[members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] RIPE NCC Annual Report 2017 and Proposed RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2019

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On 04/13/2018 06:32 AM, Daniel Pearson wrote:
> As my grandfather use to say. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".
>
> I know it makes everyone feel good to have these pointless discussions 
> and if that's what it takes by all means continue on, I do find them 
> entertaining, but please, join reality. End of the day this is 
> business, it costs money. Considering no rate increases and the fact 
> that most years we've had a surplus so who cares if they blow a little 
> money on hookers and coke, it's ok. RIPE provides us a good, reliable 
> service and prompt turn around time on any requests. As someone else 
> has said, try working with other RIRs.
>
> Anyways, carry on.
>
>
> On 04/13/2018 02:03 AM, Huf Oliver, CI-A Rolls-Royce Power Systems AG 
> wrote:
>>
>> William,
>>
>> while I don't feel competent enough to comment on the first part of 
>> your reply, I fully second the last paragraph!
>>
>> Oliver.
>>
>> *Von:* members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net] *Im 
>> Auftrag von *William
>> *Gesendet:* Freitag, 13. April 2018 02:16
>> *An:* Aleksey Bulgakov <aleksbulgakov at gmail.com>
>> *Cc:* members-discuss at ripe.net; agm at ripe.net
>> *Betreff:* Re: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] [GM] RIPE NCC Annual 
>> Report 2017 and Proposed RIPE NCC Charging Scheme 2019
>>
>> Must be some joke (i hope at least).
>>
>> Russia does not have staff needs available unless you pay excessive 
>> (skilled are in fact leaving anyway, we have a bunch of Russians 
>> working from Cyprus nowadays), Russia is not politically stable (a 
>> stable autocracy is not politically stable overall) and the currency 
>> fluctuates between basically worthless and entirely worthless.
>>
>> Government control is excessive, freedom of business is low, growth 
>> is low, legal security is nil.... plus one more round of UN sanctions 
>> could cut off any RIPE member from paying invoices entirely.
>>
>> Russia is in no way suitable for RIPE (and in fact, Bulgaria has less 
>> tax than Russia anyway + a much more simple tax system + EU).
>>
>> In case of no joke... after speaking with some LIRs we'll boycott any 
>> attempts to move the NCC out of the EU and i assume from the statutes 
>> this requires a full member vote which is extremely unlikely to pass 
>> for Russia (or in practice anyone else).
>>
>> --
>>
>> William Weber
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 01:39, Aleksey Bulgakov 
>> <aleksbulgakov at gmail.com <mailto:aleksbulgakov at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     <david.ponzone at ipeva.fr <mailto:david.ponzone at ipeva.fr>>:
>>
>>         AFAIK, social charges paid by the employer in NL are around
>>         28%, so it's less than 3000 euros per month per staff member
>>         of income.
>>
>>         And that's before social charges paid by the employee (18%),
>>         so it's less than 2500€ of net income per staff.
>>
>>         I would not judge if that's high or low in NL, but that's not
>>         4000€
>>
>>     So, we can move the RIPE office to another country, with
>>     less salary numbers. E.g. there are the salary numbers
>>     approximately 1500€ in Russia, including tax 13%. With social tax
>>     30% the salary numbers are 2000€ in Moscow.
>>
>>     What do you think about it? Me and my colleagues, who wrote here
>>     earlier, are ready to help the community with relocation.
>>
>>
>>
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