[members-discuss] RIPE forces us to pay the bill unfairly

Dear Olena,

stop looking for sympathy here, you get none.

As you have written, you have 5 LIRs. It means that you probably have five times more IPv4 space that you deserved. As you might know, these addresses are reserved for late comers so they get at least some portion of the IPv4 space. Every thing else is just a tolerated abuse. Only unfair thing about this whole thing is that it is still tolerated (in the name of accurate database). So it is only fair that you had to pay for such "abuse" of (post-) last /8 space. These rules are there precisely because of that.

None of us late comers has got enough IPv4 space, but at least some of us are trying to play by the book. So please stop lamenting that you had to pay if you don't.

Sincerely,
Martin Hunek

Dne pondělí 9. července 2018 20:03:15 CEST, olena.dmytrenko at bignet.ua napsal(a):
> Dear all,
> Our LIR has signed agreement in April of the 2018 year.
> How can we pay the invoice on the service which wasn't given to us. How can you pay for the service which was earlier than the agreement?
> 
> --
> Olena Dmytrenko
> 
> 
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>  From:   Adi Vaizovic <adi.vaizovic at telinea.com> 
>  To:   Mohamed Bubtaina <mohamed at bubtaina.com>, "olena.dmytrenko at bignet.ua" <olena.dmytrenko at bignet.ua> 
>  Cc:   "members-discuss at ripe.net" <members-discuss at ripe.net> 
>  Sent:   7/9/2018 2:51 PM 
>  Subject:   Re: [members-discuss] RIPE forces us to pay the bill unfairly 
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>  
> Ripe, has fair and clear procedures. 
> 
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> Read before say something. 
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> Regards, 
> 
>  
> Adi 
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> From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> on behalf of Mohamed Bubtaina <mohamed at bubtaina.com>
>  Sent: Monday, July 9, 2018 3:46:07 PM
>  To: olena.dmytrenko at bignet.ua
>  Cc: members-discuss at ripe.net
>  Subject: Re: [members-discuss] RIPE forces us to pay the bill unfairly 
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> Hello,
>  
>  It’s fair, as you see it’s divided into 2 parts, the membership, and for the yearly LIR payments which are divided into quartets. So you don’t pay for what you haven’t used, or if you decide to leave. I for example pay the LIR bill yearly. It’s less hassle  and remembering the payments due, and if you forget or get busy and don’t notice like it always happens with me as I’m holding the bag alone and walking, (somethings you just can’t trust anyone with, your wife, yourself, your money, and ip’s!) I want to even  ask for resources and I just keep missing that button! So fair? Yeah, in my opinion, it’s easier the whole year (-what you didn’t‘ think use of the time for newcomers)
>  
>  But that’s my opinion, I’m still searching for the wife, finding where my money i, but at least I know me,  fully trust me! And never doubt it no matter. As my ip’s.... well they keep wandering around but get hold of them so at least I know they aren’t used  for any illegal or malicious purpose in anyway by anyone, hard, but not MI!
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>  > On 6 Jul 2018, at 17:53, olena.dmytrenko at bignet.ua wrote:
>  > 
>  > Hello everybody!
>  > We got a problem! 
>  > We want to share it with you to find out your opinion on this matter.
>  > We are transferring our network to other company. The transfer is approved.
>  > As policy prescribed, you have to pay the annual fee. For today these are the third quartal and the forth.
>  > But RIPE forces us to pay the bill for the first quartal, however our LIR was opened later in the second one. ( in APRIL 2018).
>  > We would like to see and discuss the rules, where it is prescribed what to pay in such cases.
>  > Where we can read the regulation that you need to pay an annual fee for the quarters in which Lir did not even exist.
>  > 
>  > Furthermore, we have 5 more LIRs on one company.  Is it fare to be forced to pay all annual invoices on all Lirs, before the transfer one part of the network from 1 LIR?
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>  > --
>  > Olena Dmytrenko
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