[members-discuss] Request to update the SSA - Article 2.2, acceptance of documents

+1

And it is also not cheap to send and receive back those DHL document all over the planet. My guess is at least 50euro ish for each application send/receive back, if there are 2k application, we are taking About 100k postage cost a year.

> On Apr 25, 2018, at 01:55, Tom Corney <Tom at portal-comms.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I strongly agree with Eric.
>  
> Email is an accepted method of communication for signed contracts etc in so many different applications.
>  
> Fax and post are outdated. Allow email submission!
> Kind Regards,
> 
> Tom Corney
> 
>  
> From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net] On Behalf Of Erik Bais
> Sent: 24 April 2018 16:41
> To: members-discuss at ripe.net
> Subject: [members-discuss] Request to update the SSA - Article 2.2, acceptance of documents
>  
> Dear  members, 
> 
> I like to open a discussion to have the SSA updated into this century .. to allow for acceptance of the documents to be send in via the RIPE NCC Portal ( with SSO ) or send in by email after being signed, or the RIPE NCC to use a method of digital signature like the usage of DocuSign, Echosign or something similar. 
> 
> The acceptance of a digital signature has been allowed by EU law since December 1999, ( EU Directive 99/93/EG - http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=CELEX:31999L0093  ) and implemented in Dutch law since 2003 (http://wetten.overheid.nl/BWBR0015046/2003-05-21 )
> 
> We are currently in 2018 and the SSA still refers to a device that most of our children never heard of or have seen ..... named a fax machine… 
> 
> <snip>
> 
> https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-673
> 
> Article 2 – General
> 
> 2.1 The RIPE NCC Standard Service Agreement shall come into effect by means of an offer and an acceptance.
> 
> 2.2 To enter into the RIPE NCC Standard Service Agreement, the following documents have to be sent to the RIPE NCC by post or fax:
> 
> ·         One copy of the RIPE NCC Standard Service Agreement containing the handwritten signature of an authorised representative of the Member
> ·         A recent extract from the Commercial Trade Register or equivalent document proving the registration of the Member with the national authorities.
> Upon receipt of these documents by the RIPE NCC, the RIPE NCC Standard Service Agreement is considered to be concluded. The RIPE NCC shall not commence the provision of the RIPE NCC services until these documents have been received. Conclusion of the RIPE NCC Standard Service Agreement establishes a RIPE NCC membership.
> 
> </snip>
> 
> While most of the fax implementations these days, including the one at the RIPE NCC office, is a device that stores an image copy of a document on a server. Not many companies have a paper print fax anymore these days..
> 
> That document from those fax or multi-copier devices can then be printed by the local printer or stored digitally in a database attached to a LIR application as an attachment. Similar as if someone would scan the signed SSA and email the document ..
> 
> However the current wording in the SSA doesn’t allow for that type of scenario .. and it should be updated to a more neutral wording to allow a better usage of technology.
> 
> If we can sign for a mortgage application in The Netherlands using a digital signature, why can’t we apply for a new LIR with a digital signature.
> 
> This will also allow for a much smoother new members to complete their application ..
> 
> Using digital signatures will reduce the fees to DHL, speed up the complete on-boarding process and reduce the handling fees at the RIPE office. 
> 
> <sarcasm>
> 
> For those that like to keep doing things, like we always did ..  The city of Amsterdam is also in the process to dis-allow the usage of horse and carriage in the city.
> 
> So if someone would like to take a ride by horse carriage to the postal office and use their fax machine there .. that is something that you cannot do for a long time anymore as well … https://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/na-bierfiets-is-het-ook-einde-verhaal-voor-paardenkoets-in-centrum-amsterdam~a4580876/  
> 
> </sarcasm>
> 
> And for countries that don’t allow the usage of digital signatures or members that don’t want to use the new digital signature system, there is always the option to request the paper SSA to be send via DHL and have it signed and returned. Similar as we are currently also allowing those options for invoices …
> 
>  
> Kind regards,
> Erik Bais
> 
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