[members-discuss] Placing Members-Discuss in Moderation

Thu May 7 17:33:21 CEST 2020

I would like to know the same as I also received a direct solicitation 
that is unwanted.

Daniel~

On 5/7/20 4:33 AM, Sam Gaw wrote:
> Sadly, moderation appears to have simply moved the problem with an 
> election candidate taking to mining RipeDB and spamming contacts directly.
>
> Can anyone advise what the procedure for reporting DB abuse is?
>
>
> ---
> Regards,
> Sam Gaw
>
>
> On Wed, 6 May 2020 at 16:55, Dmitry P <head at global-data-networks.com 
> <mailto:head at global-data-networks.com>> wrote:
>
>     I agree with Chris.
>
>     Imposing moderation globally would affect freedom of expression,
>     resulting into censorship based on opinion of moderators, which also
>     could be misleading, because nothing is fully protected from the risks
>     related to human factor.
>
>     The discussion should be open. A possibility of ignoring some
>     determined
>     email by one member should be enough to deal with unwanted content,
>     however, I believe this is already implemented by most email clients.
>     One could simply add an email to their ignore filter list and this is
>     enough in the most cases.
>
>     On 5/4/20 8:06 AM, Chris Izzard wrote:
>     > Dear Piotr,
>     >               Reading this it sounds great at first but whatever
>     you do to stop such huge email chains will always look like
>     censorship whatever you like to call it. Such email lists do
>     depend on the behaviour of everyone to follow a code but in
>     practice this is usually not 100% possible.
>     > Yes it seemed that the email list was mostly in favour of
>     censoring one person but the reality is that the vast majority
>     just watched on and said nothing. In practice censoring damages
>     the democratic credentials of this group because a small number of
>     people have made the decision to do this and an even smaller
>     number of people will police it.
>     > This action has put the Executive Board in a dangerous position
>     open to all kinds of criticism and the email chain contained some
>     pretty bad claims like Anti-Semitism.
>     >
>     > To make things much more simple and leave the censorship to the
>     individual we could learn from Facebook.
>     > If a post is made in Facebook and you do not want to keep
>     getting posts the individual can turn off notifications without
>     stopping the discussion for the rest of the people i.e. The vast
>     majority. Remember there are hundreds of people who just observed
>     and did not make a comment but may be interested in both sides of
>     the discussion. To do this before an election is not a good idea
>     at all, remember Russian interference in the US and UK elections
>     claims? It has not gone away.
>     > This simple process would mean that for 99% of issues discussed
>     the small censoring committee would not be needed except for
>     personal abuse and offensive language.
>     > It also means that people do not have to unsubscribe to the list
>     permanently just for the email chain.
>     >
>     > Thanks for your time.
>     >
>     > Regards
>     >
>     > Chris Izzard
>     > Director of Commercial Operations
>     > IMC Island Ehf
>     > Skipholt 50b
>     > 105 Reykjavik
>     > Iceland
>     > PLMN Code: ISLVW
>     > Mob:  +44 7968 602 280
>     > Mob: +354 389013 343
>     > Skype:  chris.izzard
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > -----Original Message-----
>     > From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net
>     <mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net>> On Behalf Of Piotr
>     Strzyzewski
>     > Sent: Friday, May 1, 2020 16:48
>     > To: members-discuss at ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net>
>     > Subject: [members-discuss] Placing Members-Discuss in Moderation
>     >
>     > Dear members,
>     >
>     > Today, the Executive Board held a formal meeting in order to
>     officially resolve the appointment of Hans Petter Holen as
>     Managing Director of the RIPE NCC.
>     >
>     > In light of recent activity on the members-discuss mailing list,
>     we also resolved to place the members-discuss mailing list in
>     moderation until 1 June. This follows numerous complaints that
>     have been made about mails that are off-topic and/or contain
>     material that does not show tolerance or respect for fellow
>     members of the list.
>     >
>     > The resolution and accompanying text is contained in the draft
>     minutes:
>     >
>     https://www.ripe.net/about-us/executive-board/minutes/2020/minutes-134th-executive-board-meeting
>     >
>     > With this resolution, the principles of the RIPE Mailing
>     List/RIPE Forum Code of Conduct will be applied to the
>     members-discuss list. Emails that do not meet the requirements of
>     that code of conduct will not be approved to be posted to the list.
>     >
>     > Mails that do not meet the intended purpose of providing members
>     with a means to discuss membership issues among themselves will
>     also not be approved to be posted to the list.
>     >
>     > The moderators of the list will be the Executive Board Secretary
>     and one senior member of RIPE NCC staff. Mails will be moderated
>     during office hours. A separate archive of all mails including
>     those rejected by the moderators is available for all members to
>     view should they wish to do  so:
>     > https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss-unmoderated/
>     >
>     > The Board is obviously aware that there is an election taking
>     place at the General Meeting and there are also matters of
>     importance to discuss such as the RIPE NCC Financial Report 2019
>     and the RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2021. We are determined to ensure
>     that we remain neutral in facilitating this membership discussion
>     list, and we also hope that members will abide by the purpose of
>     the list and the principles of the code of conduct.
>     >
>     > Regards,
>     >
>     > Piotr Strzyżewski
>     > RIPE NCC Executive Board Secretary
>     >
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