[members-discuss] Legal compliance doubts

I would feel very bad other way to discriminate any Group of members.
I think the actual situation is pure patethic.

I think we should proceed with voting with all LIR, but think about questions first.

Do we have some table with stats - how many there are LIR per country in ripe domain ?

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W dniu 23 mar 2022, 12:25, o 12:25, użytkownik Serg Galat <greysticky at gmail.com> napisał:
 >Dear Piotr,
>
>RIPE as a community can solve this by voting on two positions:
>
>1. Should RIPE NCC allow russian LIRs to postpone their payments?
>2. Should RIPE NCC allow ukrainian LIRs to postpone their payments?
>
>Ukrainian and russian LIRs shall not vote in this poll.
>Let the community to decide.
>
>On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 12:43 PM Piotr Karwowski <piotr at karwos.hk>
>wrote:
>>
>> Do not forget that eventually voting might be disrupted.
>> I do not know exact numbers of RIPE members per country, but I think
>Russia might have quite high numbers of them.
>> Then we can have situation just like in United Nations, when Russia
>can simply make a veto.
>>
>> And now we clearly see - UN Was established after WW2 to not repeat
>history and attentuate all eventual conflicts  at its first stages.
>>
>> Veto way make UN completly useless organization now.
>>
>> Any way to check how many members we have in RIPE per country ,
>>
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>> W dniu 21 mar 2022, o 12:51, użytkownik Stary Bezpiek
><stary.bezpiecznik at gmail.com> napisał:
>>>
>>> W dniu 19.03.2022 o 06:59, Taras Heichenko pisze:
>>>
>>>>  Peace.
>>>>
>>>>  I am glad to see that RIPE NCC is legally clean. There are
>questions about humanism but of course this is not a cope of work of
>RIPE NCC.
>>>
>>>
>>> In my opinion - it is not.
>>> RIPE NCC claims to operate in accordance with its own policies, that
>are
>>> created by the community.
>>>
>>> Meanwhile, we have a selective treatment of Members in terms of
>payments
>>> without:
>>> a) RIPE NCC resolutions
>>> b) without annexes to contracts with users.
>>> c) policy change
>>> Neither the Agreement nor the existing policies allow for
>discretionary
>>> behavior like "this user may not pay, and others must" without
>formal
>>> authorization.
>>>
>>> Of course Ukraine as an attacked country can and must be treated
>with
>>> any aid, including exemption from payments, when possible. But it
>has to
>>> be passed by a resolution of the RIPE NCC ordinance. The resolution
>may
>>> contain one sentence: "We do not issue invoices to Ukrainian members
>>> until the end of the war." Vote: who is in favor? All? The End.
>>>
>>> On the other end is Russia, as a country that has been subject to
>>> sanctions. It should not be of our interest, that they cannot pay.
>In
>>> result, recognizing that Russia users may not pay, because they have
>>> "banking difficulties" means, that no one from Russia will pay.
>Without
>>> any consequences. Although they probably can pay. Letting go at this
>>> point is very unfair to other Members.
>>>
>>> I also have a difficult in payment because the Euro exchange rate is
>>> very high. Does it interest someone?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Stary Bezpiecznik
>>>
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>Sergey
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