[members-discuss] Feedback Requested: RIPE NCC Broker List

On 1/16/20 08:31, Mike Burns wrote:
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> Shutting down the list is punishing those who did not engage in this behavior.
exactly
> I don't get the argument that because some people might infer something that isn't there (RIPE's support for listed brokers), the answer is to shut down all the information presented on the list. In particular the length of time on the list is a valuable data point to our clients.

Why not just add on the page with the list some *BOLD* text clarifying 
that RIPE NCC does not endorse any of the brokers listed.

> We get business leads from our presence on the list, it has a benefit for us.
> Our clients who have found us via the list have benefitted from the list.
> At least from my perspective, these are real benefits, but where is the evidence that people are actually interpreting the list as RIPE's researched, vetted, and sanctioned brokers and having that lead to a problem? Has anybody actually experienced this?

In our 8 years of activity probably more than half of our customers have 
done business with us because they have found us on ARIN/APNIC/RIPE NCC 
lists. Removing that list will only cause more confusion to all the 
members. Also, no list will mean nobody will contact us that way any 
longer and we will have to do what everyone else is doing then.

Actually, we have had several customers that have requested us to be on 
the list in order to even consider doing business with us.

> The RIPE broker agreement requires brokers to do certain things, like adhere to policy, refrain from representing themselves as RIPE, not go bankrupt, not to engage in un-booked transfers, to indemnify RIPE for certain claims related to transfers, and to provide correct information. I would add a section that prohibits unsolicited commercial emailing from listed brokers. That is the only action required to address this particular problem, no reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

I second that. Let's add the section that prohibits unsolicited 
commercial e-mailing and have everyone on the list of brokers sign an 
addendum.

I also agree that the list should be cleaned at least yearly and 
everyone there should confirm to the RIPE NCC that they are still a 
broker of Internet Resources.

I do not agree with a reviews system. It can be

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