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Cynthia Revström
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Fri Nov 29 19:00:57 CET 2019
I would just like to say that I very much share Filip's view on this. - Cynthia On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 5:00 PM Filip Hruska <fhr at fhrnet.eu> wrote: > Hi, > > the problem is that it's currently cheaper and easier to rent IPv4 space > from a 3rd party, than to sign up for LIR membership and MAYBE get some > space through the waiting list system. > > Going price for a /24 seems to be around 60 EUR a month, which equates > to around 720 EUR a year. > > The RIPE sign up fee and yearly maintenance is much much higher; a small > hosting company that's just starting out might not be able to afford it. > I was in this exact spot just over a year ago. > > Kind Regards, > Filip > > > On 11/29/19 15:26, Bernd Naumann wrote: > > Petru, > > > > Maybe you start first with reading the updates, ok? > > > > Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 14:49:52 +0200 > > Subject: [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Member Update October 2019 > > > > where you can find the following > > > > > https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/ipv4/how-waiting-list-works > > > Who Can Join the Waiting List? > > > > > > In order to submit an IPv4 request, the following criteria apply: > > > > > > You must have completed the process to become a RIPE NCC member > > (LIR) > > > The LIR requesting addresses must not have received an IPv4 > > allocation from the RIPE NCC previously (including via the waiting list) > > > The allocation must be used to make assignments > > > The address space must be used on a network with at least one > > active element in the RIPE NCC service region > > > > > > > The LIR requesting addresses must not have received an IPv4 > > allocation from the RIPE NCC previously (including via the waiting list) > > > > Which clearly applies for NEW "startups", or any other org which has > > no ASN and IPv4 right now but plans to do so. Yet uncool that a bunch > > of people do speculation with exhausted/exhausting resources and do > > not free up space. > > > > > > I have a hard time following the thoughts of these evangelist of greed. > > > > So at least the process is formalized, but I agree that "we" have to > > wait and see if that even works out. > > > > Please, stay calm and civilized. > > > > Bernd > > > > > > On 29.11.19 14:23, Petru Bunea wrote: > >> Perhaps you could enlighten all of us how a company that will be a > >> startup next year (for example) and needs BGP and IPv4 would be able > >> to work if they are not even able to buy IPs from the grey market? > >> Did you even think before hitting the send button ? Really now ... > >> > >>> On 29 Nov 2019, at 14:57, Lutz Donnerhacke > >>> <L.Donnerhacke at iks-service.de> wrote: > >>> > >>> I believe RIPE NCC can disprove your claim by listing IPv4 resources > >>> which were given back by (still existing) LIRs in the past. > >>> And yes, I also support forcing takeback of resources by RIPE (i.e. > >>> by revoking rPKI certs) if they are sold to a different party. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > members-discuss mailing list > > members-discuss at ripe.net > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > > Unsubscribe: > > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/fhr-ripediscuss%40fhrnet.eu > > > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss at ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/me%40cynthia.re > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/members-discuss/attachments/20191129/3839cd67/attachment.html>
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