[members-discuss] BLACK FRIDAY IPv4 transfer

> On 29 Nov 2019, at 14:26, Petru Bunea <suport at bunea.eu> wrote:
> 
> Perhaps you could enlighten all of us how a company that will be a startup next year (for example) and needs BGP and IPv4 would be able to work if they are not even able to buy IPs from the grey market? Did you even think before hitting the send button ? Really now ...

There is a term for this: anti-trust legislation.


This thread was completely predictable, in one form or another, and I do not think any drastic moderation changes are necessary (yet). Process of mourning/denial/rejection/disbelief etc takes its time. 

From ::/0 to ::1 , have a good weekend.

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>> On 29 Nov 2019, at 14:57, Lutz Donnerhacke <L.Donnerhacke at iks-service.de> wrote:
>> 
>> I believe RIPE NCC can disprove your claim by listing IPv4 resources which were given back by (still existing) LIRs in the past.
>> And yes, I also support forcing takeback of resources by RIPE (i.e. by revoking rPKI certs) if they are sold to a different party.
>>  
>> Von: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> Im Auftrag von NOC
>> Gesendet: Freitag, 29. November 2019 13:50
>> An: members-discuss at ripe.net
>> Betreff: Re: [members-discuss] BLACK FRIDAY IPv4 transfer
>>  
>> Hello,
>> 
>> At the past it was the main idea, that if you don`t use IP`s you return them back to RIPE.
>> But, in such case, NOBODY return IP`s back. 
>> Everyone thinks "we can use them later" OR "what we will do if we need IP`s later and we already returned them".
>> Especially now, when no IP`s avail anymore. Who will return ? Ofc NOBODY.
>> 
>> I think that it`s the MAIN REASON why RIPE permit selling when IPv4 is over.
>> Bc now, at least somehow, organizations, who need IP`s can receive them. It's better than nothing.
>> 
>> I DON`T tell that I`am not agree with you. I AGREE with you, bc I also don`t like situation with selling.
>> But I just can understand RIPE`s  decision.
>> 
>> Think about it.
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> С наилучшими пожеланиями :: With best regards,
>> Дмитрий Николаев :: Dmitry Nikolaev
>>  
>> On 29.11.2019 14:35, noc wrote:
>> It's been a while that I am reading the messages and not answering. 
>> But in my opinion, this deserves to be answered. 
>>  
>> Almost all brokers/operators here try to sell something that they don't own.
>>  
>> You guys should put something on your heads: the ips don't belong to you. They are NOT yours!
>> The IPs belong to RIPE and RIPE assign you a range for you to use.
>>  
>> The RIPE transfer was never meant to be used to make profit. It was created to transfer ips between LIRs that need IPs and LIRs that don't need IPs.
>>  
>> I have seen a lot of "we sell ips from RIPE, ARIN, etc...". You don't sell them. You can't sell something that don't belong to you. Don't you?
>>  
>> This topic seriously needs to be handled by RIPE. 
>> In my opinion, the IP ranges that are on IP transfers should be taken back by RIPE and given to LIRs in need.
>>  
>> Regards 
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Enviado a partir do meu smartphone Samsung Galaxy.
>>  
>>  
>> -------- Mensagem original --------
>> De : Stuart Willet <stu at safehosts.co.uk>
>> Data: 29/11/19 12:05 (GMT+01:00) 
>> Para: Kseniya Sokol <ksyu at netassist.ua>, members-discuss at ripe.net
>> Assunto: Re: [members-discuss] BLACK FRIDAY IPv4 transfer 
>>  
>> Are you seriously trying to sell IPv4 space via the members discuss mailing list, which is being used to discuss the underhand tactics of people just like you?
>> 
>> I think it's time I pulled out of the mailing list.All I have seen is decent people raise decent points only to be shot down and taken over by Spamy IPv4 brokers.
>> 
>> Congratulations once more RIPE for not being able to organise a proverbial drink up in a brewery.
>> 
>> /me left
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net] On Behalf Of Kseniya Sokol
>> Sent: 29 November 2019 10:28
>> To: members-discuss at ripe.net
>> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] BLACK FRIDAY IPv4 transfer
>> 
>> Hi
>> So here it becomes the same market, and the same propositions as you start to condemned in discussion
>>   "RIPE DB T&C violation by brokers"
>> We also do have a lot of IP addresses and price is not to high.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> 29.11.2019 12:05, Hassan Dirsanji пишет:
>> > Hi guys,
>> > 
>> > An IPv4 block /19 with is a PI allocation available for immediate transfer.
>> > Please let me know if you are interested in.
>> > 
>> > Regards,
>> > 
>> > 
>> > On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 13:11 Pablo Serrano <info at pabloserrano.net 
>> > <mailto:info at pabloserrano.net>> wrote:
>> > 
>> >     50$ per ip and free hugs it's a good BF!
>> > 
>> >     Nikolay Gorstkin wrote on 2019-11-29 10:32:
>> >      > :))
>> >      > Yeah!! This morning I heard a price of $ 40 / per address :)
>> >      > Anti-BF !
>> >      >
>> >      >
>> >      >> 29 нояб. 2019 г., в 12:27, Bunea Petru <suport at bunea.eu
>> >     <mailto:suport at bunea.eu>> написал(а):
>> >      >>
>> >      >> I think we can tell for sure this is a reverse Black Friday.
>> >     Maybe a first in BF history.
>> >      >>
>> >      >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >      >>
>> >      >>> On 29 Nov 2019, at 11:24, Sergey Myasoedov <kaa at net-art.cz
>> >     <mailto:kaa at net-art.cz>> wrote:
>> >      >>>
>> >      >>> 
>> >      >>> I was waiting for such message here, in m-d list!
>> >      >>>
>> >      >>>
>> >      >>>> On 29 Nov 2019, at 09:42, José Manuel Giner <jm at ginernet.com
>> >     <mailto:jm at ginernet.com>> wrote:
>> >      >>>>
>> >      >>>> Hello,
>> >      >>>>
>> >      >>>> we're interested to buy (full-transfer) a /22,
>> >      >>>>
>> >      >>>> If anybody is interested to sell us with a special price,
>> >     please contact me with the proposal details.
>> >      >>>>
>> >      >>>> Thanks.
>> >      >>>>
>> >      >>>>
>> >      >>>> --
>> >      >>>> José Manuel Giner
>> >      >>>> https://ginernet.com
>> >      >>>>
>> >      >>>>
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