[members-discuss] New Charging Scheme

Fri Jan 18 13:33:39 CET 2019

We are talking about the new rule, but not current.

пт, 18 янв. 2019 г., 15:24 Varasdy Imre Csaba csvarasdy at ms.hu:

> Aleksey,
> if i'm right, the rule is, every member can ask for his last /22
> allocation.
> So If you need more /22, than you have two options:
> 1) buy from the market
> 2) register a new LIR, ask for the /22 (and maybe merge your accounts
> later)
> On 2019. 01. 18. 13:15, Aleksey Bulgakov wrote:
>
> Hi.
>
> RIPE can say that each /22 must be registered in additional account. Don't
> you know our dear RIPE, do you?)))
>
> пт, 18 янв. 2019 г., 14:40 Azer Karyagdy azer at karyagdy.com:
>
>> Hello Ivaylo,
>>
>> You miss important point from RIPE. RIPE do not sell anything. RIPE is
>> non profit organisation based on membership. Each member charged only for
>> membership and nothing more. Therefore membership fee have not any relation
>> with number of resources hold by each member. Therefore, before talking
>> about charge schemes we need change this base terms. I am agreed (as i
>> believe and many other LIR's) that current situation seems to be unfair and
>> it is not stimulate big actor to free up unused ipv4 ip's. It is usual
>> practice in the world that who taken more resources pay for more. IPV4 is
>> resources and they has own cost on free market. We cannot ignore this.
>> Perhaps we need some explanation from RIPE to get more details why RIPE
>> cannot use this way? May be some legal issue existing?
>>
>> Best Regards
>> Azer
>>
>> ----- Исходное сообщение -----
>> >
>> > Hello, Gert
>> >
>> > Yes, you are right the maths do not allow. In future it is sure we
>> > will
>> > have to migrate to IPV6 because IPV4 cant cover the needs.
>> >
>> > BUT....
>> >
>> > To can migration happen we all (LIRs) must be pushed in almost same
>> > time.
>> > This will not happen if one LIR strugling with resources need, and
>> > other
>> > have bunch of unused such. Even the fee per year for single IPV4 to
>> > become
>> > 1000 EURO it will put presure on some LIRs and not to all. We are
>> > going on
>> > that way now. And it only opens the door for some people to make easy
>> > money from us fast.
>> >
>> > Also the charging scheme must be FAIR for all members. I cant see
>> > other
>> > way than to be calculate on consumed resources.
>> >
>> >
>> > Such charging scheme that we are talking about was never been in the
>> > past.
>> > Before 2014, I think, The charging scheme was based on categories
>> > with
>> > complicated calculation of assignments from previous and current year
>> > and
>> > something like this.
>> >
>> > Now I am talking about such scheme:
>> >
>> > LIR-1 have 1 x /24 annual membership fee:
>> > 350 EURO
>> >
>> > LIR-2 have 4 x /24 annual membership fee:
>> > 350 EURO + (4-1) * 10 EURO =  380 EURO
>> >
>> > LIR-3 have 64 x /24 annual membership fee:
>> > 350 EURO + (64-1) * 10 EURO = 990 EURO
>> >
>> > LIR-4 have 1024 x /24 annual membership fee:
>> > 350 EURO + (1024-1) * 10 EURO = 10580 EURO
>> >
>> > Also changing in rules:
>> > LIR cant sell give on lease or transfer to other LIR resources. If
>> > you
>> > need resources ask RIPE NCC, to lower your fee and have unused
>> > resources
>> > return to RIPE NCC.
>> >
>> >
>> > Ivaylo Josifov
>> > Varteh LTD
>> > Varna Bulgaria
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, 18 Jan 2019, Gert Doering wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hi,
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 08:33:34PM +0100, Thomas Gallo - Nice Blue
>> > > srl wrote:
>> > >> this sound a very nice approach that could clearly put all on the
>> > >> same
>> > >> plane: you can spend as you need ipv4 or you can return them if
>> > >> you
>> > >> don't use it...
>> > >
>> > > The maths do not permit "spend as you need IPv4".  The big telcos
>> > > with
>> > > tens of millions of users and the cloud providers provably *need*
>> > > all IPv4
>> > > there is.  We've been at this point before, like, 15 years ago...
>> > >
>> > > Gert Doering
>> > >        -- NetMaster
>> > > --
>> > > have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?
>> > >
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