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Alexey S. Berezhnev alex at mac3.ru
Sat Mar 5 22:44:21 CET 2022
First of all, I kindly ask not to consider me as a war supporter, nor 
Putin's supporter. That's funny

Second, as I have mentioned earlier my uncle who is 80 lives in Kiev, 
and not able to move into the shelter during attacks. So this is my 
personal problem as well.

Third. As I have mentioned before, and this is my main thesis: There is 
no reason to dissolve horizontal links between network specialists from 
CIS or ex-USSR (you name it).

NB I am not going to ignore allegations made on my behalf, and stupid 
attempts from known IPs to unsubscribe me from mailing lists, which is 
some looney is trying to perform on me, and some other people. Take your 
pills to ease the symptoms of exacerbation.



On 05.03.2022 21:54, Mikael mk. Krantz wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> In what way is Russia doing a good thing ? Even if they are totally 
> brainwashed they cannot be that stupid they believe whats sent on tv 
> 100% and why support them in the situation going on now? Sounds just 
> stupid.
>
> Sorry to say it Putin should have his head shot off.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mikael
>
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> *Till:* alex <alex at mac3.ru>
> *Kopia:* members-discuss <members-discuss at ripe.net>
> *Ämne:* Re: [members-discuss] Reply: Re: Reply: Re: A request to 
> terminate ENOG
>
> Alex I would instead support Russia because many or to precise better, 
> no one understand really what happening.
>
> I stand with Russia. It's my personal opinion.
>
> Thanks Russia.
>
> Il 5 mar 2022 13:01, alex <alex at mac3.ru> ha scritto:
>
>     It is funny to watch how some sponsoring LIR members, who receive
>     money from Russian companies display hate against Russia. Feeling
>     comfortable sitting on two chairs, eh?
>
>     *Alexey Berezhnev* CEO
>
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>     alex at mac3.ru
>
>     	
>
>     oh those sweet dreams…….
>
>
>         Суббота, 5 марта 2022, 12:44 +03:00 от Mikael mk. Krantz
>         <mikael at noackgroup.se>:
>
>         I would like to see the shutdown of internet to Russia.
>         Shutdown of all LIR's connected to Russia and I would like all
>         the ip-resources taken back from Russia.
>         There is no point letting them use the resources that Europe
>         gives them. Let them fall into a isolated country without any
>         access to resources from the rest of the world.
>         Let them freeze let them have no money. Let them have no
>         access or ability to travel to any nice warm country.
>
>         Just shut them down.
>
>         Regards
>         mikael krantz
>
>         -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
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>         Ämne: [members-discuss] Reply: Re: A request to terminate ENOG
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>         > When I read these stories about democracy, voting, etc.
>         nonsense, I
>         > cant't believe my eyes.
>         >
>         > The soap bubble burst. The world from 02/24/2022 is definitely
>         > different. Wake up. Sober up. Don't drink vodka, don't smoke
>         grass.
>         > Take off your pink glasses. They shoot civilians people
>         their houses,
>         > cluster bombs kill children.
>         >
>         > And you're fu*king about democracy and neutrality.
>         >
>         > If the world fails to stop the aggressors, let their own
>         people disarm
>         > them. Go to work!
>         >
>         > --
>         > Stary Bezpiek
>         >
>         > Слава Україні!
>         > русский корабль иди нахуй!
>         >
>         > W dniu 05.03.2022 <tel:05.03.2022> o 09:03, George Porter
>         via members-discuss pisze:
>         > >
>         > > The fact is that Russia has attacked a sovereign country . The
>         > > Russian army is  killing, yes KILLING ordinary people, so RIPE
>         > > standup and be counted and do what is needed to make
>         Russia feel
>         > > isolated. Close all ties with Russia.
>         > >
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>         > > *From:*members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net
>         </compose?To=members%2ddiscuss%2dbounces at ripe.net>> *On Behalf
>         > > Of *C A
>         > > *Sent:* 04 March 2022 20:42
>         > > *To:* NOC <noc at medsigroup.ru </compose?To=noc at medsigroup.ru>>
>         > > *Cc:* ENOG <enog at ripe.net </compose?To=enog at ripe.net>>;
>         discuss at enog.org; Members Discuss
>         > > <members-discuss at ripe.net
>         </compose?To=members%2ddiscuss at ripe.net>>; RIPE Programme
>         Committee <pc at ripe.net </compose?To=pc at ripe.net>>;
>         > > support at voks.ua; ENOG Programme Committee <pc at enog.org
>         </compose?To=pc at enog.org>>;
>         > > exec-board at ripe.net </compose?To=exec%2dboard at ripe.net>
>         > > *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG
>         > >
>         > > Why is this political nonsense polluting my inbox?
>         > >
>         > > The chair stepped down. Organise a new chair.
>         > >
>         > > If the community doesnt exist it will die on it's own
>         through lack
>         > > of participation.
>         > >
>         > > Stop with the cancel culture shenanigains.
>         > >
>         > > On Fri, 4 Mar 2022, 21:37 NOC, <noc at medsigroup.ru
>         </compose?To=noc at medsigroup.ru>> wrote:
>         > >
>         > >     Спасибо, что поправили.
>         > >     ?
>         > >
>         > >
>         > >     С уважением,
>         > >     Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич
>         > >
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>         > >
>         > >     -----Original Message-----
>         > >     From: ripe at voks.ua </compose?To=ripe at voks.ua>
>         [mailto:ripe at voks.ua]
>         > >     Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 11:30 PM
>         > >     To: NOC <noc at medsigroup.ru
>         </compose?To=noc at medsigroup.ru>>
>         > >     Cc: Denys Fedoryshchenko <nuclearcat at nuclearcat.com
>         </compose?To=nuclearcat at nuclearcat.com>>;
>         > > exec-board at ripe.net; ENOG <enog at ripe.net
>         </compose?To=enog at ripe.net>>; discuss at enog.org;
>         > >     Members Discuss <members-discuss at ripe.net
>         </compose?To=members%2ddiscuss at ripe.net>>; RIPE Programme
>         > >     Committee <pc at ripe.net </compose?To=pc at ripe.net>>;
>         ENOG Programme Committee <pc at enog.org </compose?To=pc at enog.org>>
>         > >     Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG
>         > >
>         > >     Если это вопрос - в конце должен стоять вопросительный
>         знак, не
>         > >     так ли?
>         > >
>         > >     --
>         > > www.voks.ua <http://www.voks.ua> <http://www.voks.ua>
>         > >
>         > >     On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 08:27:22PM +0000, NOC wrote
>         > >     > Добрый вечер!
>         > >     > А мы тут политику обсуждаем или насущные технические
>         вопросы!
>         > >     >
>         > >     >
>         > >     > С уважением,
>         > >     > Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич
>         > >     >
>         > >     > Руководитель проектов
>         > >     > Департамента развития инфраструктуры
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>         > >     > www.medsi.ru <http://www.medsi.ru> <http://www.medsi.ru>
>         > >     >
>         > >     > -----Original Message-----
>         > >     > From: members-discuss
>         > >[mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net] On
>         > >     > Behalf Of Denys Fedoryshchenko
>         > >     > Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 10:07 PM
>         > >     > To: exec-board at ripe.net; ENOG <enog at ripe.net
>         </compose?To=enog at ripe.net>>;
>         > >discuss at enog.org;
>         > >     > Members Discuss <members-discuss at ripe.net
>         </compose?To=members%2ddiscuss at ripe.net>>; RIPE Programme
>         > >     Committee
>         > >     > <pc at ripe.net </compose?To=pc at ripe.net>>; ENOG
>         Programme Committee <pc at enog.org </compose?To=pc at enog.org>>
>         > >     > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to
>         terminate ENOG
>         > >     >
>         > >     > If there are doubts about the viability of the
>         existence of
>         > >     ENOG, there are proper, democratic voting procedures.
>         > >     > When individuals try to decide the fate of a large
>         community,
>         > >     reinforcing the importance of their decision with
>         their official
>         > >     position or/and personal circumstances, this is not
>         right at all.
>         > >     >
>         > >     > Considering that many of the people are in a difficult
>         > >emotional
>         > >     state and a state of great stress, which interfere
>         with their
>         > >     ability making proper decisions, i propose to vote on this
>         > >matter
>         > >     in the fall.
>         > >     > I hope by this time the events will have settled down.
>         > >     >
>         > >     > Peace for all, NO TO WAR.
>         > >     >
>         > >     >
>         > >     > On 2022-03-04 00:43, Töma Gavrichenkov wrote:
>         > >     > > Peace,
>         > >     > > (which is my usual greeting message, always was,
>         and will
>         > >ever
>         > >     be, —
>         > >     > > because the only thing I've always valued the most
>         is peace)
>         > >     > >
>         > >     > > As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian
>         Network
>         > >     Operators
>         > >     > > Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect,
>         request that
>         > >     the RIPE
>         > >     > > Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel
>         all the
>         > >     potential
>         > >     > > future meetings indefinitely.
>         > >     > >
>         > >     > > Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the
>         decision of the
>         > >RIPE
>         > >     > > Executive Board, and it was assumed to be
>         incorporating
>         > >     Ukrainian,
>         > >     > > Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and
>         many other
>         > >     > > regional communities in the hope of building a
>         better shared
>         > >     > > Internet space among the communities.
>         > >     > >
>         > >     > > In view of the recent events (if not even the
>         prior events),
>         > >the
>         > >     > > said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and
>         in no way
>         > >it
>         > >     could
>         > >     > > be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a
>         > >programme
>         > >     for
>         > >     > > all the distinct and divided communities colloqually
>         > >     recognized as
>         > >     > > ENOG at the time.
>         > >     > >
>         > >     > > Technically, under normal circumstances, a request
>         like this
>         > >     > > should've gone through a voting process in the PC;
>         however,
>         > >we
>         > >     > > currently have several PC members under ongoing
>         _missile
>         > >     attacks_,
>         > >     > > and I therefore don't believe it is sane to
>         arrange any vote
>         > >     in the PC.
>         > >     > >
>         > >     > > Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian
>         citizen, I
>         > >don't
>         > >     > > believe I should assume there's a consensus in the
>         entire
>         > >RIPE
>         > >     > > Service Region to still invest trust in me,
>         without further
>         > >due
>         > >     > > diligence, to hold any official community position
>         in the
>         > >RIPE
>         > >     > > community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC
>         Chair.
>         > >     > >
>         > >     > > It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC
>         Executive Board
>         > >to
>         > >     decide
>         > >     > > on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC
>         Executive Board
>         > >to
>         > >     act.
>         > >     > > It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to
>         > >consider any
>         > >     > > future alignments to replace ENOG.
>         > >     > >
>         > >     > > Stay safe.
>         > >     > >
>         > >     > > --
>         > >     > > Töma
>         > >     > >
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