[members-discuss] Technical solution to resolve the IPv4 Exhaustion problem and to add more 4, 294, 967, 296 IPv4 addresses that are needed in the world
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Lennart Seitz
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Sun Apr 26 12:06:19 CEST 2020
People dont need IPv4 - people need address space, and there IS a next-gen protocol. Your idea is just a little late, lets say by 20 years :) Regards. Am 26.04.2020 um 11:58 schrieb Elad Cohen: > Stuart, > > I don't have any trouble convincing you, the people that responded are > not reflecting the opinion of the vast majority of internet companies > and internet organizations - which needs IPv4. > > Each and every person that I wasn't able to convince as you wrote is > an active deployer of IPv6 and earns his money from deploying IPv6. > > Respectfully, > Elad > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Stuart Willet (primary) <stu at safehosts.co.uk> > *Sent:* Sunday, April 26, 2020 12:46 PM > *To:* Elad Cohen <elad at netstyle.io>; Sander Steffann > <sander at steffann.nl>; Gert Döring <gert at space.net> > *Cc:* members-discuss at ripe.net <members-discuss at ripe.net> > *Subject:* RE: [members-discuss] Technical solution to resolve the > IPv4 Exhaustion problem and to add more 4, 294, 967, 296 IPv4 > addresses that are needed in the world > > > Respectfully Elad, you are pushing your idea without considering the > consequences. > > There is no operation against you, we are just trying to point out the > flaws in your idea. > > Just consider this, you are currently speaking with the group that > will inevitably be the ones to roll out your idea. If you are having > this much trouble convincing us this is a good idea, how would the > rest of the world hold up? > > > > You keep saying this will work with existing IPv4 but it simply won’t > will it. > > I have a home internet connection provided by BT. They give me an IPv4 > and an IPv6 address. > > Traffic preferences IPv6 where it can. > > > > How would IPv4+ be added in this scenario? Simple, a firmware update > would need to be made on my router. And every router for every other > BT customer. > Same will apply for VirginMedia et-al. > > You keep saying it won’t be needed unless there is NAT, but most home > routers use NAT. > > Please explain to me how you think Microsoft are going to spend > millions on your upgrade for zero benefit to them? > Please explain how ISP’s will recall and replace millions of set top > boxes and modems? > Please explain how upgrades are going to be done on end of life > switches and routers? > > Please explain how every DNS server on the planet will be upgraded > seamlessly? > > > > Seriously, if you are having this hard a time winning us over, you > don’t stand a chance. > > > > Best, > > > > Stuart Willet. > > > > *From:*members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net] *On > Behalf Of *Elad Cohen > *Sent:* 26 April 2020 10:37 > *To:* Sander Steffann <sander at steffann.nl>; Gert Döring <gert at space.net> > *Cc:* members-discuss at ripe.net > *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] Technical solution to resolve the > IPv4 Exhaustion problem and to add more 4, 294, 967, 296 IPv4 > addresses that are needed in the world > > > > Hello Everyone, > > > > What being done here is a cyber influence operation against me, after > I'm only trying to do good to the community. > > > > Sander, you didn't mention any flaws, can you please write them here > and I will answer each and every one of them ? > > > > First there was the IPv6 fans and now there are the Spamhaus fans. > > > > Respectfully, > > Elad > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:*members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net > <mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net>> on behalf of Sander > Steffann <sander at steffann.nl <mailto:sander at steffann.nl>> > *Sent:* Sunday, April 26, 2020 12:28 PM > *To:* Gert Döring <gert at space.net <mailto:gert at space.net>> > *Cc:* members-discuss at ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net> > <members-discuss at ripe.net <mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net>> > *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] Technical solution to resolve the > IPv4 Exhaustion problem and to add more 4, 294, 967, 296 IPv4 > addresses that are needed in the world > > > > Hi, > > > On Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 10:51:13AM +0200, Bruno Cordioli wrote: > >> I think it is appropriate to close this discussion here. > >> Elad will eventually submit his proposed al RIPE meeting or he'll > write a > >> RFC. > > > > Basically, this. > > Seconded > > > [...] > > > > Overall, as long as no implementations can be provided (source code on > > github etc) this sounds like a somewhat cheap shot to make people > believe > > you're going to solve their IPv4 problems if they just vote you to the > > NCC executive board. And I hope the NCC members are smart enough to not > > vote based on glorious promises, but on track record, provable > background, > > etc. > > I have contacted Elad off-list and shown him many fallacies in his > design. He insisted implementation and deployment of IPv4+ was easy. I > told him he is delusional and that I emailed him off-list as not to > shame him publicly, and all he said was: > > > Go ahead, shame me publicly and you will receive the exact same > answers, you are obviously have interests regarding IPv6 and you are > trying to avoid from the world more IPv4 addresses just for your own > personal profit. > > > > You are obviously have illegal interests in Ripe and this is the > only reasons for your emails to me. > > There is no talking sense into this person. He is oblivious to how the > internet works and how hardware and software upgrades are implemented > and deployed. Obviously pointing out his flaws means I have an illegal > interest somehow. > > I think Elad has already tried following Trump's recent advice and we > are seeing the consequences… > > Time to move on… > Sander > > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss at ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/mail%40lseitz.de -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Lennart Seitz PGP-Schlüssel: 0x00165284eb3f775d (https://pgp.lseitz.de/key.asc) -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/attachments/20200426/12fa3454/attachment.html>
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