[members-discuss] Regarding RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2020 - Two Options to Vote On
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Sebastian Malek
malek at malek.li
Wed Apr 17 20:19:36 CEST 2019
Hi. Charging for *any* resource, especially ASNs, is just plain stupid. It's not like it costs anything to take care of the resources. Personally I'm in favour of option A, perhaps lower it by 100-200€/yr for first 1-2 years for startups and such. Regards, Sebastian On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 7:55 PM Nico Schottelius <info at ungleich.ch> wrote: > > Hello, > > I think the point that is most "wrong" in this charging scheme is that > IPv6 resources are treated the same as IPv4. This is a) not in relation > to scarcity and b) does not give any motivation for IPv6 deployements. > > I suggest that either any IPv6 resource is for free or that "up to" some > amount of IPv6 resources it stays free and even after that the increase > should be lower than IPv4. > > That said, I agree with Alex that if the objective is to support smaller > ISPs, it should be charged on volume, not number. > > My counter proposal to B would be > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > - Same base fee as option B > - All IPv6 resources are free > - Charge x per 256 IPv4 addresses > - Charge y per ASN, after the 5th ASN > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > The key x would have to be determined by RIPE and could be derived from > the current allocations such that the new membership fee sum = the > current sum. > > For the key y I don't have a good estimate at the moment, but 50 Euro/y > does not sound unreasonable. Also most LIRs will never exceed the > included number of ASNs. > > Best, > > Nico > > > Alexandru Doszlop <alexandru.doszlop at netprotect.ro> writes: > > > Hello, > > > > I just read the email regarding the charging scheme for 2020 option B. > > Are you kidding me? > > Are you really naming it "volume based billing"? > > > > Let's say one isp has only one /12 ipv4 PA. It will pay 1150 euro + 50 > euro. > > The other LIR that wants to help small companies and has 50 /24 > assignments, will pay 1150 + 50*50=3650 euro. > > All new lirs that receive smaller than /22 assignments will pay more > than than the big isp. > > Where is the volume here? > > > > Unbelievable... > > > > Regards, > > Alex > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Gwen van Berne <gvanberne at ripe.net> > > Date: Apr 17, 2019 18:08 > > Subject: [ncc-announce] [GM] RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2020 - Two Options > to Vote On > > To: ncc-announce at ripe.net > > Cc: > > > > Dear colleagues, > > > > Members will vote on the RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2020 at the General > > Meeting from 22-24 May. In response to requests from members, the > > Executive Board is proposing two charging scheme options that the > > members can choose from at the GM. > > > > An overview of the two options is also available that explains the two > > models in more detail. The overview and the two charging schemes are > > available at: > > > https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2019/supporting-documents > > > > In short, the options that members will choose between are: > > > > Option A: The RIPE NCC will maintain the existing charging scheme, > > according to which members pay an annual fee of EUR 1,400 plus an extra > > EUR 50 per independent number resource assignment. > > > > Option B: The RIPE NCC will switch to a new volume-based, per > > registration charging scheme. This would involve lowering the annual fee > > to EUR 1,150 whilst broadening the applicability of the separate EUR 50 > > charge to all number registrations held by the member. See the full list > > of registrations that would be charged in the document. > > > > The existing sign-up fee of EUR 2,000 will apply to both options. > > > > We encourage members to discuss the options on the Member Discuss > > mailing list at <members-discuss at ripe.net>. The Executive Board and the > > RIPE NCC Management will follow discussions closely ahead of the GM. > > > > If you have not yet registered for the GM, we strongly encourage you to > > do so and make sure you have your say on which of two distinct charging > > scheme options should be adopted in May. Full participation and voting > > options are available for all members. You can register now via the LIR > > Portal at: > > https://www.ripe.net/s/gm-registration-may-2019 > > > > All details on the GM, including the draft agenda, are available from: > > https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/gm/meetings/may-2019/ > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Gwen van Berne > > Chief Financial Officer > > RIPE NCC > > > -- > Your Swiss, Open Source and IPv6 Virtual Machine. 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