[members-discuss] Executive Board Resolution on Legacy Internet Resource Holders
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Carlos Friacas
cfriacas at fccn.pt
Tue Sep 27 13:56:01 CEST 2016
Hi, On Mon, 26 Sep 2016, Erik Bais - A2B Internet wrote: (...) > If you stop paying your ripe membership fees, you lose your rights that are connected to that LIR ( including the Right of use of the IP space) > Not with Legacy .. as RIPE isn't able to 'reclaim' an asset that isn't theirs ... > > In that regard, I truely don't understand why the RIPE NCC asks legacy > space holders if they want to convert their legacy space to RIPE PA > space ... which has a huge impact for the rights of the legacy space > holders... Precisely!!! In practice it means the holder can lose its own asset(s) in the future. As i read it, this was kind of a compromise to normalize/enable service from the RIPE NCC to legacy resource holders. I was against it (being one of the 2012-07 co-authors...), but my concerns didn't get enough traction. (...) >> I can understand that a legacy space holder can keep the space >> "received" before the existence of the NCC, but not the fact that >> others can acquire that kind of space and pretend to the same >> treatment. > > Yes, they can. And the RIPE NCC is right not to try to step into that > pitfall as they are not a party between the legal holder and the new > legal holder. > Just because the RIPE NCC is in the same business of leasing out IP > space to others, doesn't mean that they can meddle with other parties in > the same region that have a similar status as the RIPE NCC ( legacy > holders being able to Allocate space to other parties) .. even if they > are not called a RIR ... Exactly. But luckly, afaik, most LRHs are not actively pursueing that kind of business....... :-) > And on a last note on the point of the board in regards of stopping the > free lir sign-up for legacy holders ... I think this should be stopped > directly. <period> Yup. +1 (i think i already voiced a +1 on this before) Regards, Carlos Friaças (pt.rccn) > We don't have to sponsor legacy space holders in order to become a > LIR.. if they can't cough up a setup fee after being able to use the > space for free since 1994, they will never be able to pay the membership > fees.. and I'm not buying that sobbing story .. > It will also stop the agreements for small /29 or /28 legacy prefixes > just to get a free /22.. > > Regards, > Erik Bais > >> -- >> Radu-Adrian FEURDEAN >> >> >> >> ---- >> If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss >> mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: >> https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ >> >> Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. > > > ---- > If you don't want to receive emails from the RIPE NCC members-discuss > mailing list, please log in to your LIR Portal account and go to the general page: > https://lirportal.ripe.net/general/ > > Click on "Edit my LIR details", under "Subscribed Mailing Lists". From here, you can add or remove addresses. >
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