[members-discuss] Russian government blocked 18mln IPs at 20/04/2018

Greetings,


On Wed, 25 Apr 2018, Bruno Carvalho wrote:

> 
> Hello everyone.
> 
> I've been reading all your messages regarding this problem since some time now. And i think that this problem shouldn't be handled by RIPE at all.
> Countries blacklist IP addresses and DNS addresses since some time now (because of piracy, political reasons, etc...). So... just because now,
> Russia is blocking a lot of VPN IPs, is a reason for RIPE to step in? No. I don't think so.

I think you are correct -- at least, afaik, it is not part of RIPE NCC's 
mandate from its members.


> You all should keep the 2 things appart from each other. We in 
> Portugal, have since some time now, several torrent websites blocked (IP 
> and DNS)

Really? I was only aware about the DNS redirection, which anyone able to 
use a search engine can easily circumvent...


> and you don't ear us complain about it or ask RIPE to talk to the 
> gouvernment.

Some people have tried to complain to our government about the existing 
MoU's (ISPs, DROs and others) application, but with little or no success.



> I agree that internet should be regulated. But a regulation can be 
> benign to some but malign to others. A balance should be found. Internet 
> would never be free because of this. And it's not the job of RIPE to 
> balance it.

RIPE NCC is not a regulator. The RIPE Community is also not a regulator, 
but can address _technical_ issues in order to achieve improvements, 
even if full solutions are not possible.

RIPE NCC's interface with governments (and LEAs), in my opinion, has a 
good track record.


Regards,
Carlos


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> On 2018-04-25 14:51, Sebastian Wiesinger wrote:
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>       * Juri <hostmaster at ntx.ru> [2018-04-25 14:20]:
>             Hello Max,
>
>                   would you like the world to do exactly your (i.e. Russian citizens) job
>                   and cut your small dictator off?
>                   Why?
>                   It is your country, not our, so do it yourself
> 
>
>             We can't do that by ourselfs only )
>             And, yes, we don't have elections here.
>
>             There some other countries, like Ukraine for example, who copy bad
>             practice of Internet censorship too. That's why Internet companies and
>             ISPs should think about those problem together.
> 
>
>       I hate to say it, but ISPs are bound by the laws of the country
>       they're operating in. If your government doesn't allow free access
>       there is nothing anyone outside of your country can do. Change has to
>       come from within. You are hurt by your governments decision to block
>       access to millions of IPs? Let them know. Let your customers know who
>       is responsible. That is not something we can do for you.
>
>       Also the RIPE NCC already has an outreach program to meet with and
>       inform governments, but a government would have to be willing to meet
>       and be informed.
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>       Regards
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>       Sebastian
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