[members-discuss] Reply: Re: A request to terminate ENOG

I would like to stipuate that using obscene lexics is unacceptable under any circumstances. 
> When I read these stories about democracy, voting, etc. nonsense, I 
> cant't believe my eyes.
>
> The soap bubble burst. The world from 02/24/2022 is definitely 
> different. Wake up. Sober up. Don't drink vodka, don't smoke grass. Take 
> off your pink glasses. They shoot civilians people their houses, cluster 
> bombs kill children.
>
> And you're fu*king about democracy and neutrality.
>
> If the world fails to stop the aggressors, let their own people disarm 
> them. Go to work!
>
> -- 
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>
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> русский корабль иди нахуй!
>
> W dniu 05.03.2022 o 09:03, George Porter via members-discuss pisze:
> >
> > The fact is that Russia has attacked a sovereign country . The Russian 
> > army is  killing, yes KILLING ordinary people, so RIPE standup and be 
> > counted and do what is needed to make Russia feel isolated. Close all 
> > ties with Russia.
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> > *From:*members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> *On Behalf 
> > Of *C A
> > *Sent:* 04 March 2022 20:42
> > *To:* NOC <noc at medsigroup.ru>
> > *Cc:* ENOG <enog at ripe.net>; discuss at enog.org; Members Discuss 
> > <members-discuss at ripe.net>; RIPE Programme Committee <pc at ripe.net>; 
> > support at voks.ua; ENOG Programme Committee <pc at enog.org>; 
> > exec-board at ripe.net
> > *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG
> >
> > Why is this political nonsense polluting my inbox?
> >
> > The chair stepped down. Organise a new chair.
> >
> > If the community doesnt exist it will die on it's own through lack of 
> > participation.
> >
> > Stop with the cancel culture shenanigains.
> >
> > On Fri, 4 Mar 2022, 21:37 NOC, <noc at medsigroup.ru> wrote:
> >
> >     Спасибо, что поправили.
> >     ?
> >
> >
> >     С уважением,
> >     Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич
> >
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> >     -----Original Message-----
> >     From: ripe at voks.ua [mailto:ripe at voks.ua]
> >     Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 11:30 PM
> >     To: NOC <noc at medsigroup.ru>
> >     Cc: Denys Fedoryshchenko <nuclearcat at nuclearcat.com>;
> >     exec-board at ripe.net; ENOG <enog at ripe.net>; discuss at enog.org;
> >     Members Discuss <members-discuss at ripe.net>; RIPE Programme
> >     Committee <pc at ripe.net>; ENOG Programme Committee <pc at enog.org>
> >     Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG
> >
> >     Если это вопрос - в конце должен стоять вопросительный знак, не
> >     так ли?
> >
> >     --
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> >
> >     On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 08:27:22PM +0000, NOC wrote
> >     > Добрый вечер!
> >     > А мы тут политику обсуждаем или насущные технические вопросы!
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > С уважением,
> >     > Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич
> >     >
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> >     > -----Original Message-----
> >     > From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net] On
> >     > Behalf Of Denys Fedoryshchenko
> >     > Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 10:07 PM
> >     > To: exec-board at ripe.net; ENOG <enog at ripe.net>; discuss at enog.org;
> >     > Members Discuss <members-discuss at ripe.net>; RIPE Programme
> >     Committee
> >     > <pc at ripe.net>; ENOG Programme Committee <pc at enog.org>
> >     > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG
> >     >
> >     > If there are doubts about the viability of the existence of
> >     ENOG, there are proper, democratic voting procedures.
> >     > When individuals try to decide the fate of a large community,
> >     reinforcing the importance of their decision with their official
> >     position or/and personal circumstances, this is not right at all.
> >     >
> >     > Considering that many of the people are in a difficult emotional
> >     state and a state of great stress, which interfere with their
> >     ability making proper decisions, i propose to vote on this matter
> >     in the fall.
> >     > I hope by this time the events will have settled down.
> >     >
> >     > Peace for all, NO TO WAR.
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > On 2022-03-04 00:43, Töma Gavrichenkov wrote:
> >     > > Peace,
> >     > > (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever
> >     be, —
> >     > > because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace)
> >     > >
> >     > > As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network
> >     Operators
> >     > > Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that
> >     the RIPE
> >     > > Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the
> >     potential
> >     > > future meetings indefinitely.
> >     > >
> >     > > Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE
> >     > > Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating
> >     Ukrainian,
> >     > > Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other
> >     > > regional communities in the hope of building a better shared
> >     > > Internet space among the communities.
> >     > >
> >     > > In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the
> >     > > said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it
> >     could
> >     > > be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme
> >     for
> >     > > all the distinct and divided communities colloqually
> >     recognized as
> >     > > ENOG at the time.
> >     > >
> >     > > Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this
> >     > > should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we
> >     > > currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile
> >     attacks_,
> >     > > and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote
> >     in the PC.
> >     > >
> >     > > Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't
> >     > > believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE
> >     > > Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further due
> >     > > diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE
> >     > > community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair.
> >     > >
> >     > > It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to
> >     decide
> >     > > on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to
> >     act.
> >     > > It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any
> >     > > future alignments to replace ENOG.
> >     > >
> >     > > Stay safe.
> >     > >
> >     > > --
> >     > > Töma
> >     > >
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