[members-discuss] BLACK FRIDAY IPv4 transfer

I would just like to say that I very much share Filip's view on this.
- Cynthia

On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 5:00 PM Filip Hruska <fhr at fhrnet.eu> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> the problem is that it's currently cheaper and easier to rent IPv4 space
> from a 3rd party, than to sign up for LIR membership and MAYBE get some
> space through the waiting list system.
>
> Going price for a /24 seems to be around 60 EUR a month, which equates
> to around 720 EUR a year.
>
> The RIPE sign up fee and yearly maintenance is much much higher; a small
> hosting company that's just starting out might not be able to afford it.
> I was in this exact spot just over a year ago.
>
> Kind Regards,
> Filip
>
>
> On 11/29/19 15:26, Bernd Naumann wrote:
> > Petru,
> >
> > Maybe you start first with reading the updates, ok?
> >
> > Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 14:49:52 +0200
> > Subject: [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Member Update October 2019
> >
> > where you can find the following
> >
> > > https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/ipv4/how-waiting-list-works
> > > Who Can Join the Waiting List?
> > >
> > > In order to submit an IPv4 request, the following criteria apply:
> > >
> > >    You must have completed the process to become a RIPE NCC member
> > (LIR)
> > >    The LIR requesting addresses must not have received an IPv4
> > allocation from the RIPE NCC previously (including via the waiting list)
> > >    The allocation must be used to make assignments
> > >    The address space must be used on a network with at least one
> > active element in the RIPE NCC service region
> >
> >
> > > The LIR requesting addresses must not have received an IPv4
> > allocation from the RIPE NCC previously (including via the waiting list)
> >
> > Which clearly applies for NEW "startups", or any other org which has
> > no ASN and IPv4 right now but plans to do so. Yet uncool that a bunch
> > of people do speculation with exhausted/exhausting resources and do
> > not free up space.
> >
> >
> > I have a hard time following the thoughts of these evangelist of greed.
> >
> > So at least the process is formalized, but I agree that "we" have to
> > wait and see if that even works out.
> >
> > Please, stay calm and civilized.
> >
> > Bernd
> >
> >
> > On 29.11.19 14:23, Petru Bunea wrote:
> >> Perhaps you could enlighten all of us how a company that will be a
> >> startup next year (for example) and needs BGP and IPv4 would be able
> >> to work if they are not even able to buy IPs from the grey market?
> >> Did you even think before hitting the send button ? Really now ...
> >>
> >>> On 29 Nov 2019, at 14:57, Lutz Donnerhacke
> >>> <L.Donnerhacke at iks-service.de> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I believe RIPE NCC can disprove your claim by listing IPv4 resources
> >>> which were given back by (still existing) LIRs in the past.
> >>> And yes, I also support forcing takeback of resources by RIPE (i.e.
> >>> by revoking rPKI certs) if they are sold to a different party.
> >
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