[members-discuss] Database Abuse

Hello,

Just my opinion, why can’t the LIR be closed listing just the name and RIPE implement a form to contact the relevant contact. be soon easy to see who is abusing it.?

No data shared by third parties that way, unless they go through real pain!

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From: members-discuss <members-discuss-bounces at ripe.net> on behalf of Alex Lobachov <alxl at telenet.lv>
Organization: Telenet
Date: Thursday, 7 September 2017 at 10:23
To: "members-discuss at ripe.net" <members-discuss at ripe.net>
Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Database Abuse

Good day,

I’m all for administrative actions to LIR members (usually guys who are involved in ipv4 transfers) who are found guilty of using the DB with commercial goals.

Closing the LIR might be the appropriate (yet quite aggressive one) action for them.

Comments?


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From: Tim Armstrong<mailto:t.armstrong at nerdalize.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 11:17 AM
To: Vegard Svanberg<mailto:vegard at monsternett.no>
Cc: members-discuss at ripe.net<mailto:members-discuss at ripe.net>
Subject: Re: [members-discuss] Database Abuse

Or if your details are in the list and / or you are a technical contact attached to an LIR then you can see everything.
Only non-technical / non-LIR people can't access it.
Perhaps use passing the RIPE DB Training course as a requirement for access.


On 7 Sep 2017 10:06 am, "Vegard Svanberg" <vegard at monsternett.no<mailto:vegard at monsternett.no>> wrote:
* Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong at nerdalize.com<mailto:t.armstrong at nerdalize.com>> [2017-09-05 10:36]:

> I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing
> structural we can do about this?
> At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB,
> instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC
> website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse /
> complaint contact, not a sales opportunity.

I understand the problem (and get those pitches myself nearly daily). I
have no alternative, simple solutions. I also haven't thought this
through in detail. :-) However, and despite all that: I'd oppose the
idea of hiding/obfuscating emails and centralising/limiting feedback
loops to the NCC website. I'm concerned about the operational
consequences of limiting the opportunity to collect emails and build and
maintain lists of contact points (potentially) important for operations.

And if we remove just emails, we'd probably have to do the same with
phone numbers. They're calling from time to time as well.

Again, I haven't thought this through, but it's the knee-jerk response
anyway. Perhaps naming, shaming and blacklisting the offenders might be
a better way to go. Perhaps verified members could get regular database
dumps (including contact info) from other sources, or authenticate
against the db to get the whole lot. I don't know. I'm not sure the
problem is big enough to warrant any major changes.

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