[members-discuss] Multiple LIR account mergers

Hello,
RIPE cannot in all cases discover, if some IP space is unused. Unrouted
IP prefix doesn't mean it's unused. And there're valid technical
reasons, why someone may need uniquie IP address (=assinged from RIR),
but not having it routed globally.

With more IP allocated (old scheme) we'll out-of IPv4 addresses more
quickly. And "dry" RIPE will block *all* newcomers, not only growing ones.

Changing IPv4 allocation policies is topic for APWG, anyway - it's
offtopic here.

With regards,
Daniel

On 05/02/2018 10:46 AM, Adrian Bolster wrote:
> The current rules are a good middle ground, however, as a relatively new
> ISP we can only access one /22 per LIR. Newer entities, such as us, do
> not have legacy IPv4 space which immediately inhibits growth and
> competition in the ISP marketplace.
> 
>  
> 
> A fairer policy would be to allocate for a LIR’s justifiable needs,
> taking into account their current allocations; but for RIPE to retain an
> override on these allocations. By monitoring for any unused space it
> would be possible to remove any unused to be recycled.
> 
>  
> 
> Also, governments and larger organisations are sat on huge IPv4 real
> estate that is not in use. This is another area that needs exploring.
> 
>  
> 
> After all, IPv6 isn’t ubiquitous yet, so something constructive has to
> be done.
> 
>  
> 
> *From:*members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> *On Behalf Of
> *William
> *Sent:* 01 May 2018 18:15
> *To:* Thomas Gallo - Nice Blue srl <thomas at niceblue.it>
> *Cc:* members-discuss at ripe.net
> *Subject:* Re: [members-discuss] Multiple LIR account mergers
> 
>  
> 
> As someone that would profit from this i am absolutely against it.
> 
>  
> 
> RIPE exists for specific reasons - selling out IPs is not one of them,
> and the legacy market as well as inter-RIR transfers cover the business
> needs at this time.
> 
>  
> 
> The current merger rules are a good middle way.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> --
> 
> William Weber
> 
> Consulting, Security & Management - Tel-Aviv, Israel / Rijeka, Croatia
> 
>  
> 
> https://ip6.im <https://ip6.im/> - No RIPE LIR? Still read this email
> for some reason? Grab a /40 *free* IPv6 space for BGP usage. Or just get
> it anyway, can't hurt to have.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 13:17, Thomas Gallo - Nice Blue srl
> <thomas at niceblue.it <mailto:thomas at niceblue.it>> wrote:
> 
>     YES! Probably this would be possible...
>     ...just setting the RIPE  sign-up fee of 4600 EUR that includes the
>     first two years of membership in a non refoundable way   ( :
> 
> 
>     Thomas
> 
>     Il 01/05/2018 10:45, Dmitry Vorozhtsov ha scritto:
> 
>         I think it would be great!
> 
>          
> 
>         Best regards, Dmitry Vorozhtsov.
> 
>          
> 
>         2018-04-30 22:07 GMT+09:00 Aleksey Bulgakov
>         <aleksbulgakov at gmail.com <mailto:aleksbulgakov at gmail.com>>:
> 
>             Hello, all.
> 
>              
> 
>             What do you think if the NCC allow to merge accounts of the
>             same company without 24 months restriction? 
> 
>              
> 
>             I thing this question should be discussed on the RIPE
>             meeting in Marseille.
> 
>              
> 
>             -----
> 
>             Kind regards,
> 
>             Alexey
> 
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