[members-discuss] R: Feedback Requested: RIPE NCC Broker List

I bump this, but we also need to maintain the LIR-to-LIR transferring affordable and simple as is now, and we need to find a good method to recognize the LIRs (ISPs for example or big companies that need to be a LIR) and the broker (that buy and sell IPv4 for business and does not contribute to the internet grow) that canno't be listed as a LIR or everyone that need a LIR-to-LIR transfer will be listed as broker. In short we need to find a way to permit the LIR transfer and recognize the brokers, and 
prevent brokers from registering as a LIR 


Alessandro Bondesan

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Da: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net] Per conto di ivaylo
Inviato: giovedì 19 dicembre 2019 18:55
A: members-discuss at ripe.net
Oggetto: Re: [members-discuss] Feedback Requested: RIPE NCC Broker List


Hello,

Let me summarize if I understand right this disscusion...

There are two sides, on one side there are network operators who need IPV4 
addresses to keep the normal work of global network (Internet) from other 
side there are RIPE who spread these IPV4 addresses to operators and care 
that spreading to be fair for all (At all RIPE _MUST_ operate equal to all 
it members). So far so good, and There come thirtd side who get these IPV4 
resources from RIPE but do not know what to do with them. The third side 
refuses to return these IPV4 to RIPE, but want to "sell" them to others 
who need these resources to keep global network operation. Meanwhile the 
second side who _MUST_ care for equal right between operators and _MUST_ 
care global network to operate right, do nothing than to help the 
parasitic third side operate and making life and bussines of the 
first side harder.

Am I the only one who sees the things like this, and feeling everything 
is wrong and not fair ?

Seems like the things will not change in right direction, and the third 
side (the parasitic one) will not return back these IPV4 resources to 
RIPE. The first side will keep starving for IPV4 resources, and will 
prefer to "buy" them from "certificied" broker. The second side RIPE will 
do nothing more than to "certificied" a broker on list on official RIPE 
page.

So to become RIPE member there are fee , why not to those brokers to have 
also fee ?

So I offer:

1. To keep IPV4 broker list on RIPE site.
2. To get listed and become broker of IPV4 one time singup fee of 4000 EURO.
3. For every /24 listed from broker for "sale" 300 EURO yearly fee.
4. If one block (/24 or more) is listed for "sale" and not sold in one 
year RIPE automaticaly to withdraw in the RIPE free addresses pool 
from broker.
5. One time listed block (/24 or more) to can _NOT_ be listed only again 
nor withdraw from the list untill it is sold or point 4 become.


Ivaylo Josifov







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