from payments, when possible. But it >has to >>> be passed by a resolution of the RIPE NCC ordinance. The resolution >may >>> contain one sentence: "We do not issue invoices to Ukrainian members >>> until the end of the war." Vote: who is in favor? All? The End. >>> >>> On the other end is Russia, as a country that has been subject to >>> sanctions. It should not be of our interest, that they cannot pay. >In >>> result, recognizing that Russia users may not pay, because they have >>> "banking difficulties" means, that no one from Russia will pay. >Without >>> any consequences. Although they probably can pay. Letting go at this >>> point is very unfair to other Members. >>> >>> I also have a difficult in payment because the Euro exchange rate is >>> very high. Does it interest someone? >>> >>> -- >>> Stary Bezpiecznik >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> >>> members-discuss mailing list >>> members-discuss at ripe.net >>> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss >>> Unsubscribe: >https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/piotr%40karwos.hk >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> members-discuss mailing list >> members-discuss at ripe.net >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss >> Unsubscribe: >https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/greysticky%40gmail.com > > > >-- >Sergey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/attachments/20220323/c7fc8df3/attachment.html>
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