[members-discuss] Database Abuse

On 07/09/17 09:17, Tim Armstrong wrote:
> Or if your details are in the list and / or you are a technical contact
> attached to an LIR then you can see everything.
> Only non-technical / non-LIR people can't access it.
> Perhaps use passing the RIPE DB Training course as a requirement for access.


Well, that's where you're not thinking globally though.

Not every tech, that has need for the information in the RIPEdb, is 
automatically a RIPE member. They could be operating using other 
provider IPs or a member of ARIN/APNIC/AfriNIC for example.

Kind regards,
Martin List-Petersen
Airwire Ltd.


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> On 7 Sep 2017 10:06 am, "Vegard Svanberg" <vegard at monsternett.no> wrote:
> 
>> * Tim Armstrong <t.armstrong at nerdalize.com> [2017-09-05 10:36]:
>>
>>> I hate to bring this subject up again, but is there really nothing
>>> structural we can do about this?
>>> At a minimum we could occlude e-mail addresses from the public DB,
>>> instead having public complaint submitted via a webform on the NCC
>>> website, requiring the uninitiated to realise this is an abuse /
>>> complaint contact, not a sales opportunity.
>>
>> I understand the problem (and get those pitches myself nearly daily). I
>> have no alternative, simple solutions. I also haven't thought this
>> through in detail. :-) However, and despite all that: I'd oppose the
>> idea of hiding/obfuscating emails and centralising/limiting feedback
>> loops to the NCC website. I'm concerned about the operational
>> consequences of limiting the opportunity to collect emails and build and
>> maintain lists of contact points (potentially) important for operations.
>>
>> And if we remove just emails, we'd probably have to do the same with
>> phone numbers. They're calling from time to time as well.
>>
>> Again, I haven't thought this through, but it's the knee-jerk response
>> anyway. Perhaps naming, shaming and blacklisting the offenders might be
>> a better way to go. Perhaps verified members could get regular database
>> dumps (including contact info) from other sources, or authenticate
>> against the db to get the whole lot. I don't know. I'm not sure the
>> problem is big enough to warrant any major changes.
>>
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