[members-discuss] Regarding RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2020 - Two Options to Vote On
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Teotonio Ricardo
teotonio.ricardo at webtuga.pt
Thu Apr 18 21:56:47 CEST 2019
Hey Alexandru, Don't worry! If the Option B gets approved, i'm more than happy to pay those fees for your if you don't want to retain the 233 blocks! :) Now seriously... this example only proves that Option B isn't the best "volume based billing" option. On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 8:31 PM Alexandru Doszlop < alexandru.doszlop at netprotect.ro> wrote: > Hello all, > > > I just checked Alexis's spreadsheet. > > If I'm sorting it by IPv4 block numbers I'm the 5th biggest with 233 > blocks. (81408 IPs) !!! > > With Option B I will pay at least 13000 euro. > > The biggest LIR, de.telekom, will pay a little over 2700 euro for > 28.972.032 IP addresses. > > I just don't understand the reasoning behind the "volume" here. > > In earlier discussions from the last 2 years here on members-discuss, the > RIPE representatives kept telling us that the annual fee is a member fee > and not a price for the resources used. > > Now, I see a 180 degrees shift in their reasoning. > > They are telling us that this Option B is the more fairest because it > takes into account the number of allocations because this is somehow > representing the resources used by a LIR. But why not take into account all > types of objects from the database? > > Contact persons, route objects, domains, roles, organizations and many > more ... > > > Regards, > > Alex > > P.S. I'm so angry at RIPE right now! > > > > On 18.04.2019 11:37, Alexis Hanicotte wrote: > > I agree, this vote does not make sense to me. > It seems to me that the board does not want a volume-based pricing, and so > suggests an option that few will vote for. Then they can say "you see, > people do not want volume-based pricing"... > > > An issue with most suggested "Option C" schemes is that final income will > be too high. > Here is a spreadsheet to help do the math and see the impact on each LIR. > > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1oVAQ7ADW3UY17GPUgJl2T8AhMwHaDiuCb8a9fY6bark/edit?usp=sharing > (feel free to make a copy and do you own math) > > For instance, if we estimate RIPE needed budget to 32M€, > and decide to charge half via flat fee, half via number of IPs, > that gives 740€ + 2.7cents / IPv4 address or IPv6/32 prefix. > (see tab n°2 of spreadsheet) > > > > > Alexis Hanicotte > VelumWare SAS > > > On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 10:23 AM Michal Prokeš <michal.prokes at hdata.cz> > wrote: > >> Dear colleagues, >> >> there are many users discussing about per ipv4 payments for a long time. >> I does not have to be most wanted option, but I believe, it is most >> discussed option last years. >> >> So if we decide to make voting about charging scheme, it should include >> the most discussed option. We will see if it win or not. Voting without >> this option is misleading. Organizations with huge allocations love actual >> schema (optiona A) and small organizations with symbolic alocation of /22 >> are definitely not going to vote for option B (very simplified it means: >> the less you have to buy on expensive ipv4 market the less you have to pay >> RIPE annualy). >> >> Please >> >> * Add option C (per-ipv4 fee) to choices >> >> or >> >> * Cancel this voting. >> >> >> Results of voting with announced options will be very misleading. >> >> Thanks, >> >> M. Prokeš >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Gwen van Berne <gvanberne at ripe.net> <gvanberne at ripe.net> >> Date: Apr 17, 2019 18:08 >> Subject: [ncc-announce] [GM] RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2020 - Two Options >> to Vote On >> To: ncc-announce at ripe.net >> Cc: >> >> Dear colleagues, >> >> Members will vote on the RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2020 at the General >> Meeting from 22-24 May. In response to requests from members, the >> Executive Board is proposing two charging scheme options that the >> members can choose from at the GM. >> >> An overview of the two options is also available that explains the two >> models in more detail. The overview and the two charging schemes are >> available at: >> >> https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2019/supporting-documents >> >> In short, the options that members will choose between are: >> >> Option A: The RIPE NCC will maintain the existing charging scheme, >> according to which members pay an annual fee of EUR 1,400 plus an extra >> EUR 50 per independent number resource assignment. >> >> Option B: The RIPE NCC will switch to a new volume-based, per >> registration charging scheme. This would involve lowering the annual fee >> to EUR 1,150 whilst broadening the applicability of the separate EUR 50 >> charge to all number registrations held by the member. See the full list >> of registrations that would be charged in the document. >> >> The existing sign-up fee of EUR 2,000 will apply to both options. >> >> We encourage members to discuss the options on the Member Discuss >> mailing list at <members-discuss at ripe.net> <members-discuss at ripe.net>. >> The Executive Board and the >> RIPE NCC Management will follow discussions closely ahead of the GM. >> >> If you have not yet registered for the GM, we strongly encourage you to >> do so and make sure you have your say on which of two distinct charging >> scheme options should be adopted in May. Full participation and voting >> options are available for all members. You can register now via the LIR >> Portal at: >> https://www.ripe.net/s/gm-registration-may-2019 >> >> All details on the GM, including the draft agenda, are available from: >> https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2019/ >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Gwen van Berne >> Chief Financial Officer >> RIPE NCC >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> members-discuss mailing listmembers-discuss at ripe.nethttps://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/michal.prokes%40hdata.cz >> >> -- >> Michal Prokeš, Internetová síť wosa.cz >> >> H-data, spol. s r.o., Václavská 4, 603 00 Brno >> Infolinka: +420 534 001 200 Email: info at wosa.cz >> >> _______________________________________________ >> members-discuss mailing list >> members-discuss at ripe.net >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss >> Unsubscribe: >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/alexis%40velumware.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing listmembers-discuss at ripe.nethttps://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/alexandru.doszlop%40netprotect.ro > > _______________________________________________ > members-discuss mailing list > members-discuss at ripe.net > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/teotonio.ricardo%40webtuga.pt > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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